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You're missing something. This IS the real emotional state Meg is in. She was the wildest of all the GR from jump. Time has passed and she wants to up the ante. That is just as valid of character growth of anyone from season 1.

It also somewhat makes sense why Eevee and her homegirls would say fukk that town and join GR, as everyone from there seems to hate it.

The Tommy/Wayne 2.0 shyt is woat but the Guilty Remnant has been played perfectly this season.
It's not really though, because it's all done diegetically through GR - a gimmick. It's realistic when the show draws the emotional states of its characters on a blank canvas. Evie and her friends joining is a looping cop out and only reaffirms the cheapness of it all.

On Meg, this describes it best -
But I have to counter that I find Meg’s evolution totally implausible. She’s a completely different person, with a different name, even (I don’t remember anyone calling her Megan last season, but it was pretty much the only name used in this episode). Sure, grief can make you cruel, but it doesn’t totally erode your humanity. It doesn’t make you petrify children by throwing grenades onto their school bus, or order random trespassers to be stoned to death, or want to put out your cigarette in someone’s eye just to make them feel as crappy as you do.

Meg last season seemed like someone suffering from a classic case of post-Departure existential crisis (and pre-wedding jitters) but she was essentially kind and empathetic, encouraging Laurie to keep the lighter Jill gave her, presumably because she was thinking a little of her own mother. I remember her sitting on the sidewalk shaking in the finale after the GR conflagration, but I don’t buy that even the most vicious backlash from the people of Mapleton could turn her into such a palpably cruel, manipulative, and brutal person.

It seems more like the show wanted a new Big Bad after Kevin wrestled (metaphorically) with Patti on a spiritual plane, and so Meg was drafted to fill the void. But it feels cheap. Throwing in a classically snippy mom (“ladies don’t say ‘pee’”) and a possible cocaine habit as backstory doesn’t do much to illuminate her character, and if anything Liv Tyler is too good in the role—she really fills out Meg with a kind of radiant menace, and the result is that she seems fairly unrecognizable from season one.

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Meg wanted to get Tommy pregnant? :dahell: What does that mean? Did she make him shoot up the club? :lupe:
 

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It's not really though, because it's all done diegetically through GR - a gimmick. It's realistic when the show draws the emotional states of its characters on a blank canvas. Evie and her friends joining is a looping cop out and only reaffirms the cheapness of it all.

On Meg, this describes it best -
What you quoted seems to base a lot of criticism on Meg in S2 being so different from Meg in S1 which seems odd considering we barely got to know anything about who Meg really was before she joined the GR. This episode was the first real fleshing out of her character.

As to referring to her as Megan:
 
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What you quoted seems to base a lot of criticism on Meg in S2 being so different from Meg in S1 which seems odd considering we barely got to know anything about who Meg really was before she joined the GR. This episode was the first real fleshing out of her character.
There's some truth to this, however we're never really led to believe she's this type of cold, apathetic, Machiavellian type of character either. Or that she had an ulterior motive or even changes in her character that would slowly turn her into this type of person. All it seems to be is another case of Lindelof using unexplainable shyt for [not] explaining unexplainable shyt.

Like dude said, it does seem like she was drafted to fill the void of the ghost of Patti - all we really get is a surface look at her relationship with her mother (which isn't even mildly interesting or insightful) and the score of a not so subtle 'White Lines" (which was beyond tired after being replayed three times) with her sniffing white lines, as if that gives us even an inkling into her upbringing, life and who she was before the GR. I wouldn't exactly call that fleshing out her character.

Same shyt goes for Patti - what a missed opportunity that was to dig deeper into her childhood/past in the previous episode. All we get is some comedic routine about Neal wanting to literally shyt on her, and Patti saying how she talks too much, doesn't listen and is a "fat pig" as if this added layers to who she is.
 
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