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Out all of the social media fitness people, you post the twins:mjlol:

Snap city, Snap City, Snap City:russ:

Don't over train, Snap City, they don't even push themselves


Breh theres tons of videos i can post. Just like theres tons of articles i can post debunking post workout shyt. But hey if u wanna cram carbs and proteins in u after workout,then u do u. Just dont pass it off as a necessity when science says other wise. Thats all
 

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Breh theres tons of videos i can post. Just like theres tons of articles i can post debunking post workout shyt. But hey if u wanna cram carbs and proteins in u after workout,then u do u. Just dont pass it off as a necessity when science says other wise. Thats all

Bruh it's over, I post articles from Medical Sport's Scientist with multiple degrees in fitness, exercise ect and an article from Journal of the International Society of Sports.

In the fitness, Bodybuilding, Power Lifting, Olympic Weight Training, Cross Fitters, Strong Man we deal with Sport's Science, Nutrition Science that backed by those who are from the fields, and who have results through their training, I train with when I used to Powerlift at a power lifting gym with Professional's, My Cousin is a Physique Competitor earning his pro card, I trained with a former Mr. California, Chopped it up with Phil Heath and Dan Green, I got a friend who's earning his Pro Card in Bodybuilding

Everything about nutrition, supplements, the physiology of the body, studies In Kinesiology, I learned from those in that profession

So miss me with the bullshyt.

This thread is about supplements and the effects of it, you got an issue then make a thread, don't derail this thread with your bullshyt.

I just crushed your bullshyt theory, with those who study this shyt for a living.

You don't like post workout then fine, I don't give a fukk

But I post science and facts and that's what we go by.
 

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Bruh it's over, I post articles from Medical Sport's Scientist with multiple degrees in fitness, exercise ect and an article from Journal of the International Society of Sports.

In the fitness, Bodybuilding, Power Lifting, Olympic Weight Training, Cross Fitters, Strong Man we deal with Sport's Science, Nutrition Science that backed by those who are from the fields, and who have results through their training, I train with when I used to Powerlift at a power lifting gym with Professional's, My Cousin is a Physique Competitor earning his pro card, I trained with a former Mr. California, Chopped it up with Phil Heath and Dan Green, I got a friend who's earning his Pro Card in Bodybuilding

Everything about nutrition, supplements, the physiology of the body, studies In Kinesiology, I learned from those in that profession

So miss me with the bullshyt.

This thread is about supplements and the effects of it, you got an issue then make a thread, don't derail this thread with your bullshyt.

I just crushed your bullshyt theory, with those who study this shyt for a living.

You don't like post workout then fine, I don't give a fukk

But I post science and facts and that's what we go by.
:mjlol:


Where the fukk do u think i posted my shyt from? Random blogs? Breh its been proven a damn myth, let it go. Ur posting old ass information. Im posting recent, as in the past few years, that studies have shown not only is there not a small anabolic window, but theres not even a need to get carbs involved post workout. Get with the times old man and stop posting old ass bullshyt.


Oh, fukk yo thread if u gonna keep posting dumb ass bro science :ufdup:
 

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Breh this is taking from the same site your vouching for :dead:

Nutrient timing revisited: is there a post-exercise anabolic window?


Moreover, there is evidence that the effect of protein breakdown on muscle protein accretion may be overstated. Glynn et al. [49] found that the post-exercise anabolic response associated with combined protein and carbohydrate consumption was largely due to an elevation in muscle protein synthesis with only a minor influence from reduced muscle protein breakdown. These results were seen regardless of the extent of circulating insulin levels. Thus, it remains questionable as to what, if any, positive effects are realized with respect to muscle growth from spiking insulin after resistance training.


Several studies have investigated whether an “anabolic window” exists in the immediate post-exercise period with respect to protein synthesis. For maximizing MPS, the evidence supports the superiority of post-exercise free amino acids and/or protein (in various permutations with or without carbohydrate) compared to solely carbohydrate or non-caloric placebo [50,51,54-59]. However, despite the common recommendation to consume protein as soon as possible post-exercise [60,61], evidence-based support for this practice is currently lacking.



Get way the fukk outta here with ur agenda having debunked ass :camby:
 

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Breh this is taking from the same site your vouching for :dead:

Nutrient timing revisited: is there a post-exercise anabolic window?


