The Peopling of Africa

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

No ones saying the two are related. Hell especially not me. IF they did come from East they would have been one of the MANY people on the Nile Valley. Ancient Egyptans themselves weren't monolithic. From what I got from the article is that both AE and Yorubas believe in a one true deity that created the universe but believe in "local gods."

The article explains it better than me. I suggest reading the part on the Ancient Egyptians.

re: Coincidences among various African cultures

The Green Sahara certainly could have been a conduit for cultural similarities. But if so, that happened a very long time ago (before Ancient Kemet). And even then, Yoruba culture is only 2000 years old or so. Which is another reason why I think articles which try to link the Yoruba to Egypt is a big reach.

If Yorubas came from the East, they would have some sort of Nilotic imprint given the Nilotic domination of the Upper Nile occurred a few thousand years before the creation of the first Yoruba peoples.

re: Religion

Many African peoples have the concept of the "Big God" and lower deities.

I'm just tired of seeing noble African peoples saying their ancestors come from Egypt, Persia, Iraq, Israel etc. The evidence point towards the indigenous creation of most of West Africa's peoples.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

For all the African-Americans in this thread. You are a most noble and creative people.

 

[Kitsch]

Just started reading this and already came across some juicy parts.
Stories of Migration and State Formation in Yorubaland: A Re-assessment of Yoruba Myth and Legend of Creation

Anyways the author(who is Yoruba himself) has noted the similarities between Yoruba and ancient Egyptian religious custom, cultural customs, divine leadership, polygamy, rituals, body scarification. Which I was aware of. But what so far really got my interest is when he claims many traditional Yoruba claim Egypt as their original homeland.

This is the first time I'm hearing this but I'm not too well informed on the subject at hand to speak on it. I pretty timely that you tagged me ITT, I've been binge watching Lost Kingdoms of Africa - Wikipedia all day.

 

[Sinnerman]

Will look into this thread tomorrow

 

[Poitier]

And then we have Obatala and Bes.

These are just pygmy gods and I wouldn't necessarily say its a Nile Valley thing.

 

[Poitier]

But if so, that happened a very long time ago

Not really.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Not really.

How so?

 

[Poitier]

How so?

When you consider that modern man is 100k old and gained sense of self shortly after and thus culture, religion, art, etc then I don't think the Green Sahara from 10k-5k is so far back to the point whatever cultures formed there don't permeate the wider indigenous African cultures even today. shyt, I believe that there were certain cultural customs that were full formed before modern man left out of Africa 60-50k years ago and carried over.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

When you consider that modern man is 100k old and gained sense of self shortly after and thus culture, religion, art, etc then I don't think the Green Sahara from 10k-5k is so far back to the point whatever cultures formed there don't permeate the wider indigenous African cultures even today. shyt, I believe that there were certain cultural customs that were full formed before modern man left out of Africa 60-50k years ago and carried over.

That's fair. However, Yoruba culture doesn't really bear the same characteristics of those ancient Saharan cultures. In Nigeria, Hausa/Fulani/Kanuri cultures are closest.

Ancient Saharans

Hausa(?)- Fulani

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

So even IF the Yoruba are somehow descended from Ancient Egyptians - they have changed completely.

Different language family. Different agricultural tool-kit (yam farming instead of wheat/millet/sorghum). Very little or no DNA from Afro-Asiatic cultural homeland.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

These are just pygmy gods and I wouldn't necessarily say its a Nile Valley thing.

Yeah but there gods the Egyptians believed in and even made trips.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

So even IF the Yoruba are somehow descended from Ancient Egyptians - they have changed completely.

Different language family. Different agricultural tool-kit (yam farming instead of wheat/millet/sorghum). Very little or no DNA from Afro-Asiatic cultural homeland.

NO ONES saying they were Egyptians but could have came from the East i.e Sudan. Either way the Egyptians were never homogeneous.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

That's fair. However, Yoruba culture doesn't really bear the same characteristics of those ancient Saharan cultures. In Nigeria, Hausa/Fulani/Kanuri cultures are closest.

Ancient Saharans

Hausa(?)- Fulani

That first pic has been proven to be a fake used by Eurocentrics to prove whites inhabited the Sahara.

And the Saharan culture to begin was NOT repeat NOT homogeneous.

 

[Poitier]

Yeah but there gods the Egyptians believed in and even made trips.

I get that but i think its more so that different african cultures came across the pygmies who had a skilled and artful culture rather than adopting the gods from Egypt.

Heck, i believe the Egyptians learned of the pygmies from the SE populations (yam) where they imported pygmies.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

The Peopling of Southern Africa

Key points

• Agricultural technologies crossed the Zambezi around 2,000 years ago with the 'Khoikhoi' (cattle-keeping Khoisan). Bantu farmer-herders followed soon thereafter, bringing iron with them.
• Bantu were settling in areas suitable to sorghum and millet. Khoisan sought the far south-west with its winter rainfall and arid grazing lands around the Kalahari. San survived in both areas but were marginal.
  
  
  Khoisan pitching camp (note pottery, domesticated dog)
• A lot has been said about the similarities between the Khoikhoi and the San. The Khoikhoi, however, are taller than the San. Largely due to their milk-based diet provided from their cows and less seasonal stress from relying upon their surrounding environment. A similar phenomenon observed among Tutsis in Rwanda and arguably Fulani in West Africa.
• The San have been in South Africa for... 150,000 years or so.
• The Zambezi River Valley is often placed as the origin of the Khoikhoi. Some Khoikhoi may have encountered Bantu groups south of the Limpopo in what is now Eastern South Africa and might've been forced further west because of their technological disadvantage. Their new resting places were the Orange/Vaal river valleys and the region around the Cape of Good Hope.
• It is unknown how the Khoikhoi acquired both cattle and sheep. Perhaps from Bantus or Nilo-Saharans?
• Inevitably, the more populous Khoikhoi caused the San to retreat.

Khoikhoi migration roughly 2,000 years ago

• Two Bantu migrations reached South Africa. Both starting from what is now Lake Malawi, one reached Natal (Eastern South Africa) and another the Northern Transvaal (Vaal River Valley). The former, around 300 CE. The latter, 500 CE. (Thus countering Afrikaner supremacist myths about Bantu arriving in the 1600s)
• The Bantu grew millet, sorghum and cowpeas while keeping sheep and cows as livestock.
• An abundance of land, low soil fertility and rich game allowed for the rapid advancement of the Bantu from Lake Malawi.
• Cattle were central to the economy. Milk, meat and manure came from the animal. Numerical advantage in the form of cattle strengthen various groups of Bantu.