The Official Toronto Discussion Thread

[Tom Foolery]

Shaming doesn’t work when the people doing the shaming don’t have something better to offer. Where are the suburban black communities, the business communuty that caters to black people. Black Events that doesn’t consist solely of entertainment/music/clubbing. Rarely do I see family oriented events with black families with their kids mingling outside of just church. All these things considered and more is why people will continue to IR date at astronomical numbers at those levels because they feel they gain more than they lose. Simple.

Black professional is just a relative term, I am well aware that what black people consider top class is much lower in respect to other groups given what you have pointed out. But in black circles these people are often considered upper middle class.

What do you mean better to offer? You are building a strong family and a stronger community. This is that "Angry Black Woman" Dynamics I was talking about and way Black men get the pass for pawging.

Go look at the Indian or Asian community and tell me if shaming doesn't get results. If you are not forcing the issue, they will not happen. Indian people will have 12 people in one house, but over time they take over the neighborhood. The community isn't given to you, it's built.

 

[JLova]

black people in toronto are lost
why are we the majority in every toronto housing still

I think it’s a very complicated answer to be honest. But one problem is we do not see enough examples of successful black families here. We see interracial but not black. Also for that reason I believe other races do not view us beyond a certain level. Thry think we should be happy with any job that isn’t entry level. The news is full with f negative images of black people. We have no strong upper class or even middle class black communities. We are all sprinkled into other communities and then then the poor ones are all over the low income ones. Many of us are 1st and 2nd generation. Things should improve in a few decades.

I won’t lie though, of the black folk I know in my age group, a good number have married folk outside their race. That will continue to happen IMO. We are lost in this city and trust I’d move to the US if my wife would OK it. I have mad family doing very well there and most are married to other black folk. Much stronger identity and I’ve actually been to affluent black communities in the US and it is a great feeling. Black folk are seen in high ranking positions there. You simply do not see that here. I think a lot of it though has to do with black folk there being Americans and black folk here being whatever country thry came from. We don’t have an identity here. Just a bunch of immigrants lumped together.

 

[MikelArteta]

went out with this chick yesterday from brampton dropped her home she lives in a older apartment building looks raggedy. I asked her how much her rent was

1,650 for a 1bdrm in friggin brampton

is it really that bad out there breh

 

[Ya?]

What do you mean better to offer? You are building a strong family and a stronger community. This is that "Angry Black Woman" Dynamics I was talking about and way Black men get the pass for pawging.

Go look at the Indian or Asian community and tell me if shaming doesn't get results. If you are not forcing the issue, they will not happen. Indian people will have 12 people in one house, but over time they take over the neighborhood. The community isn't given to you, it's built.

Right how many want to built it....Indian Chinese community pay their kids schooling, build businesses have something built for children over generations.

Many black people do not, it has nothing with being ABW and everything to do that black communities don’t operate like others and until we understand why and fix that nothing will work. Black men don’t need and excuse to pawg many do so regardless of a BW attitude they just switch one attitude for another.

 

[Ya?]

What do you mean better to offer? You are building a strong family and a stronger community. This is that "Angry Black Woman" Dynamics I was talking about and way Black men get the pass for pawging.

Go look at the Indian or Asian community and tell me if shaming doesn't get results. If you are not forcing the issue, they will not happen. Indian people will have 12 people in one house, but over time they take over the neighborhood. The community isn't given to you, it's built.

Jlova expresses very well what I was trying to say.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

I think it’s a very complicated answer to be honest. But one problem is we do not see enough examples of successful black families here. We see interracial but not black. Also for that reason I believe other races do not view us beyond a certain level. Thry think we should be happy with any job that isn’t entry level. The news is full with f negative images of black people. We have no strong upper class or even middle class black communities. We are all sprinkled into other communities and then then the poor ones are all over the low income ones. Many of us are 1st and 2nd generation. Things should improve in a few decades.

