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That's the natural position of everyone in the car with Lewis, including Russell when he comes next year

yeah but margins. buttocks came in 4th. maybe russell / a better driver could get 3rd?

even rosberg was a better driver. being worse doesn't mean you have to be that bad.
 

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It is genuinely nuts that he threw out that this was a battle between two of the best drivers in history. They are looking for any reason to push Max onto Lewis' level during the broadcast and this season. Max has 13 wins and no championships vs Lewis' 99 wins and 7 championships.
Its not nuts. DiResta and Lewis go way back. Lewis’s dad was his manager at one point. He’s a hater and always has been.
 

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Was there anything else today that would justify replacing him?

I don't think Bottas will be retained next year, but that has more to do with the fact that they need to promote Russel at some point and less with Bottas performance.
 

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yeah but margins. buttocks came in 4th. maybe russell / a better driver could get 3rd?

even rosberg was a better driver. being worse doesn't mean you have to be that bad.

The issue was the tyre fall off though, when they go off the cliff there's nothing else you can do. You are essentially a sitting duck.
 

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Was there anything else today that would justify replacing him?

I don't think Bottas will be retained next year, but that has more to do with the fact that they need to promote Russel at some point and less with Bottas performance.

he is not good enough.

the margin between his performance and a good driver is too large now that merc no longer has the best car on the grid.

this race demonstrated what a split strategy and double threat does for a team. even nico was a better wing man and that working as a twin threat can help overcome some of the performance deficit.

"today"?? stop trying to put words in my mouth as it will only confuse you further.
 

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The issue was the tyre fall off though, when they go off the cliff there's nothing else you can do. You are essentially a sitting duck.

you could be further ahead. bunched cars are harder to pass.

you could not over brake.

you could look after your tires better (like someone else in a very similar car)

you could generally win more points for the team.

to reduce his failings to "hamilton is GOAT" or "it was the tires" is reductive.

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bottas being as slow and as relatively unskilled as he is is not (infallible) holy writ and it is not only today.

even nico was a better driver and a better teammate.

to cut a long short what exactly are to arguing about. did bottas relatively underperform today? yes. has he done so on a continuing basis for some time now? yes.

that means that he has to go :camby: . especially given the extra competition now.
 

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you could be further ahead. bunched cars are harder to pass.

you could not over brake.

you could look after your tires better (like someone else in a very similar car)

you could generally win more points for the team.

to reduce his failings to "hamilton is GOAT" or "it was the tires" is reductive.

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bottas being as slow and as relatively unskilled as he is is not (infallible) holy writ and it is not only today.

even nico was a better driver and a better teammate.

to cut a long short what exactly are to arguing about. did bottas relatively underperform today? yes. has he done so on a continuing basis for some time now? yes.

that means that he has to go :camby: . especially given the extra competition now.
Bottas knows the car, he ain't going nowhere. Can't bring someone that is gonna need time. could be a fukking disaster.
 

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you could be further ahead. bunched cars are harder to pass.

you could not over brake.

you could look after your tires better (like someone else in a very similar car)

you could generally win more points for the team.

to reduce his failings to "hamilton is GOAT" or "it was the tires" is reductive.

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bottas being as slow and as relatively unskilled as he is is not (infallible) holy writ and it is not only today.

even nico was a better driver and a better teammate.

to cut a long short what exactly are to arguing about. did bottas relatively underperform today? yes. has he done so on a continuing basis for some time now? yes.

that means that he has to go :camby: . especially given the extra competition now.
Who else beside maybe Perez is close to Hamilton on that?
 

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Who else beside maybe Perez is close to Hamilton on that?

it's sunday .. don't ask me (selective, loaded and leading) questions like that as it is after all a day of peace.

bottas' skills .... .... BIG GAP .... hamilton's skills.

rosberg is somewhere in that BIG GAP.

i am not getting drawn into adjunct arguments. buttocks is terrible and should go. no amount of "hamilton relativism" changes that.
 

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he is not good enough.

the margin between his performance and a good driver is too large now that merc no longer has the best car on the grid.

this race demonstrated what a split strategy and double threat does for a team. even nico was a better wing man and that working as a twin threat can help overcome some of the performance deficit.

"today"?? stop trying to put words in my mouth as it will only confuse you further.
Is it Ouchie wally wally, or is it one mic?

This race was entirely decided by strategy, it had nothing to do with driver performance, not even Lewis could save it:yeshrug:

Mercedes and Lewis being behind in the championship is down to strategy errors, the Monaco fukk up in the pits and Lewis bottling the restart in Baku. Taking Valteri out of the equation wouldn't change much and Russels performance at Williams this season has also been hit or miss.

Bottas is a driver like Button was, blisteringly quick when the car is to his liking and struggling when it isn't. Hamilton makes him look worse than he really is.

And no, Nico was not a better wing men, he was no wing man at all. The atmosphere in the team at the time was toxic and the last thing Mercedes needs in a tight championship battle is their drivers crashing into each other. Russel is not a no.2 driver, so putting him in the second car carries its own risk. He could either produce new headaches for the team, as the crash with Bottas a couple of races ago showed, or he could end up like Gasley and Albon did at Red Bull, loosing his confidence because he can't get the measure of Lewis, ruining his career before it has even started.
 
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