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The one gut feeling thing that you disagreed with him on you said " I dont really agree with Amare being phased out" Whats the need for the really in that sentence. You agree with most of all his lin shyt so what did you agree with since you said most off all clearly theirs somethings you dont agree with. If your gonna defend a poster and his opinions you have to specifically say what opinions you agree with. I thought everyone knew this but yea lets continue talking about the knicks.. as if that wasnt what we were doing in the first place:comeon:
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Anyway, I think opinions on Amare have been based on his having a max contract, and the MVP caliber half season he had before Melo came, instead of what we actually saw and the circumstances surrounding that. The lockout had a ton of varied effects on a bunch of players around the league. Amare was going into the season rehabbing off a back injury, minus Chauncey Billups who had shown the veteran leadership to execute a gameplan with offensive players the caliber of Stat and Melo. The small stretch of games where Melo, Lin and Stat were all healthy later in the season is the stretch that told me the most of what to expect this year. Amare seemed to have his legs back under him and was finishing strong at the basket. His jumper was never really on all year, but it was dropping more consistently. Most importantly, Melo was playing very well with Amare on the floor and was hitting him with crisp, accurate passes. The narrative on Melo is that he's a ball stopper and a chucker, but he's an above average, and willing, passer once he has confidence in your ability and willingness to score. I distinctly remember Melo trying to get others involved during that point forward phase and nobody being willing to pull the trigger so he'd end up taking the shot. I see Stat getting a ton of easy baskets either off PnR or Melo dishing it off. If Amare's jumper comes back, and he fully rehabs his back this offseason, I can genuinely see him being an All Star.
 

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amare just had one bad season
ONE

and everyone is so ready to throw him under da bus and jump the gun


17-8 in a lockout season where he was hurt, lost his brother and was on a team dat had multiple line up changes and injuries, had two different coaches, 4 different point guards and just general disarray and drama all season

isiah thomas done brainwashed some of yall to overeact, find a scapegoat, and make rash decisions.
still hasnt worn off
 

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amare just had one bad season
ONE

and everyone is so ready to throw him under da bus and jump the gun


17-8 in a lockout season where he was hurt, lost his brother and was on a team dat had multiple line up changes and injuries, had two different coaches, 4 different point guards and just general disarray and drama all season

isiah thomas done brainwashed some of yall to overeact, find a scapegoat, and make rash decisions.
still hasnt worn off

17/7 is a career year for a lot of players. :heh:

Roy Hibbert averages 12/8, makes the all star team and now is offered max money. Amare has a good track record of coming back after going through some adversity.
 

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Exactly a lot of people wanted lin etc I was ok with Felton but thats over. We have a gOod team melo balling out in the Olympics with Tyson and instead of being amped he's just raining on not even a parade we not even that hyped but a Picnic or something .

What was melo final stat line? I couldn't follow the whole game
 

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17/7 is a career year for a lot of players. :heh:

Roy Hibbert averages 12/8, makes the all star team and now is offered max money. Amare has a good track record of coming back after going through some adversity.

Exactly . Im going with his track record it's not like he went down with a back injury like Dwight and had to get surgery . He finished the season said why he looked less than last year :yeshrug: now let's see what he can do
 

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The one gut feeling thing that you disagreed with him on you said " I dont really agree with Amare being phased out" Whats the need for the really in that sentence. You agree with most of all his lin shyt so what did you agree with since you said most off all clearly theirs somethings you dont agree with. If your gonna defend a poster and his opinions you have to specifically say what opinions you agree with. I thought everyone knew this but yea lets continue talking about the knicks.. as if that wasnt what we were doing in the first place:comeon:

My Dude, You Really Gonna Gonna Go ON And On Crying About Me Agreeing AND Disagree With Something Someone Said? Kick fukking Rocks And Get Off My dikk, For Real.

Why So Sensitive? You Actually MAD That I Agree On Certain Things With A Dude I Have A Track Record Of Disagreeing With??

My Opinion Cant Ruin Your Day, Doesn't Cost You Money, And Has No Effect On Ya Family So Why So Touchy?
 

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Idan Ravin, the man behind Carmelo's training

While Carmelo Anthony was in Las Vegas about a week ago, Mike Woodson came out to check on his star player and see how he looked on the court.

Melo told ESPN New York that his head coach was very pleased with what he saw.

"He said I was way ahead of schedule," said Anthony, who was pushed by Woody to get into top shape during the offseason. "I think it was big for him to actually be here and just see the work that myself and Tyson [Chandler] has put into the commitment of USA basketball and the commitment of making ourselves better physically, see where we're at mentally. Just to have him here, it was big for him, it was big for us to see that support."