I won’t lie though, of the black folk I know in my age group, a good number have married folk outside their race. That will continue to happen IMO. We are lost in this city and trust I’d move to the US if my wife would OK it. I have mad family doing very well there and most are married to other black folk. Much stronger identity and I’ve actually been to affluent black communities in the US and it is a great feeling. Black folk are seen in high ranking positions there. You simply do not see that here. I think a lot of it though has to do with black folk there being Americans and black folk here being whatever country thry came from. We don’t have an identity here. Just a bunch of immigrants lumped together.

I know many successful Black men in Toronto but they grew up in other places in Canada

 

[MikelArteta]

We should have had Scarborough I remember growing up it was scarlem and other monikers . I recently went back to the mall I used to go to as a kid bridlewood mall and it's all Chinese now .

Brampton as well

And it's true Indians and Chinese people do it smart 6,7,8 to a house all saving money only leaving when they get married

 

[Miggs]

went out with this chick yesterday from brampton dropped her home she lives in a older apartment building looks raggedy. I asked her how much her rent was

1,650 for a 1bdrm in friggin brampton

is it really that bad out there breh

Those buildings near Bramalea City Centre...its insane to be renting out there for that much when those new condos out there are going for less than that...I suspect people get stuck in those rent situations because of bad credit....but i know ppl in those new condo buildings in the west end near downtown and they paying mortgage 1300-1400 a month on a 1 bed/1 den/balcony,decent sized unit....

 

[JLova]

We should have had Scarborough I remember growing up it was scarlem and other monikers . I recently went back to the mall I used to go to as a kid bridlewood mall and it's all Chinese now .

Brampton as well

And it's true Indians and Chinese people do it smart 6,7,8 to a house all saving money only leaving when they get married

Yes. Black folk don't seem to have that entrepeneurial spirit here. Or maybe it's because we have such a small community that we can't rely on. Indian and Chinese have in-fighting but they still do a good job of operating within their own community. At the same time the parents stress education and string family values. We simply aren't collectively about that life right now. We have too many clowns that ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[Tom Foolery]

Right how many want to built it....Indian Chinese community pay their kids schooling, build businesses have something built for children over generations.

Many black people do not, it has nothing with being ABW and everything to do that black communities don’t operate like others and until we understand why and fix that nothing will work. Black men don’t need and excuse to pawg many do so regardless of a BW attitude they just switch one attitude for another.

And this is why I'm saying the issue has to be forced.

Jlova expresses very well what I was trying to say.

I disagree with what he said. You don't need to live next door to the Huxtable's to know what a strong family should look like.

 

[JLova]

I disagree with what he said. You don't need to live next door to the Huxtable's to know what a strong family should look like.

I said that?

 

[genesis09]

It’s hard dating in this city unless you lower your standards. I feel like we are backwards compared to the states where they have an overflow of quality, professional, attractive black women. Here most women are either A) Eces or some variation of it
B) nurses
C) call centres
D) insta models/lash/hair dressers.

Tell me I’m wrong

 

[hazardous]

Awful way to end the summer with shootings. So much senseless violence happening this year.

 

[Tom Foolery]

It’s hard dating in this city unless you lower your standards. I feel like we are backwards compared to the states where they have an overflow of quality, professional, attractive black women. Here most women are either A) Eces or some variation of it
B) nurses
C) call centres
D) insta models/lash/hair dressers.

Tell me I’m wrong

Other than D, there's nothing wrong with those jobs.

The problem is once black people make over $40K they think they are balling.

 

[genesis09]

Other than D, there's nothing wrong with those jobs.

The problem is once black people make over $40K they think they are balling.

Nothing is wrong with those jobs or any jobs. But for the brehs who are in finance, high level sales, managerial positions that pay over 100k, you want to date a girl whose at least close to that and has the same type of ambition and drive. How many single females even have they’re own property here? Far too many are single moms living a struggle working dead end jobs waiting for a breh on top of his shyt to save em.