The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[Chris.B]

all i have to say is if these muslim nikkas hate jews so much where they at?

They aint about that life

 

[GoPro]

Gaza conflict: Egyptian president says peace in Gaza is 'imminent' and predicts lasting ceasefire will begin from tomorrow | Mail Online

Israel needs to bomb the sh!t out of them

Achilles Vs. Hector - TROY (2004) - YouTube

 

[thekingsmen]

Fun Facts....


Pope Pius XII and Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1917 intervention in Palestine
Main article: Pope Benedict XV and Judaism

Documents discovered in the Vatican Secret Archives, by Dr. Michael Hesemann indicate that Archbishop Pacelli intervened in 1917, through the German government, to assure the Jews of Palestine that they would be protected from any harm from the Ottoman Turks. Dr. Hesemann further stated that Pacelli also directly intervened with the World Zionist Organization representative Nachum Sokolov, and used his influence to arrange for Mr. Sokolov to meet directly with the Benedict XV in 1917 to discuss a Jewish homeland in Palestine. In 1926, Pacelli also encouraged Catholics in Germany to join the Committee Pro Palestina, which supported Jewish settlements in Palestine.


Encyclopedia Americana (1985):

“Ashkenazim, the Ashkenazim are the Jews whose ancestors lived in German lands…it was among Ashkenazi Jews that the idea of political Zionism emerged, leading ultimately to the establishment of the state of Israel…In the late 1960s, Ashkenazi Jews numbered some 11 million, about 84 percent of the world Jewish population.”

The Jewish Encyclopedia

“Khazars, a non-Semitic, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania.”



Israel is Is( Isis-Kemet Goddess) ( Ra-Kemet God) ( El- Hebrews God that changes his name multiple times but isn't YHWH).

Zionism Zion( aka Sion) means Sun. Sun Movement. Morning Star is the Sun and Lucifier was also called the Morning Star...

 

[Primetime21]

Gaza conflict: Egyptian president says peace in Gaza is 'imminent' and predicts lasting ceasefire will begin from tomorrow | Mail Online

Israel needs to bomb the sh!t out of them

Damn, he got Prince Hector'd

 

[88m3]

great 'culture' they have over there

 

[TLOL is back]

That's a start. I'm interested in any info on the subject. I know in Europe there are many more anti-Zionists who are just antisemites, but I don't think the same is true for critics of Israel (not necessarily anti-Zionists) in the US, for example.

The study in question was conducted in Europe. I'm not aware of studies conducted in the states. I don't see why it would be any different. If you're still interested in the study I'll look for it.

 

[TLOL is back]

Then perhaps you could do everyone a favour by not seeming to conflate the two.

I don't. Legitimate criticism of Israel is rarely seen, especially around here. Its always:

- Israel is like the Nazis
- Israel is like South Africa
- Israeli apartheid
- Israel should let the Islamic KKK murder innocent Jews.
- Israel masturbates to Palestinian corpses

etc.

Of course, that wouldn't really suit your purpose of implying that critics are automatically anti-Israel, hate Jews, or are somehow mentally defective.

Considering the arguments made above, you can see why.

 

[TLOL is back]

 

[Type Username Here]

That is just outrageous. You should be ashamed of posting such garbage.

 

[TLOL is back]

That is just outrageous. You should be ashamed of posting such garbage.

Hamas uses human shields. That is a fact. Not sure what is so outrageous about pointing that out.

 

[88m3]

Hamas uses human shields. That is a fact. Not sure what is so outrageous about pointing that out.

To some people the truth is outrageous?

 

[TLOL is back]

To some people the truth is outrageous?

I was considering for a moment that Type Username Here is in an alternate universe and he somehow saw a different picture than the one I posted. Maybe he's just anti-knowledge.

 

[newarkhiphop]

Five Lies the Media Keeps Repeating About Gaza

As Israel continues to pound Gaza, the Palestinian death toll of the latest round of violence has crossed the 100 mark. Thus far, the American media has given Israeli officials and spokespersons a free pass to shape the narrative of this conflict with falsehoods. Here are the top 5 lies the media doesn't challenge about the crisis in Gaza:

1. Israel Was Forced to Respond to Rockets to Defend Its Citizens
CNN, like many other American outlets, chose to begin the story of the latest round of violence in Gaza on November 10th, when 4 Israeli soldiers were wounded by Palestinian fire, and the IDF "retaliated" by killing several Palestinians. But just two days before, a 13 year old Palestinian boy was killed in an Israeli military incursion into Gaza (among other fatalities in preceding days). Is there any reason why those couldn't be the starting point of the "cycle of violence"? The bias was even more blatant in 2008/09, when Israel's massive assault on Gaza (which killed 1400+ Palestinians) was cast as self-defense, even though it was acknowledged in passing that Israel was the party that broke the ceasefire agreement in place at the time. Are the Palestinians not entitled to self-defense? And if indiscriminate Palestinian rocket fire is not an acceptable response to Israeli violence (which it absolutely isn't), how can indiscriminate Israeli bombings of Gaza ever be acceptable? And why is the broader context, the fact that Gaza remains under Israeli blockade and military control, overlooked?

