The Official Oakland Raiders Offseason thread

[Bender Rodriguez]

not sure what RFN is, probably not me. I was Neptune on hamster.

Honestly, I feel like Dennis' staff gave Pryor a fair look and chance last year. You have to remember, these guys are coaching and managing for their careers. If you were in that position, would you honestly be able to rest your future on Terrell Pryor and his throwing mechanics? Dude has talent, and we did him no favors with that offensive line last year, but he has troubles throwing a simple slant with accuracy. I wish him good luck and truly hope that McKenzie can turn this around. So far, his QB evaluation has been iffy, but like Seattle did with Whitehurst, Flynn, Wilson, you gotta keep bringing in QB's to finally find your Russell.

Carson, altho he did well with Arians in ARZ, they had a way better OLine and Fitz out there. Palmer wasn't willing to restructure his salary so he had to get let go. He ultimately took less to play for them, so you can tell he wanted out.

I'm sorry they mismanaged the fukk out of Pryor and did him wrong every chance they could. I'm not saying to put there whole future on the guy but admit yeah we fukked up and they will never do that. That's why most of us still bring him up. He has talent, he just needs that extra help and he could be something, but they would rather write him off as Al Davis being out of his mind and he is bad for the whole team, when that's not the case at all. A lot of guys rallied behind him in the locker room and fans, because he gave a fukk and cared when no one else didn't. He earned respect in a dying franchise that Allen and McKenzie have no idea, what this franchise is about. They don't understand the mentality of a Raider.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

not sure what RFN is, probably not me. I was Neptune on hamster.

Honestly, I feel like Dennis' staff gave Pryor a fair look and chance last year. You have to remember, these guys are coaching and managing for their careers. If you were in that position, would you honestly be able to rest your future on Terrell Pryor and his throwing mechanics? Dude has talent, and we did him no favors with that offensive line last year, but he has troubles throwing a simple slant with accuracy. I wish him good luck and truly hope that McKenzie can turn this around. So far, his QB evaluation has been iffy, but like Seattle did with Whitehurst, Flynn, Wilson, you gotta keep bringing in QB's to finally find your Russell.

Carson, altho he did well with Arians in ARZ, they had a way better OLine and Fitz out there. Palmer wasn't willing to restructure his salary so he had to get let go. He ultimately took less to play for them, so you can tell he wanted out.

Raiderfans.net, maybe I mis-remembered but I felt like you was on there from time to time.

If I were in Coach Allen's shoes, Pryor would've never seen the field because we all know he wasn't ready as a passer to even be on the field. The whole intention of using the supplemental pick on him was to make him a long term project which I still believe he can be. I know it's a matter of winning now, but that's what made puttin Pryor in all the more ill-advised because it was only so far that his athleticism was gonna take this offense before defenses figured it out. If its me, I invest in stop-gap QBs and have Pryor working on his passing mechanics non-stop until they are where they need to be. In the meanwhile, I tool up the defense and the OL so that my stop-gap QBs got a better shot against teams. If Pryor can't get it, then it's cool to just cut the cord.

I keep using Aaron Rodgers as an example, you in the Bay so I know you remember the bad rap that Cal QBs got for being Tedford products, the whole time Favre was in GB they had A-Rod work on his mechanics and now they have a great franchise QB for it. But we really mismanaged him badly, its out of our hands so we just gon have to hope for the best. It's very disheartening to think that these biases against Al Davis guys exists in the locker room because the old man left us some gems and we already lost a few.

Carson needed to go, we took the chance on him but he was absolutely terrible. But like you said, you gotta keep tryin until you find your QB. If Schaub works out then cool, but keeping Pryor would be great especially since at one point Schaub was known as a somewhat mobile QB so perhaps there's knowledge for TP that can be gained behind Schaub.

 

[PTBG]

Marc Sessler @MarcSesslerNFL
Reggie McKenzie says Terrelle Pryor has talked with his agent about wanting to be released by the #Raiders.

The Raiders have anointed the newly arrived Matt Schaub their starting quarterback, and they view Matt McGloin as a capable backup. So where does that leave Terrelle Pryor?

