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let's flip this idiotic thread around and ask this instead:

Honest question: given the hyperventilation 98% of the conservative population experiences upon the mere thought of diversity, can somebody tell me why diversity is bad? I get that people are proud of their heritage and may want to celebrat that, but is diversity bad because it suggests there are other ways to live and that the stories of different people may also be important to be told? But why is diversity itself so terrible? I get that conservatives get very upset about black history or Hispanic culture and deem it the root of all evil and social ills, but they don't ever actually seem to have any rational argument to defend this belief of theirs.

I find it especially ironic especially since the vast majority of them accept some of the premises that we are a melting pot, and that how far you get in life is based on your internal ethics and how hard you are willing to work for success.
 

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let's flip this idiotic thread around and ask this instead:

Honest question: given the hyperventilation 98% of the conservative population experiences upon the mere thought of diversity, can somebody tell me why diversity is bad? I get that people are proud of their heritage and may want to celebrat that, but is diversity bad because it suggests there are other ways to live and that the stories of different people may also be important to be told? But why is diversity itself so terrible? I get that conservatives get very upset about black history or Hispanic culture and deem it the root of all evil and social ills, but they don't ever actually seem to have any rational argument to defend this belief of theirs.

I find it especially ironic especially since the vast majority of them accept some of the premises that we are a melting pot, and that how far you get in life is based on your internal ethics and how hard you are willing to work for success.

diversity (and multicutluralism) can be bad depending on how its being promoted, part of what makes any country more successful is social cohesion, so if you start promoting that america is just a bunch of people who happen to live in the same geographic region then eventually america will disappear becuase of lack of social cohesion

i agree that diversity is important to add flavor but at the end of the day there can only be one culture and so the government and society's role is to bring about that one culture not trying to break people into separate cultures
 

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I clearly stated I don't believe in the mirage of equality...
...you don't believe that is possible to have a society built on equality, or you don't believe this society has achieved equality yet?

...in any regard, why would you post such drivel....? ...i've seen you post similar spiel before... you still suspect to me..... :usure:
 

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"Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam – famous for 'Bowling Alone,' his 2000 book on declining civic engagement – has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings."

"However, recent theoretical and empirical work has uncovered a community-diversity dialectic wherein the contextual conditions that foster respect for diversity often run in opposition to those that foster sense of community. More specifically, within neighborhoods, residential integration provides opportunities for intergroup contact that are necessary to promote respect for diversity but may prevent the formation of dense interpersonal networks that are necessary to promote sense of community."
 

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Its like they're only knowledge of history is only from 30 minutes ago.
 
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This was posted on the conservative forum I frequent, and I thought I'd share.:pachaha:

Honest question: given the hyperventilation 98% of the population experiences upon the mere thought of racism, can somebody tell me why unqualified racism is bad? I get that the KKK and the Nazis were evil, but they were evil because they harmed and terrorized innocents, not because they did so due to their ethnicity. But why is racism _itself_ so terrible? I get that everyone gets very upset about it and deems it nothing less than the root of all evil and social ills, but they don't ever actually seem to have any rational argument to defend this belief of theirs.
I find it especially ironic especially since the vast majority of them accept some of the premises inherent in the racist world view, viz., that some people are inherently morally and intellectually superior to others.
(1) Racism and Ethnocentrism are NOT bad...Why...?
(2) You CANNOT build a strong nation without racism/ethnocentrism...The politically correct term we use in North America is "patriotism"...
(3) The KKK are just a distraction...They aren't really about anything...
(4) The NAZIs were NOT evil...German was in a bad place after WWI, the NAZI did what they had to do to reclaim their national pride...
(5) A lack of a Racist High-Class group, is why black people are FAILING in North America, and will CONTINUE to fail...Black people want to move in with the whites and live a "nice life"....:lolbron:Dude, you guys are 200 plus years behind, how the FCUK are you ever going to catch up...? The ONLY real solution are (A) Be a nice little Negro for the white man's acceptance and remain FOREVER a second class citizen or (2) Create a subtle segregated society that uses the same tactics whites used to advance themselves as a race...

Option B is what the Chinaman is doing where ever he goes...
 

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"Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam – famous for 'Bowling Alone,' his 2000 book on declining civic engagement – has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings."

"However, recent theoretical and empirical work has uncovered a community-diversity dialectic wherein the contextual conditions that foster respect for diversity often run in opposition to those that foster sense of community. More specifically, within neighborhoods, residential integration provides opportunities for intergroup contact that are necessary to promote respect for diversity but may prevent the formation of dense interpersonal networks that are necessary to promote sense of community."

Just to be clear: Putnam's study was on diversity qua diversity, not just racial or ethnic diversity. Class/economic diversity, political diversity, subcultural diversity, etc, all had the same effect. And also don't leave out that diversity was found to foster creativity and innovation in a way that homogeneity could not. The problem is how to balance these and how best to create integration in the long term without enforcing unreasonable conformity.
 

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Just to be clear: Putnam's study was on diversity qua diversity, not just racial or ethnic diversity. Class/economic diversity, political diversity, subcultural diversity, etc, all had the same effect. And also don't leave out that diversity was found to foster creativity and innovation in a way that homogeneity could not. The problem is how to balance these and how best to create integration in the long term without enforcing unreasonable conformity.

the way to do it properly is to stop promoting multiculturalism or bilingualism, the creativity and innovation that comes from diversity only comes out during the process of integration when ideas start being exchanged, there is no inherent advantage in diversity in and of itself
 

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the way to do it properly is to stop promoting multiculturalism or bilingualism, the creativity and innovation that comes from diversity only comes out during the process of integration when ideas start being exchanged, there is no inherent advantage in diversity in and of itself

No, what Putnam found was that the tension that comes from diversity is where the creativity and innovation come from. It's literally from the friction. And as I said in the previous post, the study was on diversity qua diversity, and there are many different kinds, so the question of integration is a specific one, about what kinds should be promoted and what kinds diminished. Obviously you have to be able to talk to someone else to exchange ideas with them. I'm not seeing how that's relevant, though, beyond people being basically able to communicate, which has never been a huge problem in the US despite the lack of a national language.
 

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No, what Putnam found was that the tension that comes from diversity is where the creativity and innovation come from. It's literally from the friction. And as I said in the previous post, the study was on diversity qua diversity, and there are many different kinds, so the question of integration is a specific one, about what kinds should be promoted and what kinds diminished. Obviously you have to be able to talk to someone else to exchange ideas with them. I'm not seeing how that's relevant, though, beyond people being basically able to communicate, which has never been a huge problem in the US despite the lack of a national language.

what? how is there going to be friction if people separate themselves?

right now multiculturalism says that if you come to this country you have some inherent right to your culture and your language, which is not the proper way to integrate, that mentality actually causes less friction as people separate themselves more in their enclaves
 
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