Moreover, there is evidence that the effect of protein breakdown on muscle protein accretion may be overstated. Glynn et al. [49] found that the post-exercise anabolic response associated with combined protein and carbohydrate consumption was largely due to an elevation in muscle protein synthesis with only a minor influence from reduced muscle protein breakdown. These results were seen regardless of the extent of circulating insulin levels. Thus, it remains questionable as to what, if any, positive effects are realized with respect to muscle growth from spiking insulin after resistance training.


Several studies have investigated whether an “anabolic window” exists in the immediate post-exercise period with respect to protein synthesis. For maximizing MPS, the evidence supports the superiority of post-exercise free amino acids and/or protein (in various permutations with or without carbohydrate) compared to solely carbohydrate or non-caloric placebo [50,51,54-59]. However, despite the common recommendation to consume protein as soon as possible post-exercise [60,61], evidence-based support for this practice is currently lacking.



Get way the fukk outta here with ur agenda having debunked ass :camby:

That's how fukkin stupid you are, you really are that fukkin stupid, do you know what you reading
 

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That's how fukkin stupid you are, you really are that fukkin stupid, do you know what you reading
Quote only what u want brehs


Read the last part where it says eveidence is lacking idiot. Its been disproven by current scientfic evidence as i had posted. My gawd u cant be this stupid :snoop:
 

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In 2013 Alan Aragon and Brad Schoenfeld – 2 top bodybuilding nutrition researchers – conducted an in-depth review of the “anabolic window.” They analyzed and compared every relevant study that has ever been done on this topic.

Their conclusion?

There is zero conclusive evidence that shows ingesting carbs and protein immediately after a workout raises muscle protein synthesis.


Act like old bro science is truth brehs :mjlol:

And this is from well known top researchers. From the same site u vouche for :mjgrin:

Get shytted on brehs

The 30 Minute Anabolic Window: What the Science Says
 

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But here’s the thing: glycogen doesn’t need to be replenished immediately after your workout.

All you need to worry about is refilling your glycogen stores before your next workout, so you can lift as much weight as possible at that time.

And studies show that there’s no difference between consuming carbs immediately post-workout or 2 hours later. In both cases, glycogen levels were exactly the same when measured 8 hours and 24 hours later.


Form the sports journal shyt
 

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From The University of New Mexico

What Is Nutrient Timing?

Nutrient timing is the application of knowing when to eat and what to eat before, during and after exercise.It is designed to help athletes, recreational competitors, and exercise enthusiasts achieve their most advantageous exercise performance and recovery. There are three distinct phases in the nutrient timing system that are based on muscle, its nutritional requirements, and its recovery demands for best strength and endurance results. But first, a basic review of the hormones of exercise is warranted.

The Hormonal Responses To Exercise
Within the body are numerous catabolic (breaking down) and anabolic (building up) hormones that are stimulated by exercise.Catabolic hormones aid in the disassembly of nutrients for energy production or cells needs. The main catabolic hormones of exercise are epinephrine, norepinephrine, cortisol and glucagon. Anabolic hormones support muscle hypertrophy (growth), tissue repair, inflammation control, and facilitate the regulation of carbohydrate, fat and protein metabolism. The anabolic hormones of interest during exercise are insulin, testosterone, IGF-I and growth hormone.

The Catabolic Hormones
During aerobic exercise, levels of epinephrine and norepinephrine are elevated to prepare (or mobilize) the cells for the breakdown of glycogen (converting it to glucose for fuel) in the liver and muscle. These hormones also increase the heart rate, blood pressure, heart contractility, blood redistribution to muscle, and respiration rate to meet the physiological needs of the continuous dynamic exercise.

Cortisol is largely responsible for the breakdown of carbohydrate and fat for energy during exercise. It is a very important catabolic hormone that is activated when low blood glucose levels are present, such as during exhaustive exercise. If the body is low in glucose and glycogen, cortisol will send amino acids to the liver to make new glucose, referred to as gluconeogeneses. Thus, in exercise, when carbohydrate sources are dwindling, cortisol takes the building blocks of proteins (amino acids) and uses them for new glucose synthesis. Glucagon stimulates fat breakdown and also helps to raise blood glucose levels by increasing the release of glucose and the rate of gluconeogeneses (Ivy & Portman, 2004).