It leaves him on the way out.

Raiders General Manager Reggie McKenzie told Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News that Pryor could be traded or released soon. Meanwhile, a source tells Alex Marvez of FOX Sports that Pryor has asked to be traded.
If the player wants out, and the team is openly talking about the possibility of getting rid of him, that’s usually a pretty good sign that he won’t be with the team much longer.

Pryor started nine games last season and showed flashes of promise as a passer while running for 576 yards, second only to Cam Newton among NFL quarterbacks. But if Pryor wants to be a starter, there probably aren’t any opportunities available to him right now.

A better option would be catching on as a backup on a team that has an offense suited to mobile quarterbacks. Pryor may never be a great pocket passer, but he has the talent to be a good playmaker in the right offense. The Raiders, who are committed to Schaub, will not be that offense.

 

[PTBG]

Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Turns out there was a twist. #Raiders signed Austin Howard to play guard and not right tackle, & are hoping/expecting Watson starts at RT

Vic Tafur @VicTafur
This could all change at camp but that's the plan. Reggie McKenzie has added a lot of versatile offensive linemen & wants tough competition

 

[PTBG]

Alex Marvez @alexmarvez
Source tells @FOXSports1 that QB Terrelle Pryor has asked for trade from @Raiders - not his release - after team traded for Matt Schaub

 

[PTBG]

McKenzie said Pryor's agent has told the Raiders he wants to be a starting QB and McKenzie said that wasn't possible with the Raiders.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Raiders should of just kept their picks; draft Clowney, then sign some receivers.

 

[BayArea Breez]

I'm sorry they mismanaged the fukk out of Pryor and did him wrong every chance they could. I'm not saying to put there whole future on the guy but admit yeah we fukked up and they will never do that. That's why most of us still bring him up. He has talent, he just needs that extra help and he could be something, but they would rather write him off as Al Davis being out of his mind and he is bad for the whole team, when that's not the case at all. A lot of guys rallied behind him in the locker room and fans, because he gave a fukk and cared when no one else didn't. He earned respect in a dying franchise that Allen and McKenzie have no idea, what this franchise is about. They don't understand the mentality of a Raider.

Not sure I agree. I do agree with your points about him definitely giving a fukk when a lot of others didn't. But they went into preseason with Flynn the projected starter, but based off what Pryor was doing in PRE season, they let Pryor rock out the first half of the season. He surprised the hell out of Indy week 1, and I think a lot of the Nation see that game as "come on, give him a chance" but once teams started having their LB spy on Pryor, he had to rely on his throwing and I'm sorry but in the NFL, you can't really help a guy along for 2 seasons, let alone 1 season and teach him throwing mechanics and footwork. I love Pryor's heart and love him as a football player. I just dont love him as a quarterback, let alone the quarterback of the Raiders.

 

[King Poetic]

Not sure I agree. I do agree with your points about him definitely giving a fukk when a lot of others didn't. But they went into preseason with Flynn the projected starter, but based off what Pryor was doing in PRE season, they let Pryor rock out the first half of the season. He surprised the hell out of Indy week 1, and I think a lot of the Nation see that game as "come on, give him a chance" but once teams started having their LB spy on Pryor, he had to rely on his throwing and I'm sorry but in the NFL, you can't really help a guy along for 2 seasons, let alone 1 season and teach him throwing mechanics and footwork. I love Pryor's heart and love him as a football player. I just dont love him as a quarterback, let alone the quarterback of the Raiders.

C/S.. To many people thinking pryor can be russell wilson or kaep and it's not going to happen. as a fan i don't have time to wait another year or 2 in hopes he can be a QB. i want to win now and schaub is the best option and has proven 5 out of the last 6 years

Pryor came from ohio state where Throwing the ball wasn't a option with that squad and where's troy smith at? where is the rest of the ohio state QB's at?

 

[BayArea Breez]

Raiderfans.net, maybe I mis-remembered but I felt like you was on there from time to time.

