The Official "Thor: Love & Thunder" Thread
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MoM is so shytty that in time Eternals might pass it in my rankings b/c at least the Makkari fight at the end was cool. the coolest part of MoM was Strange resurrecting the zombie, and then it just become a dumb fight that culminates with him giving America a "you can do it" speech. the Illuminati stuff is so bad. the Kamer Taj attack literally looks like someone is throwing foam rocks for the explosions. there's a giant green minotaur and they never even do anything with him. they bring in Sorcerers from all over the globe, and they get a single line. Movie got slashed to death so we can get back to Wanda and her pain in the ass kids 4 more times quicker. Strange and America jump through universes for 30 seconds, and it wasn't even better than when Ancient One makes Strange project in the first movie, then they go to the Illuminati world where they have pizza balls and exposition memory circles. movie is more sliced to pieces than people are making Thor seem. it sucks. there was a good movie in there... they didn't release it.
"Thor is so corny."
Dr. Strange - "Illumawhati?!" - like Dr. Strange has never heard the word "Illuminati" before. that line he says to Black Bolt when Mordo introduces him... just awful. They don't actually know what Strange's sense of humor is, hes a good character but that aspect has been all over the place. then you got gems like "does Spiderman shoot webs out of his butt?" and the attempt to give America character depth by shoehorning in something about her liking pizza, so the terrible bruce campbell cameo can pay off later... you don't have to pay for food in the multiverse. the hell kinda commentary was that supposed to be? this movie legit has worse jokes than Thor.
"Raimi is so good." the octopus scene literally looks like it was made during the same time he made Spiderman. looks like the same fake NY set too. He makes Strange fight another Strange with musical notes for... what reason? What the fukk was Strange's magic in this movie? he summons a dog monster to catch a car that looks like a cut scene from Earthworm Jim. He literally throws his hands to grab a lamppost. etc. just garbage across the board.
Dr. Strange - "Illumawhati?!" - like Dr. Strange has never heard the word "Illuminati" before. that line he says to Black Bolt when Mordo introduces him... just awful. They don't actually know what Strange's sense of humor is, hes a good character but that aspect has been all over the place. then you got gems like "does Spiderman shoot webs out of his butt?" and the attempt to give America character depth by shoehorning in something about her liking pizza, so the terrible bruce campbell cameo can pay off later... you don't have to pay for food in the multiverse. the hell kinda commentary was that supposed to be? this movie legit has worse jokes than Thor.
"Raimi is so good." the octopus scene literally looks like it was made during the same time he made Spiderman. looks like the same fake NY set too. He makes Strange fight another Strange with musical notes for... what reason? What the fukk was Strange's magic in this movie? he summons a dog monster to catch a car that looks like a cut scene from Earthworm Jim. He literally throws his hands to grab a lamppost. etc. just garbage across the board.
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I'ma keep going... everyone keeps saying Thor has been b*stardized. they basically stripped Strange of his mysticism. they let Danny Elfman make a completely unmemorable score and didn't even use Strange's theme, which is one of the better ones in the MCU,
Wandavision was the first project back from covid, so we all overrated and Marvel course corrected and just said, "fukk it, that entire movie is about how unbeatable Wanda is now. everyone loves Wanda! make her bad, who cares. we'll just redeem her again down the line for the 3rd time! Everyone loves the Twins singing about ice cream..." which was worse than anything in any marvel movie if we're being honest.
Wandavision was the first project back from covid, so we all overrated and Marvel course corrected and just said, "fukk it, that entire movie is about how unbeatable Wanda is now. everyone loves Wanda! make her bad, who cares. we'll just redeem her again down the line for the 3rd time! Everyone loves the Twins singing about ice cream..." which was worse than anything in any marvel movie if we're being honest.
MischievousMonkey
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Just saw it... Here's what I think right now:
I wasn't bored and there are a lot of elements I loved and was interested in, but the sum of these parts didn't really make for a great movie. I feel like not only the ensemble was disorganized, the different tones were sometimes clashing and the pacing was odd. Here are a couple of these individual elements that were great by themselves:
But together, it produced a pretty messy result. I mean, how do you go from breh murdering gods and kidnapping children to Thor goofing around with his ex? The contrasting tones diminished the impact of the scenes. But even worse, it felt like there wasn't enough time to develop each narrative thread correctly, even if the ending tried to tie it all together and didn't do the worst job at it, the execution all along the movie was lacking. That's too bad.
I don't know if we can spoil or not, but about the ending...
The humor was missing sometimes (in part due to the messy pacing and clashing tones) but there was plenty comical moments, not hilarious, but funny enough.
I don't know what they were doing with the cancer thing and it just added to the mess imo.
