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This from the two leading researchers in sports and fitness science in 2016, not fukking 2001 or 2004


But, is it really that important to have protein and carbohydrates immediately following your training session?

To answer that I’d like to show you some of the latest research from Alan Aragon and Brad Schoenfeld- two leading experts in the world of bodybuilding nutrition.

Alan and Brad conducted a thorough meta-analysis study looking at what all published research had concluded regarding post-workout nutrient timing and benefits. What they found may surprise you.

According to Alan Aragon & Brad Schoenfeld, this anabolic window is more like four to six hours, not thirty minutes (1).

Guess where its from? U got it, the same site u trying to make an argument for..

Sources:
1. Aragon, Alan Albert, and Brad Jon Schoenfeld. “Nutrient Timing Revisited: Is There a Post-exercise Anabolic Window?” Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. BioMed Central, 29 Jan. 2013. Web. 26 Feb. 2016.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9418912


Get rekt old man. Its easier to learn shyt then be a stubborned idiot.
 

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U do know we live in 2018 and the views on fitness has changed since 2004 right?
You do know University of New Mexico study was with trained athletes and Schoenfeld study was done on non trained athletes who never diet or trained Right?

Again You dont know shyt
 

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You do know University of New Mexico study was with trained athletes and Schoenfeld study was done on non trained athletes who never diet or trained Right?

Again You dont know shyt


Again, u do know that you whole backing is based off of decades old information right? U do realize that every modern fitness guru knows the 30 minute window is bullshyt based off of modern research right? U do know unless your an elite athlete who trains throughout the day, u dont need an immediate refuel right?

Again, ur old and misinformed. Go expand your knowledge grandpa :camby:
 

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Again, u do know that you whole backing is based off of decades old information right? U do realize that every modern fitness guru knows the 30 minute window is bullshyt based off of modern research right? U do know unless your an elite athlete who trains throughout the day, u dont need an immediate refuel right?

Again, ur old and misinformed. Go expand your knowledge grandpa :camby:

Have you ever heard of Placebo, So you didnt know Schoenfeld study was done on non trained athletes who never diet or trained

And you didn't know That the University of New Mexico who is a world renown University in sports science in America that do studies with trained professional athletes, bodybuilders

shyt I go with science and results Any Day, and that got me a 600 pound deadlift, 415 Bench, 445 Squat with a 4 pack (my bottom two is a trouble spot:mjcry:) 19 1/2 inch arms.

We deal with Science over hear no placebo
 

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Have you ever heard of Placebo, So you didnt know Schoenfeld study was done on non trained athletes who never diet or trained

And you didn't know That the University of New Mexico who is a world renown University in sports science in America that do studies with trained professional athletes, bodybuilders

shyt I go with science and results Any Day, and that got me a 600 pound deadlift, 415 Bench, 445 Squat with a 4 pack (my bottom two is a trouble spot:mjcry:) 19 1/2 inch arms.

We deal with Science over hear no placebo


Thats not the only study done on it breh. They arent the only two who did it. More modern researchers have suggested the same on athletes.

But whateva man, im done.


Yea i got issues with them lower 2 abs as well. They only be barely showing after my fasting in the morning :francis:
 

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Thats not the only study done on it breh. They arent the only two who did it. More modern researchers have suggested the same on athletes.

But whateva man, im done, u do u
And you went from Protien Synthesis, to 48 hour window, you all over the place

All I was talking about this scientific fact

The “window of opportunity”
Some refer to this workout and post-workout phenomenon as “the window of opportunity”.

During this window, your muscles are primed to accept nutrients that can stimulate muscle repair, muscle growth, and muscle strength.


This window opens immediately after your workout and starts to close pretty quickly. Research suggests that while protein synthesis persists for at least 48 hours after exercise, it’s most important to get postworkout nutrition immediately, and within 2 hours afterwards.

This is what I'm talking about

You damn right I do me, results don't lie.

Now I'm about to pop my ZMA, good night, I hope you set some PR's
 

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And you went from Protien Synthesis, to 48 hour window, you all over the place

All I was talking about this scientific fact

The “window of opportunity”
Some refer to this workout and post-workout phenomenon as “the window of opportunity”.

During this window, your muscles are primed to accept nutrients that can stimulate muscle repair, muscle growth, and muscle strength.


