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Looking good, you might want to ask yourself if you need the Maximus VI. Chances are a cheaper board out there will do everything you want.
I thought the same thing breh...I don't need all them ports...

I settled with the asus z87 pro which saved me about $20 thanks to microcenter...
looks real good, the only suggestion i have is to get a 256gb SSD.
my 256 gig filled up rather quickly i would have hated myself it i got a 128gb.
I feel you my dude, the is just for now...I am planning on upgrading to a bigger SSD...

I got the 128GB samsung evo and 8GB gskills for $130...That's not a deal you pass up and I don't game as much as I used to so I'll manage till at least black friday...
 

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I feel you my dude, the is just for now...I am planning on upgrading to a bigger SSD...
I got the 128GB samsung evo and 8GB gskills for $130...That's not a deal you pass up and I don't game as much as I used to so I'll manage till at least black friday...

pretty good deal, enjoy!
 

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Very interesting...

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201...cinating-use-of-oculus-rift-nsfw/#more-186753

Gender Swap Is A Fascinating Use Of Oculus Rift (NSFW)

gender1.jpg


I’ve yet to put on some Oculus Rift goggles, which rather annoys me. I imagine March’s GDC will see that cherry popped for me, but I suspect not in a way as innovative or intriguing as is offered by Gender Swap. As part of The Machine To Be Another, an ongoing experimental art project, this uses the virtual reality headset to give users the experience of being someone else – and in this case, someone of a different sex.


The Machine To Be Another’s projects work something like this: Two people put on headsets, and then see each other’s perspectives. That would be an extraordinarily bemusing experience were it not for the synchronising of the two users, each mimicking the other’s movement. It’s like that party game where you have to mirror the person opposite you, except this time you see what they should see, and vice versa. The results are interesting enough for many projects to be built around the concept, and none has been more attention grabbing so far than Gender Swap.

A man and a woman each don the Rifts, and then wearing minimal clothing, begin the experiment. Each moves to match the other’s movements, so the results are a combination of their individual idiomatic movements, and their subtle desires. So it’s perhaps no surprise that the experience often leads to explorations of the body. You can see the results of this in the video below, which due to nudity is likely not safe for work.


<iframe src="//player.vimeo.com/video/84150219" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> <p><a href="">Gender Swap - Experiment with The Machine to Be Another</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/beanotherlab">BeAnotherLab</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>


The project states that it’s an “investigation on Gender Identity, Queer Theory and Mutual Respect”. That latter part intrigues me the most. The notion of “agreed movement” is clearly massively complex, and further complicated by introducing genders and the access to bits and bobs. Where the project is used to give experiences of changing race, size and so on, there’s a very different tone to how people behave, as you can see here. Take some clothes off and it very quickly becomes about more intimate exploring. Obviously one person can reject the wandering hand suggestions of the other at any time, but when there’s an obligation to mirror, one person can easily take a lead. I found it a peculiar combination of attractive and uncomfortable. And then there’s the lady at the end who ignores all that and just pulls out her pants to get the guy to do the same. Well, you would, wouldn’t you?
I can’t imagine how peculiarly intimate the experience much be, whether clothed or not, to see from someone else’s perspective, to experience that. The project seems well worth following, especially to see if it can find its way to clinical use. I’d be especially interested to see whether it could induce attitude changes in the, well, less than lovely. Whether that forced notion of empathy could affect someone. Plus, it seems a great way to get a look at boobs or willies.
 

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Very interesting...

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201...cinating-use-of-oculus-rift-nsfw/#more-186753

Gender Swap Is A Fascinating Use Of Oculus Rift (NSFW)

gender1.jpg


I’ve yet to put on some Oculus Rift goggles, which rather annoys me. I imagine March’s GDC will see that cherry popped for me, but I suspect not in a way as innovative or intriguing as is offered by Gender Swap. As part of The Machine To Be Another, an ongoing experimental art project, this uses the virtual reality headset to give users the experience of being someone else – and in this case, someone of a different sex.


