The Penguin - HBO Max The Batman Spinoff

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

OH PLEASE

You're The Coli's QUEEN of STRAW MAN arguments.


You literally ran in here CRYING AGAIN because a comic book show is being talked about in high regard and because it's a threat in terms of discourse/consensus to non comic book shows you like.


^ So why the fukk did your goofy ass even watch the show?


ALL you've done in this thread is CONSTANTLY COMPLAIN like a woman during her cycle



You called the show "lifeless" with "no depth" - fine you're allowed to have that opinion but why are you still then in this thread?

Do you lack basic reading comprehension?

Someone quoted my post, agreeing with what I said. I didn't run back in here on my own accord. I said my piece when it finished and left it at that. I can't stop folks from quoting or tagging me in here, and if I believe it's worthy of replying to, I'll do just that.

Critiquing something isn't complaining. I haven't spammed this thread with bullshyt. I stated my case about it (in a handful of posts). The only complaining around that is coming from the likes of y'all who're getting in their feelings because someone doesn't like it as much as y'all do.

 

[MenacingMonk]

You're a litany of straw man arguments aren't you?

You can't even debunk one critique I had about the series. All you're doing is aimlessly generalizing to get cheap daps. You even had the nerve to bring up Breaking Bad as if that has any relevance to the matter. I don't even think you know what pearl clutching is, because you're using it completely out of context.

The only one here bytching is you. Two posters were having a civil discussion on why they didn't like the show.

Do you think every thread about a film or TV show should be without criticism?

Nobody is coming up in here spamming nonsense about the show, they're critiquing why they feel it's not as good as folks are making it out to be. There's only been three negative posts about it lately, so how could you possibly be over them when they make up such a minute percentage of all the other posts in here?

Son, you’re complaining it’s not “comic book enough.” That’s not criticism, that’s bytching.

You came in here and quoted my post because you felt some kind of way. Hit dogs gonna holler.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Son, you’re complaining it’s not “comic book enough.” That’s not criticism, that’s bytching.

You came in here and quoted my post because you felt some kind of way. Hit dogs gonna holler.

I never stated or insinuated that.

Where the hell did you drag that up from?

And even if I did, that would be criticism. What you're doing is bytching. You're bytching about folks critiquing the show.

 

[MenacingMonk]

I still can't get my head around all the discourse (and not just on this board, but everywhere) that excuses how subpar this show really is. If this had absolutely no connection to any comicbook lore and stood on its own as a mafia show, this shyt would be getting dragged. It pales in comparison to the likes of Sopranos and Gomorrah in every capacity, and they're not even remotely perfect shows.

All these Marvel/DC adaptions have been the worst thing for TV and Film because they've killed everyone's sensibilities around what makes good storytelling. Not only that but they also kill the OG material that it's based off because very rarely do they do it justice.

I never stated or insinuated that.

Where the hell did you drag that up from?

And even if I did, that would be criticism. What you're doing is bytching. You're bytching about folks critiquing the show.

See the bold highlight.

Comic books IP is supposed to be FUN. Not the fukkin Godfather or Breaking Bad with great storytelling. Mu fukka wants Penguin to put on Academy award winning performance.

You out here complaining about CBM and still watching these shyts.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

See the bold highlight.

That's talking about adaptions, in general, and what they've done to the sensibilities of the public.

Nobody would give a fukk about this show if it was called The Deformed Kingpin.

And a good adaption doesn't need stay true to its OG material. It can have it's own voice, by expanding on those characters and/or world into something of its own. My issues with this show have nothing to do with it not being "comic book enough".

 

[MenacingMonk]

That's talking about adaptions, in general, and what they've done to the sensibilities of the public.

Nobody would give a fukk about this show if it was called The Deformed Kingpin.

And a good adaption doesn't need stay true to its OG material. It can have it's own voice, by expanding on those characters and/or world into something of its own. My issues with this show have nothing to do with it not being "comic book enough".

It literally did that by making it a gangster show.

They explored Oz’s backstory and focused on his mom. They made Oz a sociopath instead of some campy joke with gimmick umbrellas and weird bird sounds. They turned Penguin into a threat.

Some of you mu fukkas like to bytch just to bytch.

 

[MenacingMonk]

My mom really liked the show and she don’t give a fukk about comic books like yall do. And I’m a big comic book head too.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It literally did that by making it a gangster show.

And it was a subpar mafia/gangster show.

Which is the point I've been making since the very beginning, which you would've seen if you stopped being hysterical.

My mom really liked the show and she don’t give a fukk about comic books like yall do. And I’m a big comic book head too.

I don't give a fukk about the comics.

Why do you keep trying to force this talking point?

 

[MenacingMonk]

And it was a subpar mafia/gangster show.

Which is the point I've been making since the very beginning, which you would've seen if you stopped being hysterical.

I don't give a fukk about the comics.

Why do you keep trying to force this talking point?

Because you brought it up about not sticking to the comic book “formula.”

This post just shows how much you’re juelzing over this shyt.

“I don’t care about comic books!”

“The shows don’t do comic books justice!”

How would you know about CBM doing the characters justice if you don’t read them?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Because you brought it up about not sticking to the comic book “formula.”

This post just shows how much you’re juelzing over this shyt.

“I don’t care about comic books!”

“The shows don’t do comic books justice!”

I never said anything about sticking to the comic book "formula". You're once again miscontruing my point.

Furthermore, you're cherry-picking one part of my argument and holding onto it for dear life instead of taking it as a whole (most likely because you can't debunk what I've said). I've already reiterated to you it doesn't need to stick to its original material, that he can have a voice of its own. I've already reiterated to you that my issues with the show have nothing to do with it not being "comic book enough".