For Melo, that meant losing 12 pounds (he now roughly weighs 239) and gaining more quickness -- on top of his strength -- thanks to renowned NBA trainer Idan Ravin, who's worked one-on-one with nearly half of Team USA, including Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Blake Griffin. That doesn't include Dwyane Wade and Dwight Howard, who were left off the roster due to injuries. In addition, he's trained Amare Stoudemire.

About two weeks after the Knicks' season ended, Ravin met Anthony in the Los Angeles area to begin offseason training at an undisclosed gym. Occasionally, Paul, J.R. Smith, his brother, Chris, and Griffin joined the workouts, and they also played pickup games on UCLA's campus. Ravin, who was first introduced to Anthony through word of mouth before his rookie year with the Nuggets in 2003, said that two-week break is very important.

"The end of season is always a little abrupt, emotionally and physically," he said. "Everybody wants to play a little bit longer. So you give them time to get their head back and see what they want for next year."

Ravin said that Anthony was well-prepared for last season -- "1,000 percent he was in great shape" -- but wrist, groin and hamstring injuries forced him to play through pain and miss 11 regular-season games.

"What do you think happens when you get those injuries?" Ravin said. "You can't run, you can't play, you have to sit, it's hard. He gets affected."

Therefore, Ravin's big focus was getting Anthony to feel lighter on his feet for the Olympics and the 2012-13 season.

"It's better on the joints," he said.

Ravin also took into account how Woodson and the Knicks' training staff were pushing Anthony to get into better shape. To reach that goal, Ravin started with Anthony's diet, as he believes that "sometimes food is counter-intuitive." Many of Melo's toughest critics say that he's not diligent and plays overweight, but Ravin downplayed that notion entirely. He said they're missing something.

"You forget that under his jersey, he wears a lot of that compression-type stuff, and he wears a lot of that protection-type sleeves around his stomach, so it makes him look a little bit wider and thicker," he said. "But he's not fat a--, man. He's a world-class athlete, so he's always very detailed with his diet, with his conditioning. Remember, too, the season's long and it wears on you. Sometimes that's where the fatigue sets in."

On the court, Ravin focused on refining and adding moves to Anthony's game. In addition, they worked a lot on athletic development and improving his efficiency offensively and defensively. Ravin called the NBA "not a league of hugs and kisses" and that players "have to maintain that edge, especially when they're on top, because everyone's always gunning for you."

Ravin provided a breakdown of his work with Melo:

"We focused a lot on agility, quickness, stability, power, basketball and conditioning -- integrated stuff," he said. "There's a lot of focus on [the] mental component, beyond the court, such as meditation and reading books. It doesn't happen quickly; it happens over the course of a career. The goal ultimately is self-empowerment and improvement.

"Some people think, 'Oh, you train the athlete for an hour.' No, average trainers do that. To train the world's best athletes, you have to be a presence in their life all year -- even off the court. With each of these athletes, it's thousands of text messages, and time with them, and lunch and travel. You wear many different hats in order to fulfill that purpose -- being a mentor, being an adviser, being a friend and being a trainer."

Ravin said that Anthony will continue to work with him after the Olympics, and he only expects great things from him next season.

"I always found him to be really well-prepared, so when camp starts, I'm 100 percent certain he's always one of those guys that will be in good condition and his game will be solid and he's improved from the year before," he said. "I've never been worried about that."
 

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My Dude, You Really Gonna Gonna Go ON And On Crying About Me Agreeing AND Disagree With Something Someone Said? Kick fukking Rocks And Get Off My dikk, For Real.

Why So Sensitive? You Actually MAD That I Agree On Certain Things With A Dude I Have A Track Record Of Disagreeing With??

My Opinion Cant Ruin Your Day, Doesn't Cost You Money, And Has No Effect On Ya Family So Why So Touchy?

Whoa some1 is extra sensitive pull ur panties up u luigi looking muthafucca. Go find some spaghetti sauce because clearly your a bytch. Go head talk tough on the internet. You really that mad:umad: cuz i exposed ur bytchassness:takedat: and other posters seen it? No1 dont give a fucc about ur opinion Luigi, I was just showing how your a CLOWN. Which wasn't hard to do at all.
 

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Whoa some1 is extra sensitive pull ur panties up u luigi looking muthafucca. Go find some spaghetti sauce because clearly your a bytch. Go head talk tough on the internet. You really that mad:umad: cuz i exposed ur bytchassness:takedat: and other posters seen it? No1 dont give a fucc about ur opinion Luigi, I was just showing how your a CLOWN. Which wasn't hard to do at all.

Dude Do You Heard Yourself? Luigi? Spaghetti? How Old Are You Son? lol Then You Got The Nerve To Talk About Getting "Tough" On The Internet.