If I were in Coach Allen's shoes, Pryor would've never seen the field because we all know he wasn't ready as a passer to even be on the field. The whole intention of using the supplemental pick on him was to make him a long term project which I still believe he can be. I know it's a matter of winning now, but that's what made puttin Pryor in all the more ill-advised because it was only so far that his athleticism was gonna take this offense before defenses figured it out. If its me, I invest in stop-gap QBs and have Pryor working on his passing mechanics non-stop until they are where they need to be. In the meanwhile, I tool up the defense and the OL so that my stop-gap QBs got a better shot against teams. If Pryor can't get it, then it's cool to just cut the cord.

I keep using Aaron Rodgers as an example, you in the Bay so I know you remember the bad rap that Cal QBs got for being Tedford products, the whole time Favre was in GB they had A-Rod work on his mechanics and now they have a great franchise QB for it. But we really mismanaged him badly, its out of our hands so we just gon have to hope for the best. It's very disheartening to think that these biases against Al Davis guys exists in the locker room because the old man left us some gems and we already lost a few.

Carson needed to go, we took the chance on him but he was absolutely terrible. But like you said, you gotta keep tryin until you find your QB. If Schaub works out then cool, but keeping Pryor would be great especially since at one point Schaub was known as a somewhat mobile QB so perhaps there's knowledge for TP that can be gained behind Schaub.

I agree with what you're saying. I definitely remember when Rodgers came out but, they had Favre. Also, they had McCarthy who's proving to be a proven commodity when developing QB's. There was no way Allen could have not played Pryor, because I'm pretty sure Mark Davis felt the pressure from the fans. Fans were screaming for Pryor, it was like a Tebow fest w/o the media attention. The Packers had the stability to let Rodgers develop and not have to deal with the fans in a way the Raiders had to because of the decade plus long playoff drought.

This coaching staff does not get enough credit. They were destined to be hated by the fans... any staff after Al Davis' passing are setup for failure. Everybody loves to bring up Hue and how we were on the verge of being a playoff team, but his team, had no discipline. He threw them under the bus, and probably wont be a HC for another 5 years unless the Bengals win a super bowl under his offense. Allen has shown stability and a player's coach. He didn't throw anybody under the bus on their way out like Rolando Mcclain, etc.

Give these guys some time, we waited 10+ already, what's another 2-3 more? The future's bright cuz they are now out of cap purgatory

 

[BayArea Breez]

Raiderfans.net, maybe I mis-remembered but I felt like you was on there from time to time.

I was on that site, but I forgot my username. It's been a couple years since I've been on, but I think I do recall building with you there and hamster concurrently

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

Not sure I agree. I do agree with your points about him definitely giving a fukk when a lot of others didn't. But they went into preseason with Flynn the projected starter, but based off what Pryor was doing in PRE season, they let Pryor rock out the first half of the season. He surprised the hell out of Indy week 1, and I think a lot of the Nation see that game as "come on, give him a chance" but once teams started having their LB spy on Pryor, he had to rely on his throwing and I'm sorry but in the NFL, you can't really help a guy along for 2 seasons, let alone 1 season and teach him throwing mechanics and footwork. I love Pryor's heart and love him as a football player. I just dont love him as a quarterback, let alone the quarterback of the Raiders.

Most good quarterbacks have had great quarterbacks starting for years and they are shown the ropes until its there time. Pryor didnt have that and he is one who would of benefited from one of those situations. Is that guaranteed for every team and every situation? No, but it doesn't hurt having him on the roster and learning from someone. Were rebuilding and going to keep rebuilding for a while, why not have someone who's passionate about the team in the rebuilding process, what worse can he do then everyone else in the last 10 years?

C/S.. To many people thinking pryor can be russell wilson or kaep and it's not going to happen. as a fan i don't have time to wait another year or 2 in hopes he can be a QB. i want to win now and schaub is the best option and has proven 5 out of the last 6 years

Pryor came from ohio state where Throwing the ball wasn't a option with that squad and where's troy smith at? where is the rest of the ohio state QB's at?