The Machine To Be Another’s projects work something like this: Two people put on headsets, and then see each other’s perspectives. That would be an extraordinarily bemusing experience were it not for the synchronising of the two users, each mimicking the other’s movement. It’s like that party game where you have to mirror the person opposite you, except this time you see what they should see, and vice versa. The results are interesting enough for many projects to be built around the concept, and none has been more attention grabbing so far than Gender Swap.

A man and a woman each don the Rifts, and then wearing minimal clothing, begin the experiment. Each moves to match the other’s movements, so the results are a combination of their individual idiomatic movements, and their subtle desires. So it’s perhaps no surprise that the experience often leads to explorations of the body. You can see the results of this in the video below, which due to nudity is likely not safe for work.


<iframe src="//player.vimeo.com/video/84150219" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> <p><a href="">Gender Swap - Experiment with The Machine to Be Another</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/beanotherlab">BeAnotherLab</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>


The project states that it’s an “investigation on Gender Identity, Queer Theory and Mutual Respect”. That latter part intrigues me the most. The notion of “agreed movement” is clearly massively complex, and further complicated by introducing genders and the access to bits and bobs. Where the project is used to give experiences of changing race, size and so on, there’s a very different tone to how people behave, as you can see here. Take some clothes off and it very quickly becomes about more intimate exploring. Obviously one person can reject the wandering hand suggestions of the other at any time, but when there’s an obligation to mirror, one person can easily take a lead. I found it a peculiar combination of attractive and uncomfortable. And then there’s the lady at the end who ignores all that and just pulls out her pants to get the guy to do the same. Well, you would, wouldn’t you?
I can’t imagine how peculiarly intimate the experience much be, whether clothed or not, to see from someone else’s perspective, to experience that. The project seems well worth following, especially to see if it can find its way to clinical use. I’d be especially interested to see whether it could induce attitude changes in the, well, less than lovely. Whether that forced notion of empathy could affect someone. Plus, it seems a great way to get a look at boobs or willies.



another way to masturbate...i'm sure something else good will come of this as well.
 

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Mantle has been released for BF4 and AMD beta driver 14.1 will be up soon.


I hope this shyt doesn't fluck up my downsampling resolutions.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/267130/
Star Swarm benchmark is up and has a link to the mantle driver but it's still going back to the 13.11 beta drivers. I will run the benchmark and see what difference it makes with mantle later.
 

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http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...s-actually-for-boosting-low-end-cpus-not-gpus

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AMD’s Mantle finally emerges: Turns out it’s actually for boosting low-end CPUs, not GPUs

This morning, AMD planned to launch its Mantle driver, with support for Battlefield 4 (that patch, from EA, should still be scheduled to go live at 4 AM EST) and with one technology demo: Star Swarm, by Oxide. Unfortunately, a last-minute delay by AMD due to driver issues has caused the company to hold back the shipping driver a little longer. So this is a preview of the performance data AMD has released thus far, with our own testing to follow tomorrow, featuring both BF4 and the Star Swarm demo.

It’s no exaggeration to say that Mantle is one of the most anticipated graphics products of the year. It’s potentially a new competitor to Microsoft’s DirectX API, it’s been used as justification for Nvidia’s GameWorks program by Nvidia users who feel AMD is the company tilting the playing field, and preemptively celebrated as one of the major next-generation gaming technologies for both the PC and console space. Therefore, before we dive into the performance testing, we need to say a few words about what Mantle is designed to do — and what it isn’t.

Mantle miscommunication
There are some key elements of Mantle that haven’t been communicated as clearly as they might have been. Mantle was announced at a GPU launch as an alternative to existing GPU APIs like OpenGL and DirectX. Most of the discussion of the API has therefore focused on how much Mantle would improve the performance of AMD’s various graphics cards by allowing for a vastly higher number of draw calls to be submitted per frame.

DXDrawCalls-640x266.jpg


The problem with this focus is that it implies that Mantle makes a game run faster by making the GPU more efficient. In reality, Mantle is aimed at improving the performance and reducing the workload on the CPU side of the equation. That means Mantle’s performance improvements vis-à-vis DirectX 11 will depend on whether or not a game is CPU-bound or not.

