The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[Outlaw]

Where are you?

Unfortunately I don’t hold the position of power or influence that they do.

I know that if I did, I wouldn’t have used my position to sabotage the only candidate that could beat Trump then stay silent once Trump gets in office like some useful pawn

 

[King Kreole]

Unfortunately I don’t hold the position of power or influence that they do.

I know that if I did, I wouldn’t have used my position to sabotage the only candidate that could beat Trump then stay silent once Trump gets in office like some useful pawn

Yet you're very quick to demand more of individual protestors and activists who have no more power than you do.

I'm asking you what your actual stance on this underlying issue is, because your only mode of engagement on this issue seems to be just taking the opposite stance of leftists. It seems like your only actual stance is just pro-Establishment Democrat, so when they're for the genocide you're doing genocide apologia, and now that Trump is pushing ethnic cleansing you're chastising leftists for not protesting more. Incoherent. What do you actually believe about this issue, and try to answer without looking to the actions of Establishment Democrats for guidance.

 

[Outlaw]

Yet you're very quick to demand more of individual protestors and activists who have no more power than you do.

I'm asking you what your actual stance on this underlying issue is, because your only mode of engagement on this issue seems to be just taking the opposite stance of leftists. It seems like your only actual stance is just pro-Establishment Democrat, so when they're for the genocide you're doing genocide apologia, and now that Trump is pushing ethnic cleansing you're chastising leftists for not protesting more. Incoherent. What do you actually believe about this issue, and try to answer without looking to the actions of Establishment Democrats for guidance.

My underlying stance is that Hamas started the conflict in October 7th and Israel acted in a way that any superior power would when faced with a terrorist attacked that killed thousands. The Palestinian suffering over the past year was caused by Hamas. Did Israel go to far? Yes. Am I a Zionist? No. I think the current government of Israel is evil and they fukked us over in America by acting in ways that would put Trump back in power. There should be a two state solution where Palestine has full governance over Gaza and the West Bank.

My stance on leftist attacking the democrat nominee over Gaza was that they were useful pawns for Trump. They’re doing exactly what I said they would do, they would act in ways that would hurt Kamala’s campaign then not do shyt to Trump’s administration. There’s zero doubt that Trump would have been worse for Gaza than Biden yet the protestors wouldn’t protest the Trump campaign or republicans even though Trump held up the ceasefire and Republicans also funded Israel.

All I’m asking for is the leftist to show the same energy to Trump’s administration as they did Biden and they are failing to do so. There is bitterness behind my critique because they played into the fascists hands perfectly

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Pressure]

@MAKAVELI25

 

[88m3]

Hamas is about to set the greatest trap of all time and will defeat Israel for good.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Loose]

Went from a genocide funding maniac to an ethnic cleansing maniac. Very bad period for America foreign policy wise. Jordanian King Abdullah is one of our best middle east allies and trumps openly threatening him with aide.

 

[wire28]

My underlying stance is that Hamas started the conflict in October 7th and Israel acted in a way that any superior power would when faced with a terrorist attacked that killed thousands. The Palestinian suffering over the past year was caused by Hamas. Did Israel go to far? Yes. Am I a Zionist? No. I think the current government of Israel is evil and they fukked us over in America by acting in ways that would put Trump back in power. There should be a two state solution where Palestine has full governance over Gaza and the West Bank.

My stance on leftist attacking the democrat nominee over Gaza was that they were useful pawns for Trump. They’re doing exactly what I said they would do, they would act in ways that would hurt Kamala’s campaign then not do shyt to Trump’s administration. There’s zero doubt that Trump would have been worse for Gaza than Biden yet the protestors wouldn’t protest the Trump campaign or republicans even though Trump held up the ceasefire and Republicans also funded Israel.

All I’m asking for is the leftist to show the same energy to Trump’s administration as they did Biden and they are failing to do so. There is bitterness behind my critique because they played into the fascists hands perfectly

But I don’t wanna

 

[wire28]

the “vindication” as one of our more prominent posters put it, doesn’t seem to be stopping right now.

Also people made fun of the Trump resort stuff as talk to scare voters and cape for Biden. I guess they were correct since it seems like hotels are actually on the menu.

 

[King Kreole]

My underlying stance is that Hamas started the conflict in October 7th and Israel acted in a way that any superior power would when faced with a terrorist attacked that killed thousands. The Palestinian suffering over the past year was caused by Hamas. Did Israel go to far? Yes. Am I a Zionist? No. I think the current government of Israel is evil and they fukked us over in America by acting in ways that would put Trump back in power. There should be a two state solution where Palestine has full governance over Gaza and the West Bank.

How do you square your assertion that the current government of Israel went too far and is evil with your uncritical support for the Biden Administration who was crucial in enabling the evil Israeli government to go too far? Or is it that you think the Israeli government is only evil because they acted in ways that put Trump back in power, and their atrocities against the Palestinians is a moral non-issue compared to their machinations in American domestic politics?

My stance on leftist attacking the democrat nominee over Gaza was that they were useful pawns for Trump. They’re doing exactly what I said they would do, they would act in ways that would hurt Kamala’s campaign then not do shyt to Trump’s administration. There’s zero doubt that Trump would have been worse for Gaza than Biden yet the protestors wouldn’t protest the Trump campaign or republicans even though Trump held up the ceasefire and Republicans also funded Israel.

The only way this makes sense is if you believe the only moral issue at play here is the election of Donald Trump, and not the active genocide of the Palestinians. Your moral schema is that badness or goodness is a function of relative proximity to Donald Trump. Only under that paradigm can leftists protesting the genocide be deemed bad, because they refused to prioritize the election of Kamala Harris over ending the genocide of the Palestinians. Which is how you can so easily flip on the underlying issue of the genocide; it's ok when Democrats support it, but it becomes evil as soon as Trump supports it. According to you, people shouldn't be protesting the issue, they should just be protesting Donald Trump.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Trump suggested he wouldn’t withhold US aid to Jordan or countries such as Egypt and other Arab nations if they don’t agree to dramatically increase the number of people from Gaza they take in.

“I don’t have to threaten that. I do believe we’re above that,” Trump said. That contradicted the president’s previous suggestion holding back aid was a possibility.

In other words, the US wont cut off aid to either Jordan or Egypt . Without their full cooperation, there is zero chance this comes to fruition, regardless of what he says.

 

[FAH1223]

Trump suggested he wouldn’t withhold US aid to Jordan or countries such as Egypt and other Arab nations if they don’t agree to dramatically increase the number of people from Gaza they take in.

“I don’t have to threaten that. I do believe we’re above that,” Trump said. That contradicted the president’s previous suggestion holding back aid was a possibility.

In other words, the US wont cut off aid to either Jordan or Egypt . Without their full cooperation, there is zero chance this comes to fruition, regardless of what he says.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Amid the ceasefire wrangling, how popular is Hamas in Gaza now? — Guardian US

The group still projects a powerful presence but, after all the damage, it will need to divert blame if the truce collapses

apple.news

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Netanyahu Says Fighting in Gaza Will Resume if Hostages Are Not Freed Saturday

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel said the cease-fire would end if Hamas did not release captives held in Gaza. But he did not say how many hostages had to be freed.

www.nytimes.com