The Official Knicks offseason thread

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Kurt is gonna play the goon role. Crazy Eyes is gonna lay dudes out

 

[Prodyson]

Woodson likes vets and Kurt Thomas can play defense and hit open jumpers. He'll get burn.

Over who though?

You're right he does like Vets. He's also good for only playing 7 or 8 guys in a game.

The only way Kurt Thomas sees significant playing time is if Novak isn't playing well. Otherwise I don't see anyone getting burn other than

Kidd/Felton
JR/Shumpert
Melo/Novak
Camby/Amare
Chandler

Prigioni, James White, and Kurt Thomas will probably be riding the pine unless someone just isn't coming through during the game.

 

[mbewane]

Woodson likes vets and Kurt Thomas can play defense and hit open jumpers. He'll get burn.

Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Don't get me wrong these recruits are all serviceable IMO (but getting back Felton is still a move to me) but bringing back these old guys (forgot about Kidd too) doenst bode well for the future, hell even for this year if we get too many injuries.

 

[ThaBronxBully]

Over who though?

You're right he does like Vets. He's also good for only playing 7 or 8 guys in a game.

The only way Kurt Thomas sees significant playing time is if Novak isn't playing well. Otherwise I don't see anyone getting burn other than

Kidd/Felton
JR/Shumpert
Melo/Novak
Camby/Amare
Chandler

Prigioni, James White, and Kurt Thomas will probably be riding the pine unless someone just isn't coming through during the game.

Camby Is Backing Up Tyson, Kurt Backs Up Amar'e, Shumpert Isnt Available Till Jan-Feb

 

[Trip]

Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Don't get me wrong these recruits are all serviceable IMO (but getting back Felton is still a move to me) but bringing back these old guys (forgot about Kidd too) doenst bode well for the future, hell even for this year if we get too many injuries.

we are living and dying with Melo and Jr Smith.

Didnt that already not work in Denver?

 

[Trip]

wow....

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As the clock ticks down to the Knicks’ Jeremy Lin deadline, they need to consider an option that seriously reduces the risk of paying such a mammoth luxury tax bill in 2014-2015.

The new CBA included a provision to make it much easier for teams to release players with bad contracts. It’s called the stretch provision. Here it is right out of Larry c00n’s invaluable CBA FAQ that can be found here: cbafaq.com.

Otherwise (if the contract or extension was signed under the current CBA), the remaining guaranteed salary is paid over twice the number of remaining years, plus one, per the Stretch provision:

If the player’s salary payments are spread-out using the Stretch provision, the team may elect to stretch the salary cap charge to match2. For example, if two seasons remain on the player’s contract when he is waived, and the payment is spread-out over five years per the Stretch provision, then the team may elect to spread-out the salary cap hit over those same five years.
In other words, the Knicks will have the option after the 2013-2014 season to waive Jeremy Lin, take his third-year $15 million salary and spread it out with its cap hit over the following three seasons. In each of those three seasons, the Knicks would have $5 million of dead money on the cap. Doing that would all but eliminate the insane luxury tax payment the Knicks would have to endure in 2014-2015, which is supposedly stopping them from re-signing Lin.

Obviously, this isn’t an ideal plan or scenario. The Knicks wouldn’t be resigning Lin with the idea of waiving him after 2013. Instead, this is simply a way out if Lin turns out to be nothing more than a backup quality point guard. Having dead money on the cap for three seasons is obviously a bad thing, but it’s nothing the franchise couldn’t survive.


If Lin, on the other hand, turns out to be a star, the same stretch provision could be used on any number of other players on the roster (Novak, Kidd, Felton, Camby) to reduce the impact of the luxury tax penalty. Odds are that one or more of those players will either be rendered ineffective by age or performance by that time, so waiving them won’t cost the franchise much on the court.

Or, of course, Dolan could just write the big check.

We just don’t know where the team will be in three years. What we know now is that the Knicks would lose a young point guard with a ton of potential for no compensation if they choose not to match Houston’s offer sheet for Jeremy Lin. If the Knicks do match, they have options to avoid the financial penalties the luxury tax might impose on the franchise. It is simply another reason for the Knicks to match the Rockets’ offer, as insane as it might be. The Knicks now have an out if Lin turns out to be a bust. The risk of matching is much smaller than anyone is willing to admit.