According to AMD, these scenarios are actually quite common in gaming, as existing APIs have huge amounts of overhead and difficulty scaling out to multiple CPU cores. AMD expects Mantle to offer a principle benefit “for the majority of PC gamers that have entry-level and mid-range processors.” (emphasis added). This means Mantle’s greatest performance increases should be visible on APUs, particularly chips like the A10-7850K and even Kabini-based parts.

Mantle achieves its benefits by offering the following benefits over DirectX 11:

  • Low validation and processing of API commands
  • Explicit command buffer control
  • Close to linear performance scaling from recording command buffers onto multiple CPU cores
  • Reduced runtime shader compilation overhead
Here’s what that means, in aggregate: Mantle gives developers far more control over where command buffers are executed, how many cores are utilized for this process, and much better scaling when multiple cores are used. Some of you may recall that one of the features of Direct3D 11 was its support for multi-threaded rendering. According to AMD, while D3D does allow for multi-threaded rendering, the CPU scaling isn’t very good. One of the goals of Mantle is to allow for much better CPU scaling and improved overall performance.

Where Mantle matters
AMD explicitly states that Mantle isn’t necessarily going to improve performance much at the very top of the CPU/GPU performance stack. According to the company, “Mantle makes less of an impact in cases where high resolutions and ‘maximum detail’ settings are used, as these settings are likely to be maximally taxing GPU resources in a manner that is more difficult to improve at the API level (so-called GPU-bound scenarios).”

AMD-CPUScaling-640x303.jpg


Mantle can still boost performance over DirectX 11 in such instances thanks to reduced command buffer submissions, asynchronous DMA queuing for data uploads, asynchronous compute capabilities, and advanced anti-aliasing techniques, but the company isn’t making big predictions for the category yet.

Profiling Star Swarm
Star Swarm is a technology demo from Oxide Games based on the Nitrous engine. Nitrous is designed around a technology Oxide calls the Simultaneous Work and Rendering Model (SWARM). This engine is specifically designed to send draw calls to whatever CPU core is most available, meaning it’s almost tailor-made to showcase the advantage of an API like Mantle. AMD’s own documents note that Star Swarm is “a beautiful use case for Mantle.”

Oxide-StarSwarm2-640x360.jpg


Because this is a tech demo, it’s also a barebones implementation — there’s no audio and no real “game” to be played. We can boot into a non-benchmark mode and experiment with the camera angles (the camera is closely reminiscent of Homeworld), but there’s not much to be done besides watch fighters and capital ships slug it out in a handful of pre-made scenarios. We strongly suggest readers treat Star Swarm as a proof-of-concept demo rather than a final example of Mantle performance.

AMD’s performance claims for Star Swarm and BF4:
AMD is claiming the following for the Star Swarm demo:

  • AMD A10-7700K + Radeon R9 290X: +319% performance in “Extreme” mode (CPU-limited, 1920×1080)
  • Intel Core i7-4960X + Radeon R9 260X: +5.1% performance in “Extreme” mode (GPU-limited, 1920×1080).
In Battlefield 4, we have more robust information. AMD claims that the FX-8350 + R9 290X will see an average of 23.8% better performance under Mantle, while the Core i5-4670K + 290X will see a performance improvement of just 7.5%.

Dismantling Mantle
We’re going to hold off on performance analysis until we have our own data to work with, but I don’t mind telling you what I expect to see. Based on the results AMD has shared, Mantle is going to make its biggest difference with low-end CPUs. That means AMD APUs (both Kabini and Kaveri), and, to a lesser extent, the AMD FX-class of chips will see the biggest improvements. Remember that lifting workloads off those chips is probably most important.

We’re going to be testing the same Core i3-4330 that we used for the Kaveri review, because that chip is a dual-core Intel with Hyper-Threading and it’s possible that Mantle will also shine on this kind of configuration. Freeing up more CPU resources when a chip only has about 2.4 cores worth of execution capability may still give Intel users a reason to cheer as well. If that’s the case, we expect Mantle to matter particularly in mobile, where Intel still ships a fair number of dual-core systems.

