The Official Netflix Marvel's "Iron Fist" Thread

[beenz]

this show isnt as bad as theyre saying it is
18% on RT
jessica jones 93%

FOH

so far, JJ is the worst of the 4 netflix shows

not even close. JJ has luke cage in it for half the episodes. that alone makes it good.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

It was dope tho had character, served a purpose, they found a way to have it make sense, and it took advantage of the people in the cast who can genuinely sing. Also it wasn't bland

I have no problem with this but in the landscape of clowning, jokes and fukkery....... one can no longer take some of them Marvel shots without eating some of these Musical shots.

Remembers a few years ago when it was "bu bu bu bu but AOS is corny cuz of the jooooooookes" then Arrow started making more jokes, and you'll get more jokes in 15 mins of Supergirl, Flash, Legends than you will in 4 eps of any of the Netflix shows and AOS. Then its fines to have jokes or the guy that was clowning got quiet.

The goal post either gotta stop moving or its gotta be accepted that all of this is "in bounds"

Musicals is the new "dancing at the climax"

with that said my G



Martha

 

[MartyMcFly]

I have no problem with this but in the landscape of clowning, jokes and fukkery....... one can no longer take some of them Marvel shots without eating some of these Musical shots.

Remembers a few years ago when it was "bu bu bu bu but AOS is corny cuz of the jooooooookes" then Arrow started making more jokes, and you'll get more jokes in 15 mins of Supergirl, Flash, Legends than you will in 4 eps of any of the Netflix shows and AOS. Then its fines to have jokes or the guy that was clowning got quiet.

The goal post either gotta stop moving or its gotta be accepted that all of this is "in bounds"

Musicals is the new "dancing at the climax"

with that said my G



Martha

Sigh context lol breh. Context. There's no moving goal posts. At all. Here's the deal:
If your main menace and main villain is supposed to be this menacing character who wants to bend the galaxy to his/her will then it needs to be taken seriously or at least should. Which is a lot different from a villain, the music meister, is setup to be light and airy and ultimately doesn't even want to hurt the main characters but get them to realize something, it works.

Now if they said "hey Malcom Merlin is now this villain who gets arrow to sing and dance and arrow is going to challenge him to a dance off" then you have an argument if everyone accepted that. And you'd be completely right

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Sigh context lol breh. Context. There's no moving goal posts. At all. Here's the deal:
If your main menace and main villain is supposed to be this menacing character who wants to bend the galaxy to his/her will then it needs to be taken seriously or at least should. Which is a lot different from a villain, the music meister, is setup to be light and airy and ultimately doesn't even want to hurt the main characters but get them to realize something, it works.

Now if they said "hey Malcom Merlin is now this villain who gets arrow to sing and dance and arrow is going to challenge him to a dance off" then you have an argument if everyone accepted that. And you'd be completely right

But lets as best as we can keep this apples to apples.

The menacing big bad villain didn't do anything that's most try to put on him or degrade him with. It wasn't the hero..... at worst the villain was just distracted and had the the same reaction the "angry mob" viewers did (which distraction was kind of the point)

And though the villains did sing on Flash..... it was mainly about the hero singing.

How is one that's already not familiar with a particular specifies suppose to act when said species starts out the blue doing something more weird and puzzling? How can one access "is this really dangerous or not? Should I risk rushing in to attack or should I monitor this a bit more for caution?"

I think thats logical and be fair.

Martha

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Which comicbook show has done a complete musical before breh?

You missed me with that one




Martha

Stop JUST trying to hate on DC bruh it's a bad look

Acting like the entire Iron Fist season wasn't as bad as ONE fukking musical on the Flash

 

[MartyMcFly]

But lets as best as we can keep this apples to apples.

The menacing big bad villain didn't do anything that's most try to put on him or degrade him with. It wasn't the hero..... at worst the villain was just distracted and had the the same reaction the "angry mob" viewers did (which distraction was kind of the point)

And though the villains did sing on Flash..... it was mainly about the hero singing.

How is one that's already not familiar with a particular specifies suppose to act when said species starts out the blue doing something more weird and puzzling? How can one access "is this really dangerous or not? Should I risk rushing in to attack or should I monitor this a bit more for caution?"

I think thats logical and be fair.

Martha

I don't think its logical. I think if you're saying I want to destroy fools and busts caps in asses, then bust caps in asses when you have them cornered. I get the whole distraction thing but it makes your main villain look weak and stupid. And I adore the hell out of that movie and the opening scene still makes me ball my eyes out lol but that's my one issue with it. Doesn't mean it's not a dope movie and one of my favorites, I just understand the argument.