The Anabolic Hormones
One widely known anabolic hormone is insulin. Insulin sensitivity is increased during aerobic and resistance exercise, which literally means there is an enhanced glucose uptake for muscle contraction. It also accelerates the transport of amino acids into muscle and stimulates protein synthesis in muscles (Levenhagen et al., 2001). However, during sustained aerobic exercise insulin levels in the blood decrease slightly because epinephrine and norepinephrine inhibit the release of insulin from the pancreas.

Another important anabolic hormone is testosterone. Testosterone is a powerful hormone for protein synthesis and muscle hypertrophy. The amount of testosterone within the body increases with exercise (Ivy & Portman, 2004). Growth hormone is an anabolic hormone that promotes bone and cartilage growth. It is also responsible for stimulating IGF-I, a hormone responsible for the development of muscle cells from myoblasts (immature muscle cells) into myotubes (growing muscles cells) and then into mature muscle fibers. High levels of IGF-I are needed in order to promote muscle hypertrophy. Growth hormone also increases protein synthesis (Volek, 2004).

The Three Nutrient Timing Phases
The nutrient timing system is split into three distinct phases:
1) Energy Phase (just before and during workout)
2) Anabolic Phase (post 45 minutes of workout)
3) Growth Phase (remainder of the day)

The Energy Phase
Muscle glycogen is the primary fuel (followed by fat) used by the body during exercise. Low muscle glycogen stores result in muscle fatigue and the body's inability to complete high intensity exercise (Levenhagen et al., 2001). The depletion of muscle glycogen is also a major contributing factor in acute muscle weakness and reduced force production (Haff et al., 2000). Both aerobic and anaerobic exercise decrease glycogen stores, so the need for carbohydrates is high for all types of exercise during this energy phase.
Several hormonal and physiological responses occur during the energy phase. Cortisol levels are increasing, insulin levels are slightly decreasing, and muscle glycogen levels are becoming depleted, making the energy phase catabolic (Ivy & Portman, 2004). Therefore, the goals with the energy phase are to increase nutrient (primarily carbohydrate and some protein) delivery to muscles, spare glycogen and protein loss, limit immune system suppression, minimize muscle damage and prepare nutritionally for a faster recovery (Ivy & Portman, 2004).
Prior to aerobic exercise, protein intake with carbohydrate supplementation has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis post-exercise (Volek et al., 2006). The combined intake of carbohydrate and protein (pre-exercise) also aids in the rate of muscle recovery after exercise (Ivy & Portman, 2004).
Carbohydrate supplementation prior to resistance training can increase the body's capacity to perform more sets, repetitions and prolong a resistance training workout (Haff et al., 2000). It will help to maintain blood glucose levels, sustain immune function, and aid in the suppressing of cortisol (Ivy & Portman, 2004).

The Anabolic Phase: The 45-Minute Optimal Window
The anabolic phase is a critical phase occurring within 45 minutes post-exercise. It is during this time that muscle cells are particularly sensitive to insulin, making it necessary to ingest the proper nutrients in order to make gains in muscle endurance and strength. If the proper nutrients are ingested 2 - 4 hours post-exercise they will not have the same effect. It is also during this time in which the anabolic hormones begin working to repair the muscle and decrease its inflammation.
Immediate ingestion of carbohydrate is important because insulin sensitivity causes the muscle cell membranes to be more permeable to glucose within 45 minutes post-exercise. This results in faster rates of glycogen storage and provides the body with enough glucose to initiate the recovery process (Burke et al., 2003). Muscle glycogen stores are replenished the fastest within the first hour after exercise. Consuming carbohydrate within an hour after exercise also helps to increase protein synthesis (Gibala, 2000).


The Growth Phase
The growth phase consists of the 18 - 20 hours post-exercise when muscle repair, growth and strength occur. According to authors Ivy and Portman, the goals of this phase are to maintain insulin sensitivity in order to continue to replenish glycogen stores and to maintain the anabolic state. Consuming a protein and carbohydrate meal within 1 - 3 hours after resistance training has a positive stimulating effect on protein synthesis (Volek, 2004).
Carbohydrate meals with moderate to high glycemic indexes are more favorable to enhance post-exercise fueling. Higher levels of glycogen storage (post-exercise) are found in individuals who have eaten high glycemic foods when compared to those that have eaten low glycemic foods (Burke et al., 2003).
 

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The "Anabolic Window"
So what can we do nutritionally to accomplish more than simply replacing the muscle you've just broken down in the gym with an equal amount to build back up?

