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[storyteller]

Is Aldo top 5 all time?

He arguably has the greatest resume of all time and if he wrecks mcgoober i think hes the goat

I take Jon Jones in the GOAT talk over everyone. Anderson, GSP and Fedor seem like locks to me (though each has flaws that could be called out). That leaves a spot for Aldo to compete for, I'm partial to some of the older generation guys like Chuck Liddell and Bas Rutten before him though. Aldo is top 10 all time for me, so don't get me wrong, but I have him a tier below the top four.

 

[OfTheCross]

I take Jon Jones in the GOAT talk over everyone. Anderson, GSP and Fedor seem like locks to me (though each has flaws that could be called out). That leaves a spot for Aldo to compete for, I'm partial to some of the older generation guys like Chuck Liddell and Bas Rutten before him though. Aldo is top 10 all time for me, so don't get me wrong, but I have him a tier below the top four.

You trippin, bruh. Just off the fact that you're putting Liddell in GOAT talk invalidates your list, meng. You can talk about them as pioneers.

Jon gotta do it longer to be GOAT status. Jose, GSP, Anderson are locks.

 

[storyteller]

You trippin, bruh. Just off the fact that you're putting Liddell in GOAT talk invalidates your list, meng. You can talk about them as pioneers.

Jon gotta do it longer to be GOAT status. Jose, GSP, Anderson are locks.

Fifth breh, not GOAT. I said Jones, GSP, Fedor and Anderson are the locks for me. That's 4 spots and then the rest are a tier below. Aldo, Liddell, Rutten all fall below the GOAT convo group. Those dudes came in a different era so it's hard to compare them fairly to the later generations; but they deserve mention for impacting the sport.

 

[NasirJr]

I take Jon Jones in the GOAT talk over everyone. Anderson, GSP and Fedor seem like locks to me (though each has flaws that could be called out). That leaves a spot for Aldo to compete for, I'm partial to some of the older generation guys like Chuck Liddell and Bas Rutten before him though. Aldo is top 10 all time for me, so don't get me wrong, but I have him a tier below the top four.

Fifth breh, not GOAT. I said Jones, GSP, Fedor and Anderson are the locks for me. That's 4 spots and then the rest are a tier below. Aldo, Liddell, Rutten all fall below the GOAT convo group. Those dudes came in a different era so it's hard to compare them fairly to the later generations; but they deserve mention for impacting the sport.

I disagree so much.

Jose has literally ran a division for damn near a decade and its not like he fought bums he's fought some of the best. He is literally the first and only FW champ in UFC history.

 

[Ari Gold Bawse]

He's not Ubereem anymore:

jesus he looks like hes going through chemo

 

[The Infamous]

Classic WEC Aldo:



That post fight celebration

 

[Roman Brady]

Finally got a chance to see the Korea card.

Solid performance from Benson, and it was cool to see the fans getting behind him. I thought they might be a little

He is a half way go#%

 

[Roman Brady]

Veteran referee 'Big' John McCarthy will receive $1,900 for UFC 194 main event Aldo vs McGregor

you know he gets paid by Nevada not the UFC right? Almost 2 grand for one nights work would be like hitting the jackpot for many

 

[Willy Waffle]

i had no idea thug rose was a +150 underdog against paige van zantfor the fight this thursday. this shyt just shocked me because i think this fight is gonna be a barnburner for rose, sub in round 1 or 2. imo paige don't have the grappling/wrestling like esparza has, esparza just wore out rose and pummeled her on the ground. paige is still green though standing, rose is just better all round in that area. i gotta hit that bookie up asap tomorrow

overeem taking it back to 03 overeem

 

[OfTheCross]

Bruh

 

[DaveyDave]

just saw that Jon Jones shyt on facebook, there's one with Holly too. they tryna get Condit & Cowboy to do one

 

[storyteller]

I disagree so much.

Jose has literally ran a division for damn near a decade and its not like he fought bums he's fought some of the best. He is literally the first and only FW champ in UFC history.

Put it this way, he's fought some of the best but he also had mixed levels of competition that come with a developing division. He's got the longevity, dominance and a nice resume but his resume of wins doesn't far exceed the guys who fought in and dominated developing divisions with big name wins and then some throw aways. He has a strong case for fifth all time, but I wouldn't put him above the top four. I'll fully admit I'm biased though, I remember Liddell and Rua's dominance and Bas Rutten's iconic performances but I was growing up watching them. Aldo's dominance happened at a point where I'm tougher to please.