You can't take the piss out of your bad guy without having him look foolish and weak and inept. It undermines them. There's a reason Bond villains started becoming parodied to death and its that whole "monologue" thing they do, telling Bond their plan when they have him right there to kill him.

Never make your bad guy look that dumb or that stupid because it weakens your heroes thematically and character wise as well.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Stop JUST trying to hate on DC bruh it's a bad look

Acting like the entire Iron Fist season wasn't as bad as ONE fukking musical on the Flash

Nicca WHAT?? I swear if one more nicca come for me when I aint call for them?

Matter fact, I'm gonna start hitting cats wit the



My G, I just have 3 questions for you;
Why can YYM, PS, SW, 23Stp, and a few others HATE on Marvel but I cant hate on DC if thats what I choose?

What ever happened to "whats good for the goose is good for the gander?"

Where exactly am I really even "hating"?

All I really said in general was, if this one thing is gonna be eligible to get clowned, we cant give a pass to this other thing thats on the same level if not worse sillier.

You know damn well if the Avengers, Defenders, or the cast of AOS broke out instruments and started to sing/dance in the rain on the streets of NY like this was GREASE, niccas on the other side of the coin wouldnt let that slide and go completely IN on that.

Martha

 

[MartyMcFly]

Nicca WHAT?? I swear if one more nicca come for me when I aint call for them?

Matter fact, I'm gonna start hitting cats wit the



My G, I just have 3 questions for you;
Why can YYM, PS, SW, 23Stp, and a few others HATE on Marvel but I cant hate on DC if thats what I choose?

What ever happened to "whats good for the goose is good for the gander?"

Where exactly am I really even "hating"?

All I really said in general was, if this one thing is gonna be eligible to get clowned, we cant give a pass to this other thing thats on the same level if not worse sillier.

You know damn well if the Avengers, Defenders, or the cast of AOS broke out instruments and started to sing/dance in the rain on the streets of NY like this was GREASE, niccas on the other side of the coin wouldnt let that slide and go completely IN on that.

Martha

Again breh lol because Flash and Supergirl have presented themselves as shows and narratives where its possible for a villain to put them in comas and have them fantasize a musical. It makes sense within the worlds they've created so no one blinks an eye. The Avengers and the Defenders (from what we've seen) are not in that type of construct so again like i said to you earlier, it's not an apples to apples comparison you're making and you're missing context to make an argument that you can't win. Now had you said "Arrow" did that shyt and it got a pass, then yes I'd agree with you wholeheartedly

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Again breh lol because Flash and Supergirl have presented themselves as shows and narratives where its possible for a villain to put them in comas and have them fantasize a musical. It makes sense within the worlds they've created so no one blinks an eye. The Avengers and the Defenders (from what we've seen) are not in that type of construct so again like i said to you earlier, it's not an apples to apples comparison you're making and you're missing context to make an argument that you can't win. Now had you said "Arrow" did that shyt and it got a pass, then yes I'd agree with you wholeheartedly

Oh no!!!!

I was in mid reply.... I'm responding to your other post just wait!!!

Nicca making me COMMAND+X my post just to hit you up really quick.... Oh I aint forgot about you, dont double down just yet

Martha

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I don't think its logical. I think if you're saying I want to destroy fools and busts caps in asses, then bust caps in asses when you have them cornered. I get the whole distraction thing but it makes your main villain look weak and stupid. And I adore the hell out of that movie and the opening scene still makes me ball my eyes out lol but that's my one issue with it. Doesn't mean it's not a dope movie and one of my favorites, I just understand the argument.

You can't take the piss out of your bad guy without having him look foolish and weak and inept. It undermines them. There's a reason Bond villains started becoming parodied to death and its that whole "monologue" thing they do, telling Bond their plan when they have him right there to kill him.

Never make your bad guy look that dumb or that stupid because it weakens your heroes thematically and character wise as well.