You're far too emotional to read properly. You made this abundantly clear the moment you cried about three posts critiquing the show as if the sky had fallen.

 

[MenacingMonk]

I never said anything about sticking to the comic book "formula". You're once again miscontruing my point.

Furthermore, you're cherry-picking one part of my argument and holding onto it for dear life instead of taking it as a whole (most likely because you can't debunk what I've said). I've already reiterated to you it doesn't need to stick to its original material, that he can have a voice of its own. I've already reiterated to you that my issues with the show have nothing to do with it not being "comic book enough".

You're far too emotional to read properly. You made this abundantly clear the moment you cried about three posts critiquing the show as if the sky had fallen.

You keep saying it doesn’t have to be like the comic books, but you still dodged your explanation for this:

Not only that but they also kill the OG material that it's based off because very rarely do they do it justice.

What is this supposed to mean besides not sticking to the source material? You’re basically saying it needs to be just like the comic books to be “justified”.

I don’t give a fukk about what you think about the writing. I’m just talking about this. You keep juelzing over shyt. You don’t even fukk with comic books yet comic book fans are praising this show. Irony.

You didn’t like it. Ok. The end.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You keep saying it doesn’t have to be like the comic books, but you still dodged your explanation for this:



What is this supposed to mean besides not sticking to the source material? You’re basically saying it needs to be just like the comic books.

I've already outlined and reiterated this to you.

I'm talking about the mass production of comic book to TV/Film that has been going on over the last 20 years (I've even touched on this earlier in the thread), where it's become oversaturated to the point where the films and shows themselves are less about the merits of the storytelling of what makes the comic books what they are, and more about them being fun little set pieces that folks can wax lyrical about all because they're based on a comic book.

And no, that doesn't mean they have to be like the comic books, literally.

Just like Blade Runner is based on the novel of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Despite the fact it's vastly different, it still does the source material justice. Just like The Shining is considerably different to the novel of its namesake, it's still recognized as one of the best horror films ever made.

If you remove all the comic book lore from an adaption, it should still be able to stand on its own, which this show doesn't do. It falls into an unrecognizable, bland mess.

I don’t give a fukk about what you think about the writing. I’m just talking about this

Of course, you don't, because you'd rather debate minutiae instead of the actual argument. It's what folks do when they don't have an argument, themselves.

You didn’t like it. Ok. The end. Don’t try to force your opinion on the rest of the world because they enjoyed it.

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone.

Someone quoted my post from weeks ago, agreeing with what I said and I replied to them. Then you and that other cat got in your feelings about it.

 

[MenacingMonk]

I've already outlined and reiterated this to you.

I'm talking about the mass production of comic book to TV/Film that has been going on over the last 20 years (I've even touched on this earlier in the thread), where it's become oversaturated to the point where the films and shows themselves are less about the merits of the storytelling of what makes the comic books what they are, and more about them being fun little set pieces that folks can wax lyrical about all because they're based on a comic book.

And no, that doesn't mean they have to be like the comic books, literally.

Just like Blade Runner is based on the novel of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Despite the fact it's vastly different, it still does the source material justice. Just like The Shining is considerably different to the novel of its namesake, it's still recognized as one of the best horror films ever made.

If you remove all the comic book lore from an adaption, it should still be able to stand on its own, which this show doesn't do. It falls into an unrecognizable, bland mess.

Of course, you don't, because you'd rather debate minutiae instead of the actual argument. It's what folks do when they don't have an argument, themselves.

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone.

Someone quoted my post from weeks ago, agreeing with what I said and I replied to them. Then you and that other cat got in your feelings about it.

Comic books are supposed to be fun and entertaining, why is it a problem if that’s how it translates on film/tv? What kind of bytching is this?

You already know films don’t stick the source material 100%, so why bytch about it?

Change your name to Juelz Scott Heroin because that’s all I’m reading from you.

 

[Jazzy B.]

Do you lack basic reading comprehension?

Someone quoted my post, agreeing with what I said. I didn't run back in here on my own accord. I said my piece when it finished and left it at that. I can't stop folks from quoting or tagging me in here, and if I believe it's worthy of replying to, I'll do just that.

Critiquing something isn't complaining. I haven't spammed this thread with bullshyt. I stated my case about it (in a handful of posts). The only complaining around that is coming from the likes of y'all who're getting in their feelings because someone doesn't like it as much as y'all do.

Look at this P Valley QUEEN


THIS is literally what you said

I still can't get my head around all the discourse (and not just on this board, but everywhere) that excuses how subpar this show really is. If this had absolutely no connection to any comicbook lore and stood on its own as a mafia show, this shyt would be getting dragged. It pales in comparison to the likes of Sopranos and Gomorrah in every capacity, and they're not even remotely perfect shows.

All these Marvel/DC adaptions have been the worst thing for TV and Film because they've killed everyone's sensibilities around what makes good storytelling. Not only that but they also kill the OG material that it's based off because very rarely do they do it justice.

You're mad a comic book show is being talked about in high regard/prestige TV with non comic crime dramas.
You clearly have a problem with comic book shows. So why is your goofy ass watching them then?


And YES you have spammed this thread. I'm not the first poster to ask you in this thread "why did you watch/continue to watch the show if it's so damn bad?" especially when you don't even like comic shows/material in the first place

 

[Kang Deezy]

That's talking about adaptions, in general, and what they've done to the sensibilities of the public.

Nobody would give a fukk about this show if it was called The Deformed Kingpin.

And a good adaption doesn't need stay true to its OG material. It can have it's own voice, by expanding on those characters and/or world into something of its own. My issues with this show have nothing to do with it not being "comic book enough".

Nobody gives a fukk what you think. Kindly leave.