Aldo's top five opponents imo: Franky, Faber, Mendes, Florian, Brown....I'd say 2 HOF locks and 2 debatables (3 champions including WEC since it's the only fair way to judge FW's)
Liddell: Couture, Ortiz, Belfort (in his juicing prime), Overeem and Sobral... 3 HOF locks and 1 long shot HOF'er (3 champions)
Rua: Rampage, Lyoto, Overeem, Liddell, Griffin or Little Nog (it's a who's who of the best LHW's of his prime and after his prime)

The guys I put a notch above
Jones: Rampage, Rua, Vitor, Cormier and one of Lyoto or Rashad...probably got 6 HOF'ers (6 champions)
GSP: Hughes, Penn, Diaz, Hendricks and Condit...3 HOF'ers and a couple of guys that have a ways to go (2 UFC champions and 2 WEC champions with Diaz also holding the Strikeforce belt)
Silva: Franklin, Belfort, Diaz, Griffin, Sonnen (3 champions and 2 WEC champs)
Fedor: Crocop, Big Nog, Coleman, Sylvia and Arlovski (adding the last two since they held UFC titles but a lot of his resume is at that level imo; 4 champions plus a grand prix winner)

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Is Aldo top 5 all time?

He arguably has the greatest resume of all time and if he wrecks mcgoober i think hes the goat

I think he's already top 5 p4p of all time. If he beats Conor he definitely is. I'm very biased about Aldo, but I think he has one of the best resumes in the sport's history. I wonder how long he'll fight if he wins this weekend. Honestly I think he wants to retire sooner than later.

Put it this way, he's fought some of the best but he also had mixed levels of competition that come with a developing division. He's got the longevity, dominance and a nice resume but his resume of wins doesn't far exceed the guys who fought in and dominated developing divisions with big name wins and then some throw aways. He has a strong case for fifth all time, but I wouldn't put him above the top four. I'll fully admit I'm biased though, I remember Liddell and Rua's dominance and Bas Rutten's iconic performances but I was growing up watching them. Aldo's dominance happened at a point where I'm tougher to please.

That's a well thought out argument. Would you at least say he's the best ever below 170 lbs?

everytime i try to watch Bellator i can't get through it. it just seems like a joke, they have some great guys in there (none i could name off the top of my head) but they seem to make mismatches all the time. plus the fact they're always getting UFC's sloppy seconds who the fukk wants to watch a Shamrock vs Gracie fight these days? really? Tito vs Bonnar?

Bellator is like 2 promotions. It's weird. On one hand they're a pretty solid promotion that tries to put on competitive fights, and then on the other hand they have the freakshow fight and pro wrestling element sort of rolled up into one. I think that Scott Coker is trying to use the pro wrestling and freak show fight element to get enough views and asses in the seats until they can get some more competitive fighters. If they just had a few of some top 10 division guys over there, they could start to be more of a player. I hope Viacom doesn't look at the short term game the way they did with Glory and cut Bellator early. Bellator has potential IMO.

 

[LinusCaldwell]

In Vegas right now brehs. I ran into King Mo while checking into MGM last night.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Fifth breh, not GOAT. I said Jones, GSP, Fedor and Anderson are the locks for me. That's 4 spots and then the rest are a tier below. Aldo, Liddell, Rutten all fall below the GOAT convo group. Those dudes came in a different era so it's hard to compare them fairly to the later generations; but they deserve mention for impacting the sport.

That's a solid list. IMO you gotta have Jones, GSP, and Silva on the GOAT list. The LHW strap was a game of hot potato before Jones got it. I can actually see arguments against Fedor, but he's one of my 3 personal favorite fighters ever and I think there are good reasons for him being top 5 all time p4p. I also think the cage really threw Fedor off. He's a ring fighter without a doubt. The way he tried to get out of that Werdum triangle and ran right into the cage just showed me he really didn't have that cage awareness.

Do you think the Silva PED issue takes anything away from him? I don't, but I'm also a bit of a Silva stan.

Serra changed GSP forever and he went from dominating and killing guys like Trigg, Sherk, and Huges to being more of a safe fighter, but he may have the most impressive resume on your list. Avenged his only two losses ever and is one of the only people to be active through 3 eras of 170 fighters. He got gifted with his last fight, but a win is a win I guess.

I really hate BJ Penn isn't on that list. Sometimes I wonder if he could've done it if he had stayed with the Marinovich brothers and/or stayed at 155 instead of trying to fight above his weight all the time. I don't know why he fought Rory, Fitch, and Diaz. Marinovich BJ Penn was special. I'm salty but he got robbed in that 1st Edgar fight and I think he could've beat Edgar in that 2nd fight if he would've tried to go to the floor. The 3rd I don't know wtf was going on.