You take advantage of the Anabolic Window. To get as big as possible you must exploit the window for maximal effect. It's time to talk about what to eat, and when.

There are three times for increasing protein/amino acid availability to augment the acute increase in protein synthesis caused by training:

  • Pre-workout: Within an hour or so before the workout begins.
  • Peri-workout: During the training session.
  • Post-workout: Less than two hours post-exercise.
  • The 10,000 dollar question is, which time(s) are best to get the maximum growth response from your training?
Scientists have looked into this, and the results of several studies are shown in the figure below.

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The take-home from this chart is that post-workout nutrition amplifies the acute, exercise induced increase in protein synthesis more than pre-workout nutrition. This is good information to know, but there's much more to this story.
 

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Pre workout - I'm an am workout person so I need the kick :yeshrug:
Whey - post workout shake and/or breakfast
BCAA - don't use it as much as I should
L glutamine for the days I'm really sore
L carnitine
Glucosamine - joint support
MSM - joint support
Dandelion - if I'm holding water
Adrenal support supp - helps reduce fatigue and cortisol during the waves where I'm overworking my body


Not related to fitness/working out
Multi vitamin
Fish oil
Vitamin d
Iron
 

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From The University of New Mexico

What Is Nutrient Timing?

Nutrient timing is the application of knowing when to eat and what to eat before, during and after exercise.It is designed to help athletes, recreational competitors, and exercise enthusiasts achieve their most advantageous exercise performance and recovery. There are three distinct phases in the nutrient timing system that are based on muscle, its nutritional requirements, and its recovery demands for best strength and endurance results. But first, a basic review of the hormones of exercise is warranted.

The Hormonal Responses To Exercise
Within the body are numerous catabolic (breaking down) and anabolic (building up) hormones that are stimulated by exercise.Catabolic hormones aid in the disassembly of nutrients for energy production or cells needs. The main catabolic hormones of exercise are epinephrine, norepinephrine, cortisol and glucagon. Anabolic hormones support muscle hypertrophy (growth), tissue repair, inflammation control, and facilitate the regulation of carbohydrate, fat and protein metabolism. The anabolic hormones of interest during exercise are insulin, testosterone, IGF-I and growth hormone.

The Catabolic Hormones
During aerobic exercise, levels of epinephrine and norepinephrine are elevated to prepare (or mobilize) the cells for the breakdown of glycogen (converting it to glucose for fuel) in the liver and muscle. These hormones also increase the heart rate, blood pressure, heart contractility, blood redistribution to muscle, and respiration rate to meet the physiological needs of the continuous dynamic exercise.

Cortisol is largely responsible for the breakdown of carbohydrate and fat for energy during exercise. It is a very important catabolic hormone that is activated when low blood glucose levels are present, such as during exhaustive exercise. If the body is low in glucose and glycogen, cortisol will send amino acids to the liver to make new glucose, referred to as gluconeogeneses. Thus, in exercise, when carbohydrate sources are dwindling, cortisol takes the building blocks of proteins (amino acids) and uses them for new glucose synthesis. Glucagon stimulates fat breakdown and also helps to raise blood glucose levels by increasing the release of glucose and the rate of gluconeogeneses (Ivy & Portman, 2004).

The Anabolic Hormones
One widely known anabolic hormone is insulin. Insulin sensitivity is increased during aerobic and resistance exercise, which literally means there is an enhanced glucose uptake for muscle contraction. It also accelerates the transport of amino acids into muscle and stimulates protein synthesis in muscles (Levenhagen et al., 2001). However, during sustained aerobic exercise insulin levels in the blood decrease slightly because epinephrine and norepinephrine inhibit the release of insulin from the pancreas.

Another important anabolic hormone is testosterone. Testosterone is a powerful hormone for protein synthesis and muscle hypertrophy. The amount of testosterone within the body increases with exercise (Ivy & Portman, 2004). Growth hormone is an anabolic hormone that promotes bone and cartilage growth. It is also responsible for stimulating IGF-I, a hormone responsible for the development of muscle cells from myoblasts (immature muscle cells) into myotubes (growing muscles cells) and then into mature muscle fibers. High levels of IGF-I are needed in order to promote muscle hypertrophy. Growth hormone also increases protein synthesis (Volek, 2004).

