The Official FIFA World Cup Thread - QATAR 2022

[MVike28]

Remember Deco and van bronckhorst hanging out together after they both got reds

Just realized that’s Von Bommel he was sent off too

That ref was nuts

 

[African_brehda]

fukking clout demon referee. Always on some bullshyt. From UCL to La Liga and now he’s brought it to the World Cup

 

[null]

You think a player of Neymar's stature has NO influence on that?

Managers tend to ask, who wants to go first.
Player like Neymar can say, put me first or middle or last

It’s what appears on screen most of the time.

quite aside from everything already mentioned when your team takes the 2nd kick your 5th penalty is the 10th penalty overall and as such is the sudden death one.

that's even higher pressure because if you miss that is it. go home. no further chances. nada. entire country failed and you are indelibly in the history books.

"It's not the first time Neymar has waited to take a penalty. Brazil's World Cup tie against Chile in 2014 was also decided by a shootout, with Neymar taking the fifth and final spot kick. And he took the last penalty in the win against Germany in the 2016 Olympics final.

Tite HIMSELF explains TODAY:

"The fifth penalty is the decisive one," Brazil boss Tite told reporters [after the Croatian defeat]. "There is more pressure and the players who are best prepared should take that penalty kick. The only disorganisation in our team was that we did not score more than one goal during the game.""

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/brazil-neymar-croatia-penalty-worldcup-28698799


"Many assumed that the 30-year-old was planning on taking the fifth, and usually decisive penalty, something Tite confirmed post-match.
‘He is the fifth and decisive penalty taker,’ the 61-year-old said.
‘The player who has more quality and the mentality to step up then is under greatest pressure.’

The tactic is nothing new to football"

https://metro.co.uk/2022/12/09/worl...mar-didnt-take-a-penalty-vs-croatia-17913277/

 

[beejus]

It’s comments like this that show some people can’t have an objective opinion about anything. A serious ball discussion then you decide to bring this up

My guy it's not that serious. We can have a serious discussion if you deem it necessary.

Modric > Neymar.

For club and country Modric has been consistent for many years. One of the most underrated players on any field he goes on and still finds a way to shine. No flare no flash just genuinely puts himself in the right position and is impactful in most games. Yes, his goals #'s don't show it, but that's not his game. Neymar has the name, the flare and at moments pure brilliance, but has also missed time with injuries (which do seem to be around the date of his sister birthday. Don't believe me look it up).

I'm a Barca guy through and through and I'd take Modric if I had to pick one.

 

[Givethanks]

Only acceptable finals

Croatia vs France


Portugal vs Argentina

 

[Black Magisterialness]

quite aside from everything already mentioned when your team takes the 2nd kick your 5th penalty is the 10th penalty overall and as such is the sudden death one.

that's even higher pressure because if you miss that is it. go home. no further chances. nada. entire country failed and you are indelibly in the history books.

"It's not the first time Neymar has waited to take a penalty. Brazil's World Cup tie against Chile in 2014 was also decided by a shootout, with Neymar taking the fifth and final spot kick. And he took the last penalty in the win against Germany in the 2016 Olympics final.

Tite HIMSELF explains TODAY:

"The fifth penalty is the decisive one," Brazil boss Tite told reporters [after the Croatian defeat]. "There is more pressure and the players who are best prepared should take that penalty kick. The only disorganisation in our team was that we did not score more than one goal during the game.""

Neymar slammed by fans for Brazil penalty decision in World Cup catastrophe


"Many assumed that the 30-year-old was planning on taking the fifth, and usually decisive penalty, something Tite confirmed post-match.
‘He is the fifth and decisive penalty taker,’ the 61-year-old said.
‘The player who has more quality and the mentality to step up then is under greatest pressure.’

The tactic is nothing new to football"

Brazil boss explains why Neymar didn't take a penalty against Croatia

None of that answers the question I asked.

 

[Trajan]

Breh I have no idea how he keeps getting these high profile jobs. He also did US v Iran

Brehs we're guaranteed fukkery. The ref is that clout chasing Spanish guy who loves being aawwll up in the camera

Mateu Lahoz’s method of refereeing, a similar style to the English model. Letting play flow, indulging the physical side of the game, not interrupting much, and punishing less than others.




Lahoz is also famous for handing out yellow cards for the slightest of confrontations while ignoring potentially dangerous challenges.

 

[LuuqMaan]

quite aside from everything already mentioned when your team takes the 2nd kick your 5th penalty is the 10th penalty overall and as such is the sudden death one.

that's even higher pressure because if you miss that is it. go home. no further chances. nada. entire country failed and you are indelibly in the history books.

