Essential The Official ESPN First Take Thread

[$lim]

if you're in the NFL and you make that choice to smoke weed.......after your first dirty drop STOP. i can't lie if i was in the NFL, at some point in my career I'd smoke some weed. but after that first failed drop you would never hear about my weed habit ever again.

 

[Easy-E]

That's usually what happens when things are looked at objectively. You're gonna look like a flip flopper

Breh, stop it. That's as ridiculous as; He's not a hypocrite, he's just human.

There's having standard you adhere to and keepin' your bias at home, then there's flip-flooping.

I don't know if you saw his commentary on Jim Irsays drug situation, but, it all but excused his behavior for the SAME THING. Difference is that's a billionaire team onwer who can "make a call" and this is an athlete with a short shelf life. And lets meantion how Stephen, as he always does, brings up race for no reason, at all. Then uses the excise if "black ppl always tellin me to look out."

Dude sounding like Gordon was is child and he was scolding him as one. That's embarrassing . The man is facing a yr off, no need to treat him in that manner ESPECIALLY, when he was giggling about Irshays situation, talmbout, "What they gon so, he's a owner...he just has a problem he needs help with." There was no talk of plastering his face all on the news.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Breh, stop it. That's as ridiculous as; He's not a hypocrite, he's just human.

There's having standard you adhere to and keepin' your bias at home, then there's flip-flooping.

I don't know if you saw his commentary on Jim Irsays drug situation, but, it all but excused his behavior for the SAME THING. Difference is that's a billionaire team onwer who can "make a call" and this is an athlete with a short shelf life. And lets meantion how Stephen, as he always does, brings up race for no reason, at all. Then uses the excise if "black ppl always tellin me to look out."

Dude sounding like Gordon was is child and he was scolding him as one. That's embarrassing . The man is facing a yr off, no need to treat him in that manner ESPECIALLY, when he was giggling about Irshays situation, talmbout, "What they gon so, he's a owner...he just has a problem he needs help with." There was no talk of plastering his face all on the news.

I think the difference is... and he talked about this when skip asked him... is the fact that it's weed

skip brought up alcohol.. and said alcoholism is a disease and wondered if weed was like that.. SAS was like naaaaaah

basically he saying "it's just some weed" it's not coke or crack or meth.. put down the blunt and chill.. matter of fact, you only get one test a year... put down the blunt for 30 days and you'll be good

it's one thing to say you lost millions cause of a coke addiction. it's another to say you lost millions hitting a joint


then the first thing people say is "well it's just weed" it's like the world sees weed as this bullshyt drug that is harmless. SAS is saying, well true... so it shouldn't be that hard to stop smoking the