The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

The IRA is now a purely political party. Doesn’t change the murders and car bombings they committed as a terrorist organization.

And Egypt is right to keep the blockade unfortunately. Israel is trying to turn the Palestinians into permanent refugees by chasing them across the border.

Egypt would have been giving Israel exactly what it wanted. A minimal bloody death march then placing the humanitarian crisis on Egypts side.

Do you know what a blockage is? It has little to do with what goes out. It’s about what goes into Gaza. Israel restricted all imports with the help of Egypt. They essentially helped prevent Gaza from growing economically.

 

[Loose]

surely everyone can agree on this…right

Nope because hamas is a byproduct of the Israel's occupational apartheid. "Hamas" in the general sense will always exist as long as the Israelis occupation and unlawful imprisonment of Palestine exist. It doesn't matter whose in control of Israel, they've had the same Islamophobic foreign policy for decades now.

 

[mitter]

A tweet from a former White House Middle East Envoy:

 

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[NZA]

surely everyone can agree on this…right

no. i believe the problem is zionism and western hegemony, not hamas. you couldnt even have hamas without the former.

 

[Json]

Do you know what a blockage is? It has little to do with what goes out. It’s about what goes into Gaza. Israel restricted all imports with the help of Egypt. They essentially helped prevent Gaza from growing economically.

Do you think terrorism is a one way thing?

Do you not remember that terrorist flowed across the border from Pakistan into Afghanistan then fled back and forth? Israel anlready fires missies into Lebanon for Hezbaollah. Egypt doesn’t support Iran/Hamas meddling in their part of the Middle East/North Africa..

 

[Pressure]

Nope because hamas is a byproduct of the Israel's occupational apartheid. "Hamas" in the general sense will always exist as long as the Israelis occupation and unlawful imprisonment of Palestine exist. It doesn't matter whose in control of Israel, they've had the same Islamophobic foreign policy for decades now.

Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood -- a group that predates what we refer to as Israel by 2 decades.

While it is true that Hamas was created during the first intifada, that really doesn't tell the whole story.

MB had been an active player in keeping the region destabilized.

1. The rise of Anwar Sadat
2. The Yom Kippur war
3. Camp David accords
4. Assassination of Sadat due to 3
5. The formation of Hamas

We keep talking about the Israeli response, but just ignoring everything in the lead up.

You probably have a state solution if Sadat wasn't assassinated and shifting power back to those who want nothing short of the Islamization of that entire region.

You probably have a state solution if the Yom Kippur war was about freeing the Palestinians instead of Egypt and Syria trying to reclaim that land for themselves as occupiers.

You likely don't see a Bibi lead coalition government if those events hadn't played out.

But those are the realities and until there's some shake up in leadership across the board this shyt gonna be on rinse and repeat.

 

[Pressure]

no. i believe the problem is zionism and western hegemony, not hamas. you couldnt even have hamas without the former.

Islamization zionism

 

[NZA]

Islamization zionism

people blamed the more secular resistance groups before hamas. it never mattered. zionism creates the problem and with the help of western hegemony, it manages the responses in order to prevent solutions that result in a loss of control of the land.

 

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https://archive.is/DVaCs

https://archive.is/umYfu

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Do you think terrorism is a one way thing?

Do you not remember that terrorist flowed across the border from Pakistan into Afghanistan then fled back and forth? Israel anlready fires missies into Lebanon for Hezbaollah. Egypt doesn’t support Iran/Hamas meddling in their part of the Middle East/North Africa..

And that's the problem. How can you call Hamas a terrorist organization and not Israel??

Israel does the exact same shyt.

Israel call them terrorists. The US calls them terrorists. That don't make them terrorists. Nelson Mandela was on the terrorist watch list in the United States even after he became president of South Africa.

Israel and the US strategically demonize them and ignore how they got to this point in the first place.

 

[Pressure]

people blamed the more secular resistance groups before hamas. it never mattered. zionism creates the problem and with the help of western hegemony, it manages the responses in order to prevent solutions that result in a loss of control of the land.

These groups felt they had just due to that land before Zionism ever materialized.

Gaza and the west bank weren't free prior to Israel's existence.

I think both the above statements are factually correct.

Obviously Israel has taken on the role of oppressor in the current iteration, but it just comes off as bad faith to pretend everything was fine before.

 

[Json]

And that's the problem. How can you call Hamas a terrorist organization and not Israel??

Israel does the exact same shyt.

Israel call them terrorists. The US calls them terrorists. That don't make them terrorists. Nelson Mandela was on the terrorist watch list in the United States even after he became president of South Africa.

Israel and the US strategically demonize them and ignore how they got to this point in the first place.

It’s called colonialism. It’s colonialism when America does it. It’s called colonialism when British does it.

You think the Vietnam weren’t using guerilla warfare just because America was fighting “communism“?

Hamas uses terrorism. Does that mean Israel isn’t the aggressor? Nah.

Does that mean Egypt should allow Hamas to use its border to bring in weapons just because they are both Muslim?

 

[NZA]

These groups felt they had just due to that land before Zionism ever materialized.

Gaza and the west bank weren't free prior to Israel's existence.

I think both the above statements are factually correct.

Obviously Israel has taken on the role of oppressor in the current iteration, but it just comes off as bad faith to pretend everything was fine before.

palestinians were not free under direct british rule but we are not dealing with that right now so i dont know what im supposed say about that.

brits colonize an area but various peoples more or less stay on land they have had for generations.
zionists later come in large numbers and are distributed occupied land by brit colonizers
locals resist being dispossessed of land they lived on for generations
locals lose spectacularly
surrounding nations lose spectacularly
various resistance groups materialize in this state of dispossession and isolation; some secular and even leftist
secular resistance proves to be ineffective at defeating western hegemony/zionism
religious resistance proves to be nihilistic overdetermined preferred opposition
zionism proves to be a long term colonizing project that does not intend to seriously compromise

 

[Json]

people blamed the more secular resistance groups before hamas. it never mattered. zionism creates the problem and with the help of western hegemony, it manages the responses in order to prevent solutions that result in a loss of control of the land.

This is the main problem we are now facing to me.

Im not going to pretend like Muslim nations are just peaceful with each other if Israel wasn’t there.(Yemen and Iraq are prime examples)

Nations come and go. Italy isn‘t the Roman Empire. China isn’t the size of Mongolia.

After the Ottoman Empire fell, Israel wasn’t naturally created. Jews didn’t migrate and integrate with the local population over decades. They were shipped over in large numbers. Israel won the six day war and took the lands, but without the American and west backing them now with nukes and weapon systems, I wouldn’t be so sure the map would stay the same as long as it has.

So now we are stuck trying to prevent a genocide of Jews by lowing a genocide of Palestinians.