Guns'n'roses score was great.
I wasn't bored and there are a lot of elements I loved and was interested in, but the sum of these parts didn't really make for a great movie. I feel like not only the ensemble was disorganized, the different tones were sometimes clashing and the pacing was odd. Here are a couple of these individual elements that were great by themselves:
- the rom-com/"love" narrative thread about Thor's place in life and his relationships
- the god-killer/gods abandoning their worshippers narrative thread
- New Asgard with Tessa Thompson as a president/new generation of Asgardian children (and others)
But together, it produced a pretty messy result. I mean, how do you go from breh murdering gods and kidnapping children to Thor goofing around with his ex? The contrasting tones diminished the impact of the scenes. But even worse, it felt like there wasn't enough time to develop each narrative thread correctly, even if the ending tried to tie it all together and didn't do the worst job at it, the execution all along the movie was lacking. That's too bad.
I don't know if we can spoil or not, but about the ending...
I thought that Gorr would use his wish to cure Jane from her cancer seeing that he concluded that even if he ressuscitated his daughter, he wouldn't be able to be here for her. On some "let me give you what I couldn't get and be a benevolent god for you".
But I like that he chose his daughter anyway. I like that it was a bittersweet ending. Not the worst outcome (all gods killed off, Thor among them) but not the best neither.
And it tried to tie the love-story narrative with the god-killer narrative together but it did a poor job at imo, essentially because those two were poorly developed during the movie (the god-killer part especially).
But I like that he chose his daughter anyway. I like that it was a bittersweet ending. Not the worst outcome (all gods killed off, Thor among them) but not the best neither.
And it tried to tie the love-story narrative with the god-killer narrative together but it did a poor job at imo, essentially because those two were poorly developed during the movie (the god-killer part especially).
The humor was missing sometimes (in part due to the messy pacing and clashing tones) but there was plenty comical moments, not hilarious, but funny enough.
I don't know what they were doing with the cancer thing and it just added to the mess imo.
Guns'n'roses score was great.
MischievousMonkey
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How can you say that there are no connective tissue in phase 4 and that Loki hasn't affected anything?Nikkas are still in denial about this shyt
There is no huge interconnected story this time. There is no "big bad". There are no plans for anything like it
Marvel is throwing shyt at the wall and seeing what sticks. Phase 4 had no real connective tissue outside of references. But none of the actions affect each other. Loki hasn't affected anything. No Way Home didn't even have an effect on Multiverse Of Madness. They're all just standalone movies with cameos and Easter eggs
Because of phase 1-3 nikkas are theorizing their own plots but the shyt clearly has no direction
Loki's actions directly led to the creation of the multiverse and introduced Kang. Without the Loki series, no Spider-Man: No Way Home nor Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness. We know that Kang will return as the villain in Ant-Man, so that's another movie it directly allowed and influenced, as it'll probably act as a foundation for phase 5 if they keep with Kang as the main antagonist.
Wandavision also led to Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness and will likely influence the next Captain Marvel through Monica Rambeau.
How can you say that "phase 4 has no real connective tissue outside of references/cameos/Easter eggs" and that it has no direction considering all that?
Mission249
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We all need to stop pretending that a movie dropping in the word "multiverse" is a decent tie in.
MischievousMonkey
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Cool, because it isn't the case for ANY of the examples I cited. Their entire plot and action is based on the multiverse and different versions of characters interacting with each other and moving from universe to universe.
We can't be watching the same movies
VertigoKnight
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Said it before and I’l say it again.
These latest MCU movies have no rewatchability at all.
I saw BP 6 times at the cinema
IW and EG 3 times each
Shang Chi is the only one of these new movies worth rewatching.
Mission249
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The Loki series could've never happened and they would've still been able to do Spider-Man and Dr. Stranger's plots. It was completely irrelevant. The movie writers weren't even aware that Loki writers were doing a multiverse origin. They were just acting like the multiverse always existed, like we all were. It's a weak tie in. Like when Captain Marvel revealed the origin of the "Avengers" name.
But you can have it.
Neo. The Only. The One.
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Big facts
My favorite version of Thor as well
The fact that Thor and Rocket got close in Infinity War and Endgame and didn't say two words to each other in Love and Thunder
@Bryan Danielson where you at breh?
MischievousMonkey
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Moving the goalposts. You were saying that all the movies do was dropping the word "multiverse" when their entire plot is based on its workings. And the question I originally contended with was whether or not there is a connective tissue for phase 4 and a direction.
Whether Spider-Man and Dr Strange writers knew about the Loki series is irrelevant. Prequels often come out without the original writers knowing about them and they're still connected and necessary lore-wise.
Dr. Narcisse
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