The Knicks must be aware of this scenario. If they aren’t, shame on Glen Grunwald and the rest of the front office. This potential escape makes the decision to retain Lin an even easier one. There’s no basketball reason to let him walk. If they don’t re-sign Lin, they simply lose him and can’t replace him with anyone. That money can’t be used elsewhere. There is absolutely no benefit. Matching won’t affect the team’s cap, and with the stretch provision option, the Knicks can avoid the luxury tax hit to a large extent as well.

With this in mind, if the Knicks don’t resign Lin, it can only be seen as personal. James Dolan and the rest of the front office must be so angry that he went back to Houston and renegotiated the three-year deal that they just don’t want him as part of the team anymore. That would be immature, childish and foolish.

Then again, these are James Dolan’s Knicks.

 

[seemorecizzy]

we are living and dying with Melo and Jr Smith.

Didnt that already not work in Denver?

U ever heard of amare stoudemire? Tyson chandler? Shumpert?

 

[Trip]

amare

 

[ThaBronxBully]

Between The Provision

The Option Of Trading His Expiring Contract

The Fact We Take No Hit To The Cap

James Dolan Ego To Not Let Morey Get The Better Of Him

His Deep Pockets and Willingness To Throw Money At High Risk Guys

You Would Think They Would Def Match Today

If That Happens WTF Are We Gonna Do With 4 PGs? 3 Of Which Will Be Seeking Sizable Playing Time, 3 Of Which Can Start

Don Tell Me Our SG Search Would Be Over And We Plugging One Of These PGs In At SG

 

[Prodyson]

Camby Is Backing Up Tyson, Kurt Backs Up Amar'e, Shumpert Isnt Available Till Jan-Feb

But Woodson doesn't play position basketball like that... He puts out lineups that he thinks will work the best. He's not gonna put Kurt Thomas in just because he plays the same position as Amare' when Amare comes out of the game.

You think he's gonna put Kurt Thomas in before Novak? I think he would put Kidd and Felton in the game at the same time before he puts Kurt Thomas is.

Which is a more likely lineup for woody?

Felton
Kidd
Novak
Melo
Camby

or

Kidd/Felton
JR
Melo
Thomas
Camby

I think the first is more likely.... But that's just my opinion. I could be very wrong. But that's just what I see

 

[Cory MBA]

Between The Provision

The Option Of Trading His Expiring Contract

The Fact We Take No Hit To The Cap

James Dolan Ego To Not Let Morey Get The Better Of Him

His Deep Pockets and Willingness To Throw Money At High Risk Guys

You Would Think They Would Def Match Today

If That Happens WTF Are We Gonna Do With 4 PGs? 3 Of Which Will Be Seeking Sizable Playing Time, 3 Of Which Can Start

Don Tell Me Our SG Search Would Be Over And We Plugging One Of These PGs In At SG

Grunwald is competent. I am sure something is in the works.

 

[Trip]

Between The Provision

The Option Of Trading His Expiring Contract

The Fact We Take No Hit To The Cap

James Dolan Ego To Not Let Morey Get The Better Of Him

His Deep Pockets and Willingness To Throw Money At High Risk Guys

You Would Think They Would Def Match Today

If That Happens WTF Are We Gonna Do With 4 PGs? 3 Of Which Will Be Seeking Sizable Playing Time, 3 Of Which Can Start

Don Tell Me Our SG Search Would Be Over And We Plugging One Of These PGs In At SG

I'd be shocked if they match.

it has nothing to do with money. Dolan is dumb...when you have Zeke/CAA in your ear telling you Felton > Lin...unless he has a come to last second and says fukk everyone...it aint happening.

 

[ThaBronxBully]

I Officially Have No Idea What They Will Do But At Least It Will Be Over At Mid Night And We Wont Have To Keep Focusing On This

 

[GetInTheTruck]

The site admin on realgm compared lin leaving to 9-11 yo them dudes over there are from another planet.

 

[ThaBronxBully]

The site admin on realgm compared lin leaving to 9-11 yo them dudes over there are from another planet.

Wow SMH

Knicks Fans From RealGM Are Infamous, And I Dont Mean That In A Positive Way, shyts Terrible