This window opens immediately after your workout and starts to close pretty quickly. Research suggests that while protein synthesis persists for at least 48 hours after exercise, it’s most important to get postworkout nutrition immediately, and within 2 hours afterwards.

This is what I'm talking about

Its the same thing except they are saying its more important to get it immediately. Thats not true. What are they basing this off of? Theres no proof that u get the most of repair/building within 30 mins or 3 hours. Thats why i posted the info because everyone thought that as well. Show me something modern that confirms this because all i can find is the opposite that the window is larger then what we thought.
 

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Its the same thing except they are saying its more important to get it immediately. Thats not true. What are they basing this off of? Theres no proof that u get the most of repair/building within 30 mins or 3 hours. Thats why i posted the info because everyone thought that as well. Show me something modern that confirms this because all i can find is the opposite that the window is larger then what we thought.

When you get finish working out your body automatic goes in a Catabolic state, you torn down your muscles, everything you put in your body before is used up when you lifting weights, the body takes your vitamins, carb storage, Protien everything, BCAA everything while you working out, after the workout your body goes into that state, your body needs fuel, it don't go for the fat, it goes for the good shyt, your muscles. Not only taking carbs, BCAA, Protien after your workout will stop your body going to a Catabolic state, the blood flow will push those supplements to the place it needs to be to start the repair and growth quicker

During this window, your muscles are primed to accept nutrients that can stimulate muscle repair, muscle growth, and muscle strength.

This window opens immediately after your workout and starts to close pretty quickly.

That's why it's good to take a Protien shake first thing in the morning also because when you sleep your body is still working, your muscle is the fuel, the body will go for muscle before it goes for fat.
 

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Back to Creatine, here's some more information on the scientific studies and benefit of Creatine


Today, Creatine is one of the best-studied supplements in the field of sports nutrition and its proven efficacy as an ergogenic substance was reviewed and accepted by numerous authorities.

Are there other benefits of Creatine besides sports performance?

  • Improves strength and fitness in daily activities in the elderly
  • Speeds up recovery after times of immobility
  • Creatine improves mental performance
  • Creatine has direct antioxidant properties
  • Creatine has neuroprotective effects
Are there quality differences in different Creatine products? Yes there are. Creatine products with more than 5% impurities have been found on the market. The reaction conditions as well as the treatment of the crude Creatine Monohydrate are crucial for the quality of the product. Inferior starting materials or reducing the amount of water during "recrystallization" results in increased amounts of impurities (such as Dicyandiamide (dimerization product of Cyanamide), Creatinine (Cyclization product of Creatine) and Dihydrotriazines). Worldwide authorities warn about potential health risks resulting from the presence impurities in Dietary Supplements and in Creatine Monohydrate products. Pfanstiehl creatine and Creapure have a very strict specification on potential impurities in Creatine Monohydrate.

What is the common daily dosage for Creatine? A high-dose loading phase of 20 g (4 times 5 g) Creatine Monohydrate per day for 5 days followed by a maintenance phase of 2 to 5 g (once daily) per day is common for athletes. Based on body weight, 0.3 g Creatine Monohydrate per kg body mass per day as a loading phase and 0.03 g Creatine Monohydrate per kg body mass per day as a maintenance phase are suggested. Alternatively a low-dose long-term usage will result in the same muscle Creatine levels (3g for 28 days). Taking larger amounts of Creatine for more than 5 days does not result in significantly higher levels and is therefore unnecessary.

What is the best form of administration? Can I simply stir Creatine in my favorite sports drink? Yes, you can. Dissolve creatine completely in liquids such as water, fruit juice or tea. 5 g can easily be dissolved in 500 mL of water at room temperature or in a cup (app. 200 ml) of hot tea. Please prepare beverages fresh and consume within the same day.

Are there any beneficial effects of taking Creatine with Glucose or Protein? Creatine retention can be augmented when Creatine is consumed along with simple carbohydrates, such as Glucose, compared to Creatine alone. This increased Creatine absorption has been attributed to insulin mediated stimulation of the Creatine transporter. However, large amounts of carbohydrate (~100 g) or combinations of carbohydrate (47 g) and Protein (50 g) are necessary to significantly improve Creatine uptake. These large doses of carbohydrate are difficult to palate and potentially hazardous to diabetics or those with glucose intolerance. A recent study suggests that adding alpha-Lipoic Acid can reduce the amount of Carbohydrates needed. 25 g Dextrose and alpha-Lipoic Acid (250 mg) resulted in greater muscle Creatine accumulation than Creatine intake alone, or Creatine plus 25 g Dextrose.