"It's not the first time Neymar has waited to take a penalty. Brazil's World Cup tie against Chile in 2014 was also decided by a shootout, with Neymar taking the fifth and final spot kick. And he took the last penalty in the win against Germany in the 2016 Olympics final.

Tite HIMSELF explains TODAY:

"The fifth penalty is the decisive one," Brazil boss Tite told reporters [after the Croatian defeat]. "There is more pressure and the players who are best prepared should take that penalty kick. The only disorganisation in our team was that we did not score more than one goal during the game.""

Neymar slammed by fans for Brazil penalty decision in World Cup catastrophe


"Many assumed that the 30-year-old was planning on taking the fifth, and usually decisive penalty, something Tite confirmed post-match.
‘He is the fifth and decisive penalty taker,’ the 61-year-old said.
‘The player who has more quality and the mentality to step up then is under greatest pressure.’

The tactic is nothing new to football"

Brazil boss explains why Neymar didn't take a penalty against Croatia

Arsene Wenger

"I decide who takes the penalties but I want the agreement of the players I choose," Wenger told Arsenal Player.

"I say 'I want you to take a penalty, are you OK? If a player says no you cannot put a gun on him and say he will take it. Then after that what do I consider? The calmness of the player, the fact they have played a long time or not in the game, the fact they have had a positive experience or not in the game.

After England loss:

The truth is that the list of penalty-takers would have been decided days ago. The players had practiced and the coaches had prepared. The best five takers were selected. All volunteers, no one press ganged against their will.
Southgate has come in for criticism for his decision to bring on Marcus Rashford and Jadon Sancho just minutes before the end, rather than giving them a bit longer to get acclimatised to the game.

Seems like we’re both right but you leaving out the fact that player can influence the decision

 

[Roid Jones]

I want Morocco to win
But
I think we need that Portugal Argentina final

Breh, a once in a life time final, featuring once in a life time players, the winner is possibly the GOAT and finishes off a decade plus rivalry. Shyt sounds like a Hollywood script

 

[Yayo Toure]

I ain't no Messi fan but it's incredible he's having his best world cup at this stage of his career. I think Croatia will punish them but still a good tournament for him.

 

[null]

Arsene Wenger


After England loss:



Seems like we’re both right but you leaving out the fact that player can influence the decision

no: you are missing the point. best player takes the last pen is the general established norm and has been for decades.

Tite is quoted ONLY because his own statements suggests that neymar did not make that CHOICE.

I didn't quote Tite to prove the general point because that would be quackery. Like you trying to use Arsene to prove a general point. Pure unadulterated quackery.

Outside of this your guessery about what may or may not have happened in THIS instance behind the scenes is babble-bordering tenuous conjecture / fantasy and so I will continue to show it the attention it deserves and continue ignoring it.

This is NOT america.

 

[Roid Jones]

The manager chooses the order, normally, NOT the players. The list is given to the referee BEFORE the penalty comp starts

Nah breh the manager has an idea of takers but asks the players, someone of Neymar's stature can definitely state when he wants to go, hell I've seen players being called back mid walk to the spot

 

[null]

None of that answers the question I asked.

it said why Tite said he went 5th.

i'll leave your guesswork about things you cannot know to you.



this is NOT america.

i know your sport is littered with narratives and your tick is to build narratives BUT hopefully you don't mind if I leave the unsubstantiated narrative guesswork to you.

 

[4-Rin]

If Morocco can't make the final then the final we need is Argentina vs Portugal

Can't underestimate Croatia though. They mopped the floor with Argentina during the last world cup

 

[null]

Nah breh the manager has an idea of takers but asks the players, someone of Neymar's stature can definitely state when he wants to go, hell I've seen players being called back mid walk to the spot

Tite said why he went 5th. Neymar has a history of going 5th. It is an established norm for the best to take the 5th. What would there be the need for any additional discussion in this case.

Tite: Are you up for taking a pen.

Neymar: Yes.

Tite: 5th as usual

Neymar: Yes

would be the most complicated realistic based-on-what-we-know convo.

Any extended convo about shifting him around or unique special order of takers for this game is conjecture. Fantasy based on nothing.

As for managers listening to players .. that depends .. You have Ole on one side, Mou, Simeone and LvG on the other. None of you bambaclats know enough about Tite to give insight into his normative behaviour and penchant for in-situ change. It's a blind narrative based on superstar vs manager BUT that does not apply like that in soccer. See Ronny wasting away on two benches this year for an example. Some managers rule with a rod of iron. Some managers hate ad-hoc changes. Some set penalty takers before the game. Some after the game. Guessing about Tite's off-screen convos is just that - guesswork. BUT we can go by the reasons he expressed and his explanation for what he did and the track history of Neymar going 5th.