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Still not analogous, how would the Biden administration funnel funds and arms to the white supremacist groups?
:why: I'm starting to think you're being purposefully obtuse to evade the obvious conclusion of this hypothetical. Because this has little to do with the point. But to answer, let's say the Biden administration and Harris campaign's budget had a large increase in funding and authorization for transfer of lethal military equipment to local police who are working in tandem with paramilitary forces to commit these targeted mass killings of black Americans.

Hamas killed thousands and also held hostages, your analogy doesn’t reach the same threshold.
Hamas did not kill thousands on October 7th. The total death toll was ~1,100, of which 1/3 were non-civilians. Over 100k people have been killed in Gaza in retaliation for October 7th. Which is why I used a 1:100 ratio in my hypothetical.

a more analogous example would be if Biden administration funded Afrikaner’s resistance group if black South Africans killed thousands of them, took their land and then held others hostage. Should black Americans still support Kamala over Trump? Yes
Your replacement analogy is fatally flawed because yet again you're purposefully evading the central issue at hand here by trying to replace the party at harm with one you don't belong to in order to offload your responsibilities as a moral, empathetic human being. The whole point of this exercise is for you to put yourself in the shoes of the people you've been castigating and see if you would respond differently if it was you and your people in the line of fire. It's easy for you to say fukk the Palestinians because you're not one. Just as it's easy for you to say fukk the Black South Africans because you're not one. But if the Biden-Harris administration and Harris campaign were committed to funding and arming white supremacists groups who were actively massacring 10,000 black Americans in their schools, churches, and homes in retaliation for 10 police officers being killed by Black Radicals, would you be chastising black voters for not turning out to support that campaign in the middle of said massacre because Trump might be worse?
 

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:why: I'm starting to think you're being purposefully obtuse to evade the obvious conclusion of this hypothetical. Because this has little to do with the point. But to answer, let's say the Biden administration and Harris campaign's budget had a large increase in funding and authorization for transfer of lethal military equipment to local police who are working in tandem with paramilitary forces to commit these targeted mass killings of black Americans.


Hamas did not kill thousands on October 7th. The total death toll was ~1,100, of which 1/3 were non-civilians. Over 100k people have been killed in Gaza in retaliation for October 7th. Which is why I used a 1:100 ratio in my hypothetical.


Your replacement analogy is fatally flawed because yet again you're purposefully evading the central issue at hand here by trying to replace the party at harm with one you don't belong to in order to offload your responsibilities as a moral, empathetic human being. The whole point of this exercise is for you to put yourself in the shoes of the people you've been castigating and see if you would respond differently if it was you and your people in the line of fire. It's easy for you to say fukk the Palestinians because you're not one. Just as it's easy for you to say fukk the Black South Africans because you're not one. But if the Biden-Harris administration and Harris campaign were committed to funding and arming white supremacists groups who were actively massacring 10,000 black Americans in their schools, churches, and homes in retaliation for 10 police officers being killed by Black Radicals, would you be chastising black voters for not turning out to support that campaign in the middle of said massacre because Trump might be worse?
Not analogous. You’re comparing a domestic hypothetical to a foreign event. You would need to center the hypothetical around a foreign conflict.

In your hypothetical it’s clear Trump would be better for black Americans than Kamala
 

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Not analogous. You’re comparing a domestic hypothetical to a foreign event.
That's a completely irrelevant distinction in this case because the anti-genocide protestors you have been chastising are either members of a diasporic community or have a moral belief in the value of human life that extends beyond national borders. I'm trying to brute force some moral philosophy and logical rationale into your thinking by forcing you to put yourself in the shoes of the people you have been criticizing.

In your hypothetical it’s clear Trump would be better for black Americans than Kamala
Careful brother, you're sounding like a MAGA leftist tankie now :huh:

It's clear to you in this hypothetical because instead of someone else in the line of fire it's you and your family. You say Trump would be better than Kamala for Black Americans because even though Trump is still a racist piece of shyt who says racist things, Kamala was part of an administration that was actively aiding and abetting the murder of tens of thousands of black Americans, and refused to take a different course when she became the nominee. Actions speak louder than words, and the active crisis takes precedence over someone arguing that Trump maybe could perhaps do worse if he were to win.

Now ask yourself if your hyperventilating at Pro-Palestinian voters was judicious, especially given that many of them showed even more grace to the Harris campaign than you're willing to show in this hypothetical by conceding that it's not clear Trump would be better on this issue than Kamala.
 

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What I find funny is these Arab dictatorships and rulers thinking they have any leverage. Saudi Arabia wouldn't even be an independent country without the American bases. The Iranians would have swallowed them up by now. Wait till Iran gets the nukes and you'll see.
All these rulers are puppets who will bend to Trump because America gives them protection from their own people.

Trump is going to get his ethnic cleansing and there is nothing they can do about it.
Mmmm Hmmm :sas2:
 

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Eh, ok sure I won't quibble with the language here. Biden aided and abetted a genocide.


If Harris won she would have been rewarded for playing political games with Palestinian lives as well. This is my point, the Harris campaign made sure that there was no pro-Palestinian option on the ballot.


Well yes, that's the point of a hypothetical. If you want more specifics, let's say the Harris campaign enacts a ban on any black person from appearing on stage at the DNC, removes any policy from her platform that was designed to redress any harms specifically done to the black community, refuses to meet with any black civil rights organizations. And imagine all of this was taking place during a wave of mass shootings targeting black gatherings where the shooters were being funnelled weapons by the Biden-Harris administration. Would you be criticizing black voters for not being motivated to turn out for the Harris campaign in this hypothetical?


I don't think we're seeing that yet.
 

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That's a completely irrelevant distinction in this case because the anti-genocide protestors you have been chastising are either members of a diasporic community or have a moral belief in the value of human life that extends beyond national borders. I'm trying to brute force some moral philosophy and logical rationale into your thinking by forcing you to put yourself in the shoes of the people you have been criticizing.


Careful brother, you're sounding like a MAGA leftist tankie now :huh:

It's clear to you in this hypothetical because instead of someone else in the line of fire it's you and your family. You say Trump would be better than Kamala for Black Americans because even though Trump is still a racist piece of shyt who says racist things, Kamala was part of an administration that was actively aiding and abetting the murder of tens of thousands of black Americans, and refused to take a different course when she became the nominee. Actions speak louder than words, and the active crisis takes precedence over someone arguing that Trump maybe could perhaps do worse if he were to win.

Now ask yourself if your hyperventilating at Pro-Palestinian voters was judicious, especially given that many of them showed even more grace to the Harris campaign than you're willing to show in this hypothetical by conceding that it's not clear Trump would be better on this issue than Kamala.

Not analogous. You’re comparing a domestic hypothetical to a foreign event. You would need to center the hypothetical around a foreign conflict.

In your hypothetical it’s clear Trump would be better for black Americans than Kamala

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Hamas isn't going to win a trade war with the Trump administration. Hopefully cooler heads prevail.
 
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