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[King Theo]

Arrogance did them in. At the start of all of this both Lewis and George were saying they needed to develop by listening more to them, especially Lewis, and the engineers handwaved them away and now McLaren is looking faster and the Williams was faster at points this weekend. The cost cap shows the engineers there weren't as clever as they thought.

It makes sense that Lewis ain't signed that contract after claiming it was done back in May. I still think he should go to Ferrari who'd roll out the red carpet for him or Williams and force Doralton to give him a piece of the team and bully them into building his perfect car.

Cost cap showed merc were throwing things against the wall and see what sticks. I do wish tehre was slightly more room in the cap for use of imagination and see teams engineer in the grey area.

I know the standings say merc are second but is mercs engineering team and car they developed actually second best. or do they just have the best driver lineup that includes the goat?

I saw wolff said Lewis was referring to mclarens design being better thus finding a second of performance. but what i didnt like to hear from toto was going that route is easier said than done and every team had somethign that worked perfectly in the wind tunnel in terms of performance. but it seems teams have a bit more of an understanding than them of the fundamentals of the car. Think Toto need to stop being so proud and pull out the big guns and poach them redbull aero team members as aston and mclaren have.

 

[King Theo]

I think if he went it'd be similar to Schumacher. Anything Schumacher wanted he got from Ferrari. Those Schumacher Ferrari cars were unstoppable. I'm pretty sure they have the second best car in F1 now they just have terrible strategies and inconsistent impatient drivers. Lewis and/or Alonso in those same Ferrari cars would be ahead of everyone that's not in a RBR. They're currently 4th in the constructors and that car ain't that bad.


George is finally seeing the view that Latifi had all those years and don't like it. It seems like Lewis can drive beyond the limits of the car and George can only be as good as the car actually is.

I think privately Lewis team maybe getting courted by other teams and vice versa and i hope lewis aint to proud/arrogant to think that merc is the only team that has something to offer. The fact that nothing is done yet to me leaves me to think there is more going on in the shadows and i think allison coming back is merc way of trying to get things right at home

 

[Obreh Winfrey]

Mercedes re-evaluating Red Bull sidepod design as Wolff calls W14 another 'diva'

Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff says the team will wind down work on its "Diva 2.0" car soon and reconsider Red Bull's sidepod solution.

www.racefans.net

At the end of the article:

Wolff indicated the team will not bring any more major changes to the W14. “Do we believe that we have upgrades in there that are going to fundamentally change the car? I don’t believe so, but we have a few small steps that are to come.”

I'm sure he's holding some cards close to the chest but that's not what you want to hear. Mercedes is rapidly approaching Ferrari Next Year™ territory. It's a wash until 2026, and even that might be a wash if the engine regulations aren't shaken up enough to distress RBPT. Max about to cruise to 5 championships, 4 of which he was completely unopposed.

 

[cobra]

for those more in the loop:
is there any realistic chance any of the other constructors catch up to red bull next year, or is this nethercac gonna keep winning championships

 

[jj23]

for those more in the loop:
is there any realistic chance any of the other constructors catch up to red bull next year, or is this nethercac gonna keep winning championships

Closer to the latter than the former. Folks this far off usually never catch up until another formula

 

[gho3st]

Is Williams byke? Albon held his own in the fight for P8 and even Sargent finished P11
Lewis sounded mad talking about the McLaren is just too fast

Think he may still be in shock with how far Mercedes has fallen

 

[King Theo]

Mercedes re-evaluating Red Bull sidepod design as Wolff calls W14 another 'diva'

Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff says the team will wind down work on its "Diva 2.0" car soon and reconsider Red Bull's sidepod solution.

www.racefans.net

At the end of the article:

I'm sure he's holding some cards close to the chest but that's not what you want to hear. Mercedes is rapidly approaching Ferrari Next Year™ territory. It's a wash until 2026, and even that might be a wash if the engine regulations aren't shaken up enough to distress RBPT. Max about to cruise to 5 championships, 4 of which he was completely unopposed.

Yea I read this and didn’t get a good feeling from Toto. It read as there has been a good amount of arrogance at merc and thought they never would have to be the ones to look at another team for answers.

Toto is good businessman idk if he should be leading merc without a niki lauda to help with the direction of the team. Oooor just listen to lewis he was actually close to lauda and I’m certain he’s learned a few things

 

[King Theo]

Mercedes re-evaluating Red Bull sidepod design as Wolff calls W14 another 'diva'

Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff says the team will wind down work on its "Diva 2.0" car soon and reconsider Red Bull's sidepod solution.

www.racefans.net

At the end of the article:

I'm sure he's holding some cards close to the chest but that's not what you want to hear. Mercedes is rapidly approaching Ferrari Next Year™ territory. It's a wash until 2026, and even that might be a wash if the engine regulations aren't shaken up enough to distress RBPT. Max about to cruise to 5 championships, 4 of which he was completely unopposed.

In regards to 26 regs it seems rb and other teams already whining about having to run without mgu-k and that they’ll run out of battery power on straights. 26 could really be the great equalizer. These current regs are perfect storm for rb it’s all aero efficiency since the engine freeze ( another area Mercedes we’re slightly too confident)

 

[jj23]

Yea I read this and didn’t get a good feeling from Toto. It read as there has been a good amount of arrogance at merc and thought they never would have to be the ones to look at another team for answers.

Toto is good businessman idk if he should be leading merc without a niki lauda to help with the direction of the team. Oooor just listen to lewis he was actually close to lauda and I’m certain he’s learned a few things

Lauda would not have allowed this complacency.

 

[phillycavsfan]

Danny Ric is back

 

[Obreh Winfrey]

Danny Ric is back

Didn't even make it the full year . Well he can go back to Formula E or some shyt

 

[Legal]

Nyck de Vries; gunned up and clapped quick.

 

[calh45]

Is Williams byke? Albon held his own in the fight for P8 and even Sargent finished P11
Lewis sounded mad talking about the McLaren is just too fast

Williams is gonna be good now that they got the family out of the way. The commentators always talk about how fast the car is in a straight line. If Williams figure out slower turns during the off season Albon is gonna be up there. Red Bull did him and Gasly and now Devries wrong. You shouldn't be losing your seat that quickly as a rookie.

 

[Legal]

Williams is gonna be good now that they got the family out of the way. The commentators always talk about how fast the car is in a straight line. If Williams figure out slower turns during the off season Albon is gonna be up there. Red Bull did him and Gasly and now Devries wrong. You shouldn't be losing your seat that quickly as a rookie.

There's already speculation that move to bush De Vries was less about De Vries, and more about their plans to figure out who potentially replaces Checo if he keeps up like he is. Keep in mind that Dr Vries was never their first choice in the first place. Originally, they wanted the FIA to make an exception for Colton Herta to get that seat. De Vries was likely always going to be a glorified seat filler.

 

[King Theo]

Lauda would not have allowed this complacency.

Never. And to be quite honest as much as I hate the guy helmet is Red Bulls lauda I’m the sense of him having a brain for the sport to spot talent, know when they need to cut losses, etc . I put a lot of the blame on Toto for looking at everything in a data/business sense and not from a sporting sense. He really should allow Lewis to become the lauda of the team going forward during driving and post