The Official Primary Thread

[Broke Wave]

I'm not for or against Hillary, very apathetic towards her honestly, but what's wrong with being a "flip-flopper"?

As a person builds and grows in life their experiences and opinions can and will change. Things I used to be for 10 years ago, I'm not longer for today. Also new information or science can come out disproving old theories. When things like this happen, any sane person SHOULD go back and review what their accepted understandings were and reassess. Sometimes we get things wrong and we should admit that and sometimes a situation where there are no great decisions might call for a lesser evil selection. There is nothing inherently wrong about being a flip flopper, its only a problem if you cannot explain your case for switching.

Its not the flip flopping... Its the timing


Right when a poll changes, she leaves her original position. Look at TPP, medicare for all, gay marriage and the list goes on.

 

[Uncle Phil 36]

She'll win pretty easily

 

[AV Dicey]

demographics, Trump and that dying party is not winning any general election with a bunch of angry white men. To paraphrase the gentleman and scholar Shawn Corey Carter, The Donald will surely need moe people. There's a reason why all their slogans are past tense, that train been gone already.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/hill...d-series-of-presidential-debates-ever.405622/

This thread summed up my feelings quite well.

 

[Vonte3000]

Basically this, she's going to build on Obama's accomplishments. There won't be any wild shift in policies. I know y'all niccas won't admit it, but Obama does have the country in a healthy spot economically.

No...he doesn't

Things are "better" but still bad, especially for the supposed best nation in the world

 

[Vonte3000]

I get what you are saying and am not happy with Hillary but what would America under Bernie look like? Do you really think he is going to overthrow banks and multinationals and shyt

At least Bernie would try, who else even attempts do address the problem of corporations running this whole country? The way you fix something is always identifying the problem in the first place, Saying he can't do it is the same as AA saying they can't overcome white supremacy so why even try, it's a defeatists attitude

 

[Vonte3000]

That's insane, if you're not moving forward then you're moving backwards

 

[SirReginald]

demographics, Trump and that dying party is not winning any general election with a bunch of angry white men. To paraphrase the gentleman and scholar Shawn Corey Carter, The Donald will surely need moe people. There's a reason why all their slogans are past tense, that train been gone already.

........but people are switching over from Independent to Republican to vote for him though

 

[Consigliere]

........but people are switching over from Independent to Republican to vote for him though

You've really mastered the art of polite naïveté.

 

[SirReginald]

You've really mastered the art of polite naïveté.

If you say so.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

At least Bernie would try, who else even attempts do address the problem of corporations running this whole country? The way you fix something is always identifying the problem in the first place, Saying he can't do it is the same as AA saying they can't overcome white supremacy so why even try, it's a defeatists attitude

I'm not saying we shouldn't try, I just think the OP's argument is bogus. We don't know what Hillary is going to do or is capable of and we know what Bernie WANTS to do, but we don't know if he actually will be able to. So to say the US would look so much different under one or the other is just idle speculation. ESPECIALLY in the context of Republican held local/state govts and Congress.

I dont fukk with Shillary AT ALL but this is some low level thinking on the part of Bernie supporters. HL is better than this

 

[VegasCAC]

........but people are switching over from Independent to Republican to vote for him though

If you listen to him, that's the case. In reality the same amount or more
Registered republicans will abandon him. I saw a study where only 7% of Dems would cross over and vote for him and 25% of Republicans would vote for Hillary. Not to mention he won't turn out most of his base and the already unfriendly electoral map for Democrats.

But despite all that, it all comes down to demographics. No one is winning the presidency of the United States if they are only getting 15% MAX of the Latino vote.

 

[TNC]

Its not the flip flopping... Its the timing


Right when a poll changes, she leaves her original position. Look at TPP, medicare for all, gay marriage and the list goes on.

Key on my last sentence. "its only a problem if you cannot explain your case for switching". That should tell you everything you need to know.


Hillary is a Clinton, playing to what is "popular" at the time is what they do. She has no stance that a good check or a solid poll can't alter, BUT she is a known known, the devil we know. As bad as that is, its still a situation the people can manipulate when the numbers are there. Its why powerful people WANT her in charge because that makes it easier for them to get their way.

Trump may possibly be the inverse of that, but how much are you willing to risk on a loose and unstable cannon like him?

The devil you know or the devil you don't, which sounds like a more tolerable situation?

 

[No1]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/hill...d-series-of-presidential-debates-ever.405622/

This thread summed up my feelings quite well.

I'll watch the first debate to laugh and then tune out for her entire presidency. It's crazy how Clinton telling Trump to run gave her this alley oop.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

If you listen to him, that's the case. In reality the same amount or more
Registered republicans will abandon him. I saw a study where only 7% of Dems would cross over and vote for him and 25% of Republicans would vote for Hillary. Not to mention he won't turn out most of his base and the already unfriendly electoral map for Democrats.

But despite all that, it all comes down to demographics. No one is winning the presidency of the United States if they are only getting 15% MAX of the Latino vote.

And when he's forced to answer questions that will alienate him from certain demographics, he will be exposed because he'll be too scared to give a definitive answer on certain things.

Women
African Americans
Latinos

All those debates will ask him questions about things that the GOP has historically been shytty on

And the people will see him for what he is...and it will highlight a lot of the issues in America, like how a man spitting this much vitriol and hatred got THIS close to being the most powerful man in the world?