The alternative is that Intel chips are simply good enough in single-threaded code that Mantle doesn’t prove a major benefit, in more than the lowest-end chips. That’s a use-case we’ll investigate as well, but it’s not the outcome we’d like to see. Standards like Mantle have the greatest chance of achieving market penetration if they grant a benefit to a large number of customer systems — and that’ means it’ll be important to demonstrate strong improvements across both Intel and AMD hardware.

We’ll report back as soon as we have more information.


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Us Nvidia heads dodged a bullet :whew:


AMD users' thoughts? :lupe:
 

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http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...s-actually-for-boosting-low-end-cpus-not-gpus

:lupe:

AMD’s Mantle finally emerges: Turns out it’s actually for boosting low-end CPUs, not GPUs

This morning, AMD planned to launch its Mantle driver, with support for Battlefield 4 (that patch, from EA, should still be scheduled to go live at 4 AM EST) and with one technology demo: Star Swarm, by Oxide. Unfortunately, a last-minute delay by AMD due to driver issues has caused the company to hold back the shipping driver a little longer. So this is a preview of the performance data AMD has released thus far, with our own testing to follow tomorrow, featuring both BF4 and the Star Swarm demo.

It’s no exaggeration to say that Mantle is one of the most anticipated graphics products of the year. It’s potentially a new competitor to Microsoft’s DirectX API, it’s been used as justification for Nvidia’s GameWorks program by Nvidia users who feel AMD is the company tilting the playing field, and preemptively celebrated as one of the major next-generation gaming technologies for both the PC and console space. Therefore, before we dive into the performance testing, we need to say a few words about what Mantle is designed to do — and what it isn’t.

Mantle miscommunication
There are some key elements of Mantle that haven’t been communicated as clearly as they might have been. Mantle was announced at a GPU launch as an alternative to existing GPU APIs like OpenGL and DirectX. Most of the discussion of the API has therefore focused on how much Mantle would improve the performance of AMD’s various graphics cards by allowing for a vastly higher number of draw calls to be submitted per frame.

DXDrawCalls-640x266.jpg


The problem with this focus is that it implies that Mantle makes a game run faster by making the GPU more efficient. In reality, Mantle is aimed at improving the performance and reducing the workload on the CPU side of the equation. That means Mantle’s performance improvements vis-à-vis DirectX 11 will depend on whether or not a game is CPU-bound or not.

According to AMD, these scenarios are actually quite common in gaming, as existing APIs have huge amounts of overhead and difficulty scaling out to multiple CPU cores. AMD expects Mantle to offer a principle benefit “for the majority of PC gamers that have entry-level and mid-range processors.” (emphasis added). This means Mantle’s greatest performance increases should be visible on APUs, particularly chips like the A10-7850K and even Kabini-based parts.

Mantle achieves its benefits by offering the following benefits over DirectX 11:

  • Low validation and processing of API commands
  • Explicit command buffer control
  • Close to linear performance scaling from recording command buffers onto multiple CPU cores
  • Reduced runtime shader compilation overhead
Here’s what that means, in aggregate: Mantle gives developers far more control over where command buffers are executed, how many cores are utilized for this process, and much better scaling when multiple cores are used. Some of you may recall that one of the features of Direct3D 11 was its support for multi-threaded rendering. According to AMD, while D3D does allow for multi-threaded rendering, the CPU scaling isn’t very good. One of the goals of Mantle is to allow for much better CPU scaling and improved overall performance.

Where Mantle matters
AMD explicitly states that Mantle isn’t necessarily going to improve performance much at the very top of the CPU/GPU performance stack. According to the company, “Mantle makes less of an impact in cases where high resolutions and ‘maximum detail’ settings are used, as these settings are likely to be maximally taxing GPU resources in a manner that is more difficult to improve at the API level (so-called GPU-bound scenarios).”

AMD-CPUScaling-640x303.jpg


Mantle can still boost performance over DirectX 11 in such instances thanks to reduced command buffer submissions, asynchronous DMA queuing for data uploads, asynchronous compute capabilities, and advanced anti-aliasing techniques, but the company isn’t making big predictions for the category yet.