I kinda get that, but then I've seen in real life like on them NatGeo shows when a predator was in route to "destroy fools and busts caps" per say and the "prey" in turn does something completely weird and out of character and it makes the Prey pause for a moment and lots cases either retreat or allow the prey to escape

Also, you're suspension of disbelief wavers a bit too much. Ok, I get it we can accept that all lifeforms can breath the same oxygen as humans and speak english. But where did we get info that these aliens been to earth and know what music, dancing is and even know this is something that is really non lethal? Hell half oh his own alien team didnt know what he was doing, but one was just smart enough to capitalize



Now if you're ready, lets start this convo on MOS and Green Lantern and let me defend and convince you that those are REALLY good movies, especially the Latter (low key.... I liked Green Lantern a little more than GOTG)

Martha

 

[MartyMcFly]

I kinda get that, but then I've seen in real life like on them NatGeo shows when a predator was in route to "destroy fools and busts caps" per say and the "prey" in turn does something completely weird and out of character and it makes the Prey pause for a moment and lots cases either retreat or allow the prey to escape

Also, you're suspension of disbelief wavers a bit too much. Ok, I get it we can accept that all lifeforms can breath the same oxygen as humans and speak english. But where did we get info that these aliens been to earth and know what music, dancing is and even know this is something that is really non lethal? Hell half oh his own alien team didnt know what he was doing, but one was just smart enough to capitalize



Now if you're ready, lets start this convo on MOS and Green Lantern and let me defend and convince you that those are REALLY good movies, especially the Latter (low key.... I liked Green Lantern a little more than GOTG)

Martha

I feel you but i just disagree wholeheartedly. And thats not about this movie its about films in general. It's just a bad writing technique. You can get away with it when everything else works but you shouldn't make a habit of it.

And I fukk with man of steel. Less so in recent years but I do fukk with it. And nah, no green lantern. That shyt is horrid. It has some moments but there's no drama, no villain to speak of, and no compelling arc for the hero. And they don't even give the coolest stuff (the space shyt) the most time

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I feel you but i just disagree wholeheartedly. And thats not about this movie its about films in general. It's just a bad writing technique. You can get away with it when everything else works but you shouldn't make a habit of it.

And I fukk with man of steel. Less so in recent years but I do fukk with it. And nah, no green lantern. That shyt is horrid. It has some moments but there's no drama, no villain to speak of, and no compelling arc for the hero. And they don't even give the coolest stuff (the space shyt) the most time

I disagree with some of the stuff you said related to GL, I think everything in Oa was cool, I think his use of powers was cool and I thought RR played Hal really good.

Like I think the 1st thing about a super hero move... heavy emphasis on the word HERO is you have to have a likeable hero and RR just that. I get the villain can be compelling but these movies need to ALWAYS be carried by the HERO who essentially is the leading actor and top billed star. I think its mistake to accept and hope that the 2nd or 3rd billed co-star is the best thing in the movie which luckily only 2 movies get a pass with that... the Nolan movies.

Deadpool and Logan thumped that "bu bu bu but the villain MUST BE SCORSESE level" ideology

If I was DC I would EASILY call RR back to reclaim his role and I'd NEVER put whatever negative shyt on him and solely on him. He was the best thing in that movie and to me, thats doing his job

Martha

 

[MartyMcFly]

I disagree with some of the stuff you said related to GL, I think everything in Oa was cool, I think his use of powers was cool and I thought RR played Hal really good.

Like I think the 1st thing about a super hero move... heavy emphasis on the word HERO is you have to have a likeable hero and RR just that. I get the villain can be compelling but these movies need to ALWAYS be carried by the HERO who essentially is the leading actor and top billed star. I think its mistake to accept and hope that the 2nd or 3rd billed co-star is the best thing in the movie which luckily only 2 movies get a pass with that... the Nolan movies.

Deadpool and Logan thumped that "bu bu bu but the villain MUST BE SCORSESE level" ideology

If I was DC I would EASILY call RR back to reclaim his role and I'd NEVER put whatever negative shyt on him and solely on him. He was the best thing in that movie and to me, thats doing his job

Martha

And i said the hero didn't have a compelling journey. Ryan is good at playing a likable guy but he didn't do shyt to make me care about him or have any kind of arc. Likable is great, that's awesome. but there has to be a story for him and again, something compelling. I don't give a fukk how good he is. Again, story and writing. You're looking at it purely for that aspect and I get that but you're ignoring everything else a good story needs and green lantern lacked all of that. Thats what I mean by drama. Drama doesn't always mean the hero in jeopardy but just the shyt going on in it. Like what exactly was dramatic about anything going on with Hal? I didn't see anything. Nor did I say anything bad about the villain other than the movie didn't really have one which is true. The movie was confused about who the true threat was and what Hal's purpose was, which again, basic shyt. Even in Logan and Deadpool, there is a clear threat and a clear focus for both of those cats. Deadpool is all about revenge, Logan is all about trying to get out of the path of the bad guy but also dealing with is own internal demons and when it's done well, it shines. Green Lantern doesn't have any of that.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