What difference does time make for us, yeah were all tired of waiting and I was one of the ones who bytched about it for years, but fukk it, there's nothing more we can do but wait until we get it right, and yeah these are good pics but McKenzie and Allen will never be the answers to a permanent solution. Schaub was great the last 5 years and hopefully i'm wrong and he is the one to bring us any kind of hope, but if he isn't i'm not going to asking any favors, he deserves to be gone like McKenzie and Allen

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

I agree with what you're saying. I definitely remember when Rodgers came out but, they had Favre. Also, they had McCarthy who's proving to be a proven commodity when developing QB's. There was no way Allen could have not played Pryor, because I'm pretty sure Mark Davis felt the pressure from the fans. Fans were screaming for Pryor, it was like a Tebow fest w/o the media attention. The Packers had the stability to let Rodgers develop and not have to deal with the fans in a way the Raiders had to because of the decade plus long playoff drought.

This coaching staff does not get enough credit. They were destined to be hated by the fans... any staff after Al Davis' passing are setup for failure. Everybody loves to bring up Hue and how we were on the verge of being a playoff team, but his team, had no discipline. He threw them under the bus, and probably wont be a HC for another 5 years unless the Bengals win a super bowl under his offense. Allen has shown stability and a player's coach. He didn't throw anybody under the bus on their way out like Rolando Mcclain, etc.

Give these guys some time, we waited 10+ already, what's another 2-3 more? The future's bright cuz they are now out of cap purgatory

Wrong, he threw Pryor under the bus multiple times, especially when shyt hit the fan.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I agree with what you're saying. I definitely remember when Rodgers came out but, they had Favre. Also, they had McCarthy who's proving to be a proven commodity when developing QB's. There was no way Allen could have not played Pryor, because I'm pretty sure Mark Davis felt the pressure from the fans. Fans were screaming for Pryor, it was like a Tebow fest w/o the media attention. The Packers had the stability to let Rodgers develop and not have to deal with the fans in a way the Raiders had to because of the decade plus long playoff drought.

This coaching staff does not get enough credit. They were destined to be hated by the fans... any staff after Al Davis' passing are setup for failure. Everybody loves to bring up Hue and how we were on the verge of being a playoff team, but his team, had no discipline. He threw them under the bus, and probably wont be a HC for another 5 years unless the Bengals win a super bowl under his offense. Allen has shown stability and a player's coach. He didn't throw anybody under the bus on their way out like Rolando Mcclain, etc.

Give these guys some time, we waited 10+ already, what's another 2-3 more? The future's bright cuz they are now out of cap purgatory

That's a good point, us fans kinda did force the issue. But imo, well run organizations don't bend to the whim of the fans it sticks to its guns. So as I said, I would've put my chips on Pryor long term and let stop gaps do the QB'ing until the time was right. The Packers had certain advantages that we don't, but I expected more of McKenzie having come from that franchise to know the opportunity that we had/have is golden with TP. Moreover, I already hated our OC anyway so Coach Allen really should've looked to get a better OC and especially a proven QB coach. Going back to one of my earlier posts, Coach Allen could of even suggested to Pryor that he has to get his passing mechanics to a starters level(which they currently aren't) if he is really serious to be the QB for the Raiders. If he was to take that advice and work hard, then we may just have our answer.

Hue was cool, I loved his offense, but he had flaws too you're right. And honestly, I loved the Allen and McKenzie hires when they were made but things have still been erratic and questionable. Plus, while it was more passive than Hue, DA did throw Pryor under the bus after giving him his endorsement earlier which really rubbed me the wrong way. My only complaint with this regime is that they aren't creative enough for my liking. I'd like for this team to compete as soon as posible so I'm in no mood to find another QB, get another offensive scheme, playmakers for that scheme, etc etc etc. Especially when our defense is a weekly rape victim in the 4th quarter of games.

I'ma give'em time tho, I hope I'm wrong on all fronts and we see this team back in the Superbowl.

I was on that site, but I forgot my username. It's been a couple years since I've been on, but I think I do recall building with you there and hamster concurrently

lol, I don't blame you. By the time I got to the hamster I was pretty much done with the people on RFN.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

They say we're lusting after Derek Carr

i dont know how to feel about this, but i do know that we won't draft him at 5th overall.