Profiling Star Swarm
Star Swarm is a technology demo from Oxide Games based on the Nitrous engine. Nitrous is designed around a technology Oxide calls the Simultaneous Work and Rendering Model (SWARM). This engine is specifically designed to send draw calls to whatever CPU core is most available, meaning it’s almost tailor-made to showcase the advantage of an API like Mantle. AMD’s own documents note that Star Swarm is “a beautiful use case for Mantle.”

Oxide-StarSwarm2-640x360.jpg


Because this is a tech demo, it’s also a barebones implementation — there’s no audio and no real “game” to be played. We can boot into a non-benchmark mode and experiment with the camera angles (the camera is closely reminiscent of Homeworld), but there’s not much to be done besides watch fighters and capital ships slug it out in a handful of pre-made scenarios. We strongly suggest readers treat Star Swarm as a proof-of-concept demo rather than a final example of Mantle performance.

AMD’s performance claims for Star Swarm and BF4:
AMD is claiming the following for the Star Swarm demo:

  • AMD A10-7700K + Radeon R9 290X: +319% performance in “Extreme” mode (CPU-limited, 1920×1080)
  • Intel Core i7-4960X + Radeon R9 260X: +5.1% performance in “Extreme” mode (GPU-limited, 1920×1080).
In Battlefield 4, we have more robust information. AMD claims that the FX-8350 + R9 290X will see an average of 23.8% better performance under Mantle, while the Core i5-4670K + 290X will see a performance improvement of just 7.5%.

Dismantling Mantle
We’re going to hold off on performance analysis until we have our own data to work with, but I don’t mind telling you what I expect to see. Based on the results AMD has shared, Mantle is going to make its biggest difference with low-end CPUs. That means AMD APUs (both Kabini and Kaveri), and, to a lesser extent, the AMD FX-class of chips will see the biggest improvements. Remember that lifting workloads off those chips is probably most important.

We’re going to be testing the same Core i3-4330 that we used for the Kaveri review, because that chip is a dual-core Intel with Hyper-Threading and it’s possible that Mantle will also shine on this kind of configuration. Freeing up more CPU resources when a chip only has about 2.4 cores worth of execution capability may still give Intel users a reason to cheer as well. If that’s the case, we expect Mantle to matter particularly in mobile, where Intel still ships a fair number of dual-core systems.

The alternative is that Intel chips are simply good enough in single-threaded code that Mantle doesn’t prove a major benefit, in more than the lowest-end chips. That’s a use-case we’ll investigate as well, but it’s not the outcome we’d like to see. Standards like Mantle have the greatest chance of achieving market penetration if they grant a benefit to a large number of customer systems — and that’ means it’ll be important to demonstrate strong improvements across both Intel and AMD hardware.

We’ll report back as soon as we have more information.


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Us Nvidia heads dodged a bullet :whew:


AMD users' thoughts? :lupe:
The drivers hasn't been released yet. I'm here patiently waiting :lupe:.
 

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so mantle doesnt help AMD graphic cards at all?

if i was an amd end user :pacspit:


but im not :shaq:








im tl;dr that huge wall of text.
 

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how do i check how much time a sale on a specific game is left?

i swear to god i saw a timer on the page before but now its gone
 

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so mantle doesnt help AMD graphic cards at all?

if i was an amd end user :pacspit:


but im not :shaq:








im tl;dr that huge wall of text.

yeah, a few months ago i tried to watch the vid of them unveiling it...shyt was like 2 hours long.
i skipped around the video and don't know wtf they were talking about.
 

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Mantle looks to be promising for those with CPU bottlenecks. If your system is at the higher end of the spectrum however the returns are diminishing. For the games that support it its looking like the CPU you choose won't really matter if you have a supported gpu.
 

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Just completed the Helm's Deep map for L4D2 :lawd:


i played it when it first came out, then i played it again a few months later and there were some changes.
it is a fan made map if i'm not mistaken.

Carnival is my favorite map...i love the zombie clowns.
 
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