And i said the hero didn't have a compelling journey. Ryan is good at playing a likable guy but he didn't do shyt to make me care about him or have any kind of arc. Likable is great, that's awesome. but there has to be a story for him and again, something compelling. I don't give a fukk how good he is. Again, story and writing. You're looking at it purely for that aspect and I get that but you're ignoring everything else a good story needs and green lantern lacked all of that. Thats what I mean by drama. Drama doesn't always mean the hero in jeopardy but just the shyt going on in it. Like what exactly was dramatic about anything going on with Hal? I didn't see anything. Nor did I say anything bad about the villain other than the movie didn't really have one which is true. The movie was confused about who the true threat was and what Hal's purpose was, which again, basic shyt. Even in Logan and Deadpool, there is a clear threat and a clear focus for both of those cats. Deadpool is all about revenge, Logan is all about trying to get out of the path of the bad guy but also dealing with is own internal demons and when it's done well, it shines. Green Lantern doesn't have any of that.

I think Hal's journey was about growth. Thats a tool a lot of good stories use.

Initially after his dad died, he was just a class clown type cat that at heart was still kind of a coward that would run from a real fight if it got too tough (kinda reminds me of certain posters who run from other cats via the ignore feature but then put up a facade of toughness), he also had commitment issues to pretty much everything. His drama was overcoming his own fear and ego. I think that focus was accomplished.

I cared more for Hal Jordan than I did for Deadpool

I feel you about your feelings for "story" but at the end of the day its a comic book movie man, it doesnt NEED Academy Award eligible story lines. I mean if they do get that then good like.... icing or layers of fudge on a brownie, but it shouldnt be mandatory. For these movies I think the Action, Fun factor, and main character should take a little more emphasis over this compelling story,

Just make something thats efficient and works.

I know cats wanna pych evaluate Logan and Deadpool like they are some complex things but at heart they are 2 simple tales. One of Redeption/Protection and one of Revenge and being that they are so simplistic is probably a big reason as to why there were so successful verses other movies that tried too many things and just got lost in their own shyt.



Martha

 

[MartyMcFly]

I think Hal's journey was about growth. Thats a tool a lot of good stories use.

Initially after his dad died, he was just a class clown type cat that at heart was still kind of a coward that would run from a real fight if it got too tough (kinda reminds me of certain posters who run from other cats via the ignore feature but then put up a facade of toughness), he also had commitment issues to pretty much everything. His drama was overcoming his own fear and ego. I think that focus was accomplished.

I cared more for Hal Jordan than I did for Deadpool

I feel you about your feelings for "story" but at the end of the day its a comic book movie man, it doesnt NEED Academy Award eligible story lines. I mean if they do get that then good like.... icing or layers of fudge on a brownie, but it shouldnt be mandatory. For these movies I think the Action, Fun factor, and main character should take a little more emphasis over this compelling story,

Just make something thats efficient and works.

I know cats wanna pych evaluate Logan and Deadpool like they are some complex things but at heart they are 2 simple tales. One of Redeption/Protection and one of Revenge and being that they are so simplistic is probably a big reason as to why there were so successful verses other movies that tried too many things and just got lost in their own shyt.



Martha

Dude dude dude lol don't give me the whole "its a comic book movie!" argument because that doesn't mean you don't do basic story shyt. Green Lantern ignores storytelling 101, shyt any of us can learn in a basic high school creative writing class. That's the point I'm making and you're missing. Was Hal a good dude? Sure. Did he do anything to explain to me why he was heroic? Nah not at all. That's not academy award level shyt that's basics. Main character with a journey and an arc. Drama between characters. Coherent story logic and coherent story. That's shyt my 6th grade english teacher taught me, but somehow this movie ignored all of that. There's a reason it didn't work and it was because it was all over the place and it gave no reason to give a fukk. When you throw in the muddled antagonist and the lack of real conflict, which is something else Ms. Hall would've went ape shyt on them for, you end up with a bad movie. I don't give a fukk about an oscar worthy script. I'm looking forward to Fast 8 next month and i know i won't get an oscar level script with that, but i do know it'll be coherent, the characters will be clearly drawn, the motivations will be clear, the stakes will be clear, and it will adhere to just basic writing tools that any 12 year old knows. There's no real character to speak of in that movie, EXCEPT the stuff on Oa and it's shortchanged. That's the coolest most interesting part of the movie and they pay it no attention.