2. Israel Tries to Avoid Civilian Casualties
It must be aggravating for Israel's propagandists when high-ranking political officials slip and get off the sanitized/approved message for public consumption. Yesterday, Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai said the "goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages." Not to be outdone, Gilad Sharon, son of former Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon, said "we need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza." If you're thinking this is just rhetoric, consider the fact that, according to Amnesty International, Israel "flattened... busy neighborhoods" into "moonscapes" during its last major assault on Gaza in 2008/09. And it wasn't just human rights organizations that were exposing Israeli war crimes in Gaza, but Israeli soldiers whose conscience could not bear to remain silent about the atrocities they had committed were also coming forward.

If, for some odd reason, you cannot decide whether it is official Israeli spokespersons or soldiers of conscience and human rights investigators who are telling the truth, consider this question: If Hamas has only managed to kill 3 people despite being bent on killing civilians with thousands of indiscriminate rockets, how has Israel managed to kill several dozen Palestinian civilians when it is using sophisticated precision weapons to avoid civilian casualties? In just one Israeli attack yesterday, Israel killed more Palestinian civilians in a matter of minutes than the total number of all Israelis killed by rocket fire from Gaza over the last 3 years. The truth is exposed by the utter disregard for civilian life we see in practice, reaffirmed by testimonies and investigative evidence.

3. This Is About Security
If Israel's main objective were indeed to end the rocket fire from Gaza, all it had to do was accept the truce offered by the Palestinian factions before the Jabari assassination. And if the blockade of Gaza was just about keeping weapons from coming in, why are Palestinian exports from Gaza not allowed out? Why were food items ever restricted? The truth is, this isn't about security; it's about punishing the population of Gaza for domestic Israeli political consumption. When Gilad Sharon recommended the decimation of Gaza, he justified it by saying "the residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas." Sharon may find this posturing to be rewarding in some circles, but it's actually the very same logic used by terrorists to attack civilians in democracies. Are Israeli civilians considered legitimate targets of violence because they elected right wing Israeli leaders who commit atrocities against the Palestinians? Of course not, and only a broken moral compass can keep this principle from consistently applying to Palestinian civilians as well.

4. Hamas Is the Problem
Between their religious right-wing domestic agenda, and their refusal to renounce violence against civilians, I'm most certainly no fan of Hamas. But whenever you hear Israel try to scapegoat Hamas for the crisis in Gaza, there are two things to consider. First, Hamas hasn't only showed preparedness to have a truce with Israel if Israel ended its attacks on Gaza, but has also suggested (though with mixed signals) that it is open to a two-state solution. Second, and more importantly, Hamas didn't come to power until 2006/07. Between 1993 and 2006 (13 years), Israel had the more moderate, peaceful, and pliant Palestinian authority (which recognizes Israel and renounces violence) to deal with as a partner for peace. What did Israel do? Did it make peace? Or did it continue to occupy Palestinian land, violate Palestinian rights, and usurp Palestinian resources? What strengthened Hamas and other extremists in Palestine is precisely the moderates' failure to secure any Palestinian rights through cooperation and negotiations. The truth is entirely inverted here: it is Israel's escalating violations of Palestinian rights which strengthen the extremists.

5. There is a Military Solution to this Conflict
This is not the first time, and probably not the last, that Israel has engaged in a military campaign to pummel its opponents into submission. But are we any closer to ending this conflict today after decades of violence? The answer is a resounding no. After the 2006 war in Lebanon, Hezbollah emerged stronger. After the 2009 war on Gaza, Hamas remained in power and maintained possession of thousands of rockets. Israel's military superiority, while indeed impressive (thanks to $30 billion in U.S. military aid this decade), is not stronger than the Palestinian will to live in dignity. The way to end the firing of rockets in the short term is to agree to a truce and end the blockade of Gaza. The way to resolve the entire conflict in the long term is to end Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian lands and allow the Palestinians to exercise their right to self-determination. We're probably close to a ceasefire agreement to end this round of violence. The real challenge is ending the Israeli occupation for long-term peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians.

 

[WeDemBoyz]

@newarkhiphop I love Huff Post for allowing that to get through.

 

[woodblock]

I don't. Legitimate criticism of Israel is rarely seen, especially around here.

LOL. I do not accept that "legitimate criticism of Israel is rarely seen". Are you out of your mind? Legitimate criticism of Israel is everywhere. I can't speak to this thread because I'm not going to go back and read 20 pages, but in general this premise is seriously flawed and self-serving. Just as an exercise in intellectual honesty, perhaps you could describe to me some examples of criticism of Israel you regard as legitimate? There is no obligation for you to do this, of course, but it might go some way to showing that you argue in good faith...