Essential The Official Football (Soccer) Thread - We are SO back, the Premier League returns!

[EA]

I mean...that's what Real Madrid was during the Galacticos era. Not saying its the same level of talent...but with the right manager it CAN work. In fact, Real/Barca was THE ideological schism of football at the turn of the century. The superstars vs the refined collective (plus Messi mind you), buying talent vs developing talent, high-flying goals vs. tiki-taka.

The problem with ManU is that the Premier League has gotten more sophisticated than that. And individual talent has its limits. This United is destined to become the new Arsenal. Perpetual UCL, no title wins and an increasingly maniacal fanbase.

Galacticos era Madrid wasn’t out there playing tiki-taka but they were definitely more sophisticated than this Utd team. You never looked at Madrid and wondered where their next goal was coming from.

And I like bantering Utd obviously but they’re a 1000 miles away from becoming the new Arsenal. They literally just need a better manager and they’re title contenders. During our prime top 4 days, we were always 2-3 players away from being contenders.

 

[TheOptimisticCynikal]

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Or just insert any top-half Serie A or Bundesliga manager

You're underestimating the difference of pressure of managing a big club, especially one like United. We can't just insert any flavor of the month manager into one of the biggest clubs in the world. If Ole didn't have a history with us and wasn't recommend by SAF, he wouldn't get anywhere near the job even as bad as we were after Jose.

Out of the ones you've listed realistically only Zidane and Conte would be suitable. Brandan Rodgers is a huge maybe, but his Liverpool past puts a huge doubt over that. Mancini is a definite no.

 

[Rell Lauren]

 

[null]

considering the technical ability of the likes of Sancho, Pogba, VdB, Martial, etc.

some players play with their heads up. some with their heads down - watching their own feet, or the ground always in a rush, rather than looking around them.

head down players are not going to orchestrate games. head up players so comfortable on the ball that they spend less energy on basic control and location of the ball and more on controlling their impact and controlling the game.

i.e. socrates wandering about pondering the sky ...



e.g. for MU carrick and scholes were both great at that.

first xavi pass at 13s for example never once does xavi look down after receiving the ball before passing it on



you needs head up type players to control midfield.

 

[pete clemenza]

Ligue 1 actually gonna be interesting. PSG of course going to win...but I don't think there's a league with more emerging talent than France right now.

Definitely.. I know "The Farmer's League" jokes should be gone and done away with that's for sure

 

[null]

You're underestimating the difference of pressure of managing a big club, especially one like United. We can't just insert any flavor of the month manager into one of the biggest clubs in the world. If Ole didn't have a history with us and wasn't recommend by SAF, he wouldn't get anywhere near the job even as bad as we were after Jose.

Out of the ones you've listed realistically only Zidane and Conte would be suitable. Brandan Rodgers is a huge maybe, but his Liverpool past puts a huge doubt over that. Mancini is a definite no.

no idea what you are talking about.

any manager who managed the big clubs internationally esp. in spain can take the epl "pressure".

that imagined island "exceptionalism" is clouding your objectivity again.

a person's character is internal.

you know all that "proper MU player" stuff that man utd alumni prattel on about.

jose for example could have left porto and directly take 10 times the pressure that man utd could throw at him. you judge people not your patterns.

 

[Ill-Yaz]

Sancho looks fukin dogshyt

I was never excited about this signing and I'm being proven right!

 

[nyknick]

This Salernitana team look like they're going stay in their shells throughout the whole season.

Luckily they'll go straight back down. Also they're somehow owned by the same owner as Lazio

 

[NSSVO]

Im glad Chelsea and Liverpool both choked

 

[null]

Man is going out sad.

jose watch

 

[TheOptimisticCynikal]

no idea what you are talking about.

any manager who managed the big clubs internationally esp. in spain can take the epl "pressure".

that imagined island "exceptionalism" is clouding your objectivity again.

Not exeptionalism. It's the same with any big club. Mans just listed the Iran national team manager, Ryan Giggs and Rooney as possible candidates for one of the biggest clubs on the world as if the pressure isn't immense at anything other than wining at a club of United's size and history

It's not about the pressure of the Premier League. You just saw people in this very thread making jokes about us off of a 1 - 0 win in Game Week 3 as if players aren't still geling with one another. Imagine how that is with a world wide fanbase?

Arsenal, who are no where near as big as United, hounded out the most successful manager in their history because he didn't buy players and kept scraping 4th. They got Emery and you see how they've been since.

Anyone coming other than Zizou, Conte or Poch will be a travesty if Ole doesn't work out.

I'd actually keep Ole until the players lose faith in him personally

 

[null]

Sancho looks fukin dogshyt

I was never excited about this signing and I'm being proven right!

he could be an excellent cog in a good dynamic pass+move progressive system.

like pep/city have.

or like at dortmund.

a type of "system" which man utd does not have.

it would be a shame to waste one of ronaldo's final few seasons so Ole has to deliver or go.

get him his MF so we can be done with the excuses.

 

[null]

Not exeptionalism. It's the same with any big club. Mans just listed the Iran national team manager, Ryan Giggs and Rooney as possible candidates for one of the biggest clubs on the world as if the pressure isn't immense at anything other than wining at a club of United's size and history

life lesson: judge people. character is within.

SAF was a good judge of character steel.

you on the other hand seem to be still puzzled about whether it exists.

learn to recognise the really tough people around you.

 

[THEREALBRAND]

Angel Correa has been playing out of his mind this season. All you have to do is pair Suarez up with someone from Rosario to have a world class attack.

 

[thatrapsfan]

How did Messi look?