Is Creatine stable in water? Contrary to what many companies will tell you, Creatine is not stable in aqueous solution due to a degradation into Creatinine. The speed of degradation is:

    • dependant on the pH (the lower the pH the faster the degradation)
  • dependant on the temperature (the higher the temperature the faster the degradation)
I have heard that creatine should not be consumed together with coffee; what about coke or ice tea ? Try to avoid taking high amounts of Caffeine with Creatine. Simultaneous supplementation of large amounts of Caffeine (5 mg per kg body weight per day) eliminates the ergogenic effects of Creatine by interfering with the resynthesis of Phosphocreatine. Lower amounts of Caffeine (e.g. 1-2 cups of Coffee) seem not to influence the efficacy of Creatine.

Is Creatine safe? Numerous animal and human trials have proven the safety of Creatine supplementation. Besides the classic toxicology, Creatine was tested in more than 50 clinical trials. People of all ages (from several months up to age 70+) in sports and non-sports applications, over periods of more than 21 months used Creatine without any unwanted side effects.

Does Creatine improve performance in athletes? The effects of Creatine supplementation were studied in people with different training background and athletic abilities, from competitive college athletes to relatively untrained beginners. Creatine supplementation significantly increases performance in a variety of sports such as sprinting, repeated jumping, swimming, kayaking/rowing, resistance exercise or cycling. Short-term Creatine supplementation improves, for example, maximal strength/power (5-15%), work performed during sets of maximum efforts (5-20%), power production during short sprints (app. 30%) and work performed during repetitive sprints (5-15%). Creatine supplementation is common amongst bodybuilders, power lifters, wrestlers, rowers, cyclists, mountain bikers, tennis players, skiers, or players in American football, soccer, rugby, basketball, ice hockey, volleyball or handball teams as well as track and field athletes (sprinter, shot put, javelin, discus).

How does Creatine improve performance? Different mechanisms are involved in the ergogenic effects of creatine supplementation which include:

  • Higher Phosphocreatine concentrations serving as an immediate buffer to ATP during exercise.
  • Increased Phosphocreatine re-synthesis rate during and after exercise due to increased levels of free Creatine.
  • Smaller decrease in muscle pH during exercise.
  • Enhanced training load.
  • Increasing muscle mass (absolute power output)
 

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Back to Creatine, here's some more information on the scientific studies and benefit of Creatine


Today, Creatine is one of the best-studied supplements in the field of sports nutrition and its proven efficacy as an ergogenic substance was reviewed and accepted by numerous authorities.

Are there other benefits of Creatine besides sports performance?

  • Improves strength and fitness in daily activities in the elderly
  • Speeds up recovery after times of immobility
  • Creatine improves mental performance
  • Creatine has direct antioxidant properties
  • Creatine has neuroprotective effects
Are there quality differences in different Creatine products? Yes there are. Creatine products with more than 5% impurities have been found on the market. The reaction conditions as well as the treatment of the crude Creatine Monohydrate are crucial for the quality of the product. Inferior starting materials or reducing the amount of water during "recrystallization" results in increased amounts of impurities (such as Dicyandiamide (dimerization product of Cyanamide), Creatinine (Cyclization product of Creatine) and Dihydrotriazines). Worldwide authorities warn about potential health risks resulting from the presence impurities in Dietary Supplements and in Creatine Monohydrate products. Pfanstiehl creatine and Creapure have a very strict specification on potential impurities in Creatine Monohydrate.

What is the common daily dosage for Creatine? A high-dose loading phase of 20 g (4 times 5 g) Creatine Monohydrate per day for 5 days followed by a maintenance phase of 2 to 5 g (once daily) per day is common for athletes. Based on body weight, 0.3 g Creatine Monohydrate per kg body mass per day as a loading phase and 0.03 g Creatine Monohydrate per kg body mass per day as a maintenance phase are suggested. Alternatively a low-dose long-term usage will result in the same muscle Creatine levels (3g for 28 days). Taking larger amounts of Creatine for more than 5 days does not result in significantly higher levels and is therefore unnecessary.