The Three Nutrient Timing Phases
The nutrient timing system is split into three distinct phases:
1) Energy Phase (just before and during workout)
2) Anabolic Phase (post 45 minutes of workout)
3) Growth Phase (remainder of the day)

The Energy Phase
Muscle glycogen is the primary fuel (followed by fat) used by the body during exercise. Low muscle glycogen stores result in muscle fatigue and the body's inability to complete high intensity exercise (Levenhagen et al., 2001). The depletion of muscle glycogen is also a major contributing factor in acute muscle weakness and reduced force production (Haff et al., 2000). Both aerobic and anaerobic exercise decrease glycogen stores, so the need for carbohydrates is high for all types of exercise during this energy phase.
Several hormonal and physiological responses occur during the energy phase. Cortisol levels are increasing, insulin levels are slightly decreasing, and muscle glycogen levels are becoming depleted, making the energy phase catabolic (Ivy & Portman, 2004). Therefore, the goals with the energy phase are to increase nutrient (primarily carbohydrate and some protein) delivery to muscles, spare glycogen and protein loss, limit immune system suppression, minimize muscle damage and prepare nutritionally for a faster recovery (Ivy & Portman, 2004).
Prior to aerobic exercise, protein intake with carbohydrate supplementation has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis post-exercise (Volek et al., 2006). The combined intake of carbohydrate and protein (pre-exercise) also aids in the rate of muscle recovery after exercise (Ivy & Portman, 2004).
Carbohydrate supplementation prior to resistance training can increase the body's capacity to perform more sets, repetitions and prolong a resistance training workout (Haff et al., 2000). It will help to maintain blood glucose levels, sustain immune function, and aid in the suppressing of cortisol (Ivy & Portman, 2004).

The Anabolic Phase: The 45-Minute Optimal Window
The anabolic phase is a critical phase occurring within 45 minutes post-exercise. It is during this time that muscle cells are particularly sensitive to insulin, making it necessary to ingest the proper nutrients in order to make gains in muscle endurance and strength. If the proper nutrients are ingested 2 - 4 hours post-exercise they will not have the same effect. It is also during this time in which the anabolic hormones begin working to repair the muscle and decrease its inflammation.
Immediate ingestion of carbohydrate is important because insulin sensitivity causes the muscle cell membranes to be more permeable to glucose within 45 minutes post-exercise. This results in faster rates of glycogen storage and provides the body with enough glucose to initiate the recovery process (Burke et al., 2003). Muscle glycogen stores are replenished the fastest within the first hour after exercise. Consuming carbohydrate within an hour after exercise also helps to increase protein synthesis (Gibala, 2000).


The Growth Phase
The growth phase consists of the 18 - 20 hours post-exercise when muscle repair, growth and strength occur. According to authors Ivy and Portman, the goals of this phase are to maintain insulin sensitivity in order to continue to replenish glycogen stores and to maintain the anabolic state. Consuming a protein and carbohydrate meal within 1 - 3 hours after resistance training has a positive stimulating effect on protein synthesis (Volek, 2004).
Carbohydrate meals with moderate to high glycemic indexes are more favorable to enhance post-exercise fueling. Higher levels of glycogen storage (post-exercise) are found in individuals who have eaten high glycemic foods when compared to those that have eaten low glycemic foods (Burke et al., 2003).


U keep posting shyt from 2001 to 2004 :dead:

Im not even gonna.... :mjlol:
 

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Pre workout - I'm an am workout person so I need the kick :yeshrug:
Whey - post workout shake and/or breakfast
BCAA - don't use it as much as I should
L glutamine for the days I'm really sore
L carnitine
Glucosamine - joint support
MSM - joint support
Dandelion - if I'm holding water
Adrenal support supp - helps reduce fatigue and cortisol during the waves where I'm overworking my body


Not related to fitness/working out
Multi vitamin
Fish oil
Vitamin d
Iron

Dandelion is a great diuretic you know us black folks be holding on to water that we Inherited from our Momma side of the family via grandma :usure:

Do you prefer a particular brand for your pre and Whey
 

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U keep posting shyt from 2001 to 2004 :dead:

Im not even gonna.... :mjlol:

You do know New Mexico is a top sports science university in America, you do know what they mean to the fitness, sports science world.

No you don't, again you show yourself to be a fool
 

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You do know New Mexico is a top sports science university in America, you do know what they mean to the fitness, sports science world.

No you don't, again you show yourself to be a fool

U do know we live in 2018 and the views on fitness has changed since 2004 right?

The only fool here is u
 
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