No Wonder Why Someone Put Ya Dumbass In The Red. :heh:
 

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Dude Do You Heard Yourself? Luigi? Spaghetti? How Old Are You Son? lol Then You Got The Nerve To Talk About Getting "Tough" On The Internet.

No Wonder Why Someone Put Ya Dumbass In The Red. :heh:
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Clearly u take the coli too far into real life. Fucc u care about if im in red? Get off my dikk..Clearly I'm old enough because you know who Luigi is. Telling some1 get off your dikk because you got mad because you looked like a clown during a basketball discussion? I don't have to get tough on the internet. Im tough in real life and if you said that to me in real life ud have my hand print on your face. Believe that. Im from brooklyn your from the bronx Luigi it wouldnt be that hard.Watch your mouth tuff guy
 

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Dude Do You Heard Yourself? Luigi? Spaghetti? How Old Are You Son? lol Then You Got The Nerve To Talk About Getting "Tough" On The Internet.

No Wonder Why Someone Put Ya Dumbass In The Red. :heh:
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Clearly u take the coli too far into real life. Fucc u care about if im in red? Get off my dikk..Clearly I'm old enough because you know who Luigi is. Telling some1 get off your dikk because you got mad because you looked like a clown during a basketball discussion? I don't have to get tough on the internet. Im tough in real life and if you said that to me in real life ud have my hand print on your face. Believe that. Im from brooklyn your from the bronx Luigi it wouldnt be that hard.Watch your mouth tuff guy


More Internet Tough Talk :laugh:

Son, You Just Dapped Up A Reply Filled With A Bunch Of Guesses Right After Down Talking Another Guy Who Made A Bunch Of Guesses

Why Is obarth More Right About His "Guesses" Then Trip Is About His?

Dude Said "IF Melo Can Do This" And "IF Stat Can Do That" And You Dapped It Up Like He's Miss Cleo

He's Just Like Trip, A Man With A Opinion, He Could Be Right, He Could Be Wrong, So Could Trip
 

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More Internet Tough Talk :laugh:

Son, You Just Dapped Up A Reply Filled With A Bunch Of Guesses Right After Down Talking Another Guy Who Made A Bunch Of Guesses

Why Is obarth More Right About His "Guesses" Then Trip Is About His?

Dude Said "IF Melo Can Do This" And "IF Stat Can Do That" And You Dapped It Up Like He's Miss Cleo

He's Just Like Trip, A Man With A Opinion, He Could Be Right, He Could Be Wrong, So Could Trip

Listen dont try to talk basketball with me now Luigi we past that point when u tried to get tough. Obarth had reasoning but he can speak for himself and why you concerned about what I dapped?? :huhldup: Just watch your mouth I already said I thought you were a OK poster before you jumped out the window. Like I told you before I keep it real 24/7, trust me I don't think you want to find out.
You can if you bout dat life
Im actually not one of these dudes who hide behind a computer screen. Anyway our convo is done. Keep it moving :win:
 

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Listen dont try to talk basketball with me now Luigi we past that point when u tried to get tough. Obarth had reasoning but he can speak for himself and why you concerned about what I dapped?? :huhldup: Just watch your mouth I already said I thought you were a OK poster before you jumped out the window. Like I told you before I keep it real 24/7, trust me I don't think you want to find out. Im actually not one of these dudes who hide behind a computer screen. Anyway our convo is done. Keep it moving :win:

Son, It's Not My Fault Im More Evolved Then You, I Understand You're Still A Dusty Ass Street Cat That Gotta Wake Up And Get His Hands Dirty Every Morning But Dont Take It Out On Me, I Didn't Put You In This Life Predicament.

You Can Make Ya Lil Jokes All You Want But Soon As You Log Off, The Real Punchline Is The Life You Live. That Angry Steez You Carry Around This Board Aint Nothing But A Front. You're A Puppy, I Seen Too Many Dudes Like You Get Exposed on These Boards, The Toughest Talkers Are The Biggest Losers, You're Not An Exception.

You Have My Permission To Speak Knicks In Here But If You Wanna Pop Off Like An Idiot There's A Lakers Thread ThatWill Welcome You With Open Arms.

One Thing We Can Agree On Though, This Convo Is Done :win:
 

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Listen dont try to talk basketball with me now Luigi we past that point when u tried to get tough. Obarth had reasoning but he can speak for himself and why you concerned about what I dapped?? :huhldup: Just watch your mouth I already said I thought you were a OK poster before you jumped out the window. Like I told you before I keep it real 24/7, trust me I don't think you want to find out.
You can if you bout dat life
Im actually not one of these dudes who hide behind a computer screen. Anyway our convo is done. Keep it moving :win:

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