The Peopling of Africa

[Trajan]

It's a wrap folks, a pygmy was brought from Punt. This trumps every other piece of evidence.

TFW baboons, Frankincense and myrrh do not count as evidence but one pygmy does

I haven't read this whole thread but further to your point, the pygmy thing doesn't conclusively proof anything. Somalis could've been middlemen. After all, we were finessing the Romans and Greeks

For centuries, the Indian merchants brought large quantities of cinnamon from Sri Lanka and Indonesia to Somalia and Arabia. This is said to have been the best kept secret of the Somali and Gulf Arab merchants in their trade with the Roman and Greek world. The Romans and Greeks believed the source of cinnamon to have been the Somali peninsula, but in reality, the highly valued product was brought to Somalia by way of Indian ships.

We could've been getting Pygmies from our Eastern neighbours like Uganda and selling them on. Being on the coast meant we were trading with everyone and would've been better placed to have relationships with far off places rather than interior Africans.

As for frankincense and myrrh, check my reppin

 

[Poitier]

What huge fukking reach. I could just as easily say Uganda got frankincense and myrrh from the Horn and traded it to Egypt. I mean the Ugandan Mountains are the source of the Niles water

 

[Karb]

What huge fukking reach. I could just as easily say Uganda got frankincense and myrrh from the Horn and traded it to Egypt. I mean the Ugandan Mountains are the source of the Niles water

Uganda wasn't no major trade center breh.. stop it.

Besides, this is way before the Bantu expansion so my ppls were in those quarters too

 

[Trajan]

What huge fukking reach. I could just as easily say Uganda got frankincense and myrrh from the Horn and traded it to Egypt. I mean the Ugandan Mountains are the source of the Niles water

Lol perhaps but is there any evidence of international trading centers in Uganda?

Also, I'm not well-versed in ancient Egyptian history buy was the Nile navigable all the way to Uganda?

Two things define the Nile for almost 2000 km from Khartoum to Aswan: the cataracts and the great bend. The cataracts are sections where the river tumbles over rocks and have long kept boats from going up and down the river from Equatorial Africa to Egypt.

One of the reasons why large empires never emerged in Africa is the lack of navigable rivers which prevented the spread of trade, language and ideas. Uganda being the source of the nile doesn't mean much because they would not have been able to get there by boat. They would've had to come down the Red Sea and Indian Ocean.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Uganda wasn't no major trade center breh.. stop it.

Besides, this is way before the Bantu expansion so my ppls were in those quarters too

Depends if there were expeditions to Punt around 1000 BCE. I think Bantus had reached the Great Lakes by then

 

[Karb]

I haven't read this whole thread but further to your point, the pygmy thing doesn't conclusively proof anything. Somalis could've been middlemen. After all, we were finessing the Romans and Greeks




We could've been getting Pygmies from our Eastern neighbours like Uganda and selling them on. Being on the coast meant we were trading with everyone and would've been better placed to have relationships with far off places rather than interior Africans.

As for frankincense and myrrh, check my reppin

Indeed breh.


But one small correction: all of this took place way before Somalis had split from the rest of the Cushytic speaking people (I include the habesha in this even though they do not speak cushytic, but their Cushytic ancestors share a common origin with us).

Africa looked very different than it does now. The Bantus hadn't even expanded into East Africa yet.

 

[Poitier]

There is CLEAR culture interaction between Egypt and the Great Lakes that is not seen with the Horn. You have no gods that made it into their culture, no musical instruments, the word for the land you are trying to claim originates from a Bantu word. Just stop. Its ridiculous.

 

[Karb]

Honestly, despite the trolling I like these kinds of discussions. You get to hear new perspectives.

I don't think that these debates will be settled until large excavations are done all over Africa.

It's all speculation at this point, although most of the academic evidence points towards the Horn as the location of Punt. But many Africans do not trust academics due to their history of blatant eurocentrism.

 

[Trajan]

@Poitier how were the AE getting to Uganda since the Nile is not navigable by ship?

 

[Karb]

There is CLEAR culture interaction between Egypt and the Great Lakes that is not seen with the Horn. You have no gods that made it into their culture, no musical instruments, the word for the land you are trying to claim originates from a Bantu word. Just stop. Its ridiculous.

nikka we have the same origin

It's established that costal cities used to trade with AE. Excavations in Hafun (Ancient port city referred to by the Greeks as Opone) and other places have shown that there was substantial trade relations with Egypt.

Even the most basic knowledge of the ancient Indian ocean trade routes would reveal this

 

[Karb]

Uganda is a much longer voyage than the Horn

 

[Poitier]

There is CLEAR culture interaction between Egypt and the Great Lakes that is not seen with the Horn. You have no gods that made it into their culture, no musical instruments, the word for the land you are trying to claim originates from a Bantu word. Just stop. Its ridiculous.

 

[Karb]

Bantu has Jack shyt to do with any of this

They were no where near Uganda at the time of Punt

 

[Karb]

TFW Cushytes (which includes the Beja) had nothing to do with AE, but Bantus did :Mjwtf:


















The only reason that you're promoting this alternative fact is because y'all come from the same linguistic group.

This Niger-Congo supremacy has to stop:Coleworld:

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

@Poitier how were the AE getting to Uganda since the Nile is not navigable by ship?

I believe it is up to at least a certain cataract in Sudan. I think you might be able to take a steamboat to Juba in South Sudan but I'm not sure.