What is the best form of administration? Can I simply stir Creatine in my favorite sports drink? Yes, you can. Dissolve creatine completely in liquids such as water, fruit juice or tea. 5 g can easily be dissolved in 500 mL of water at room temperature or in a cup (app. 200 ml) of hot tea. Please prepare beverages fresh and consume within the same day.

Are there any beneficial effects of taking Creatine with Glucose or Protein? Creatine retention can be augmented when Creatine is consumed along with simple carbohydrates, such as Glucose, compared to Creatine alone. This increased Creatine absorption has been attributed to insulin mediated stimulation of the Creatine transporter. However, large amounts of carbohydrate (~100 g) or combinations of carbohydrate (47 g) and Protein (50 g) are necessary to significantly improve Creatine uptake. These large doses of carbohydrate are difficult to palate and potentially hazardous to diabetics or those with glucose intolerance. A recent study suggests that adding alpha-Lipoic Acid can reduce the amount of Carbohydrates needed. 25 g Dextrose and alpha-Lipoic Acid (250 mg) resulted in greater muscle Creatine accumulation than Creatine intake alone, or Creatine plus 25 g Dextrose.

Is Creatine stable in water? Contrary to what many companies will tell you, Creatine is not stable in aqueous solution due to a degradation into Creatinine. The speed of degradation is:

    • dependant on the pH (the lower the pH the faster the degradation)
  • dependant on the temperature (the higher the temperature the faster the degradation)
I have heard that creatine should not be consumed together with coffee; what about coke or ice tea ? Try to avoid taking high amounts of Caffeine with Creatine. Simultaneous supplementation of large amounts of Caffeine (5 mg per kg body weight per day) eliminates the ergogenic effects of Creatine by interfering with the resynthesis of Phosphocreatine. Lower amounts of Caffeine (e.g. 1-2 cups of Coffee) seem not to influence the efficacy of Creatine.

Is Creatine safe? Numerous animal and human trials have proven the safety of Creatine supplementation. Besides the classic toxicology, Creatine was tested in more than 50 clinical trials. People of all ages (from several months up to age 70+) in sports and non-sports applications, over periods of more than 21 months used Creatine without any unwanted side effects.

Does Creatine improve performance in athletes? The effects of Creatine supplementation were studied in people with different training background and athletic abilities, from competitive college athletes to relatively untrained beginners. Creatine supplementation significantly increases performance in a variety of sports such as sprinting, repeated jumping, swimming, kayaking/rowing, resistance exercise or cycling. Short-term Creatine supplementation improves, for example, maximal strength/power (5-15%), work performed during sets of maximum efforts (5-20%), power production during short sprints (app. 30%) and work performed during repetitive sprints (5-15%). Creatine supplementation is common amongst bodybuilders, power lifters, wrestlers, rowers, cyclists, mountain bikers, tennis players, skiers, or players in American football, soccer, rugby, basketball, ice hockey, volleyball or handball teams as well as track and field athletes (sprinter, shot put, javelin, discus).

How does Creatine improve performance? Different mechanisms are involved in the ergogenic effects of creatine supplementation which include:

  • Higher Phosphocreatine concentrations serving as an immediate buffer to ATP during exercise.
  • Increased Phosphocreatine re-synthesis rate during and after exercise due to increased levels of free Creatine.
  • Smaller decrease in muscle pH during exercise.
  • Enhanced training load.
  • Increasing muscle mass (absolute power output)


u in the creatine cycling circle or do u take it every day?
 

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u in the creatine cycling circle or do u take it every day?

I take it everyday, I don't even load cycle, On workout Days I take 10 G Pre and Post Workout

On off days just 10G, I try to stay anabolic at all times and creatine on off days keep you anabolic by pushing water and nutrients to your muscles.

I might take a week off every few months
 

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I take it everyday, I don't even load cycle, On workout Days I take 10 G Pre and Post Workout

On off days just 10G, I try to stay anabolic at all times and creatine on off days keep you anabolic by pushing water and nutrients to your muscles.

I might take a week off every few months
Damn 10g pre and post?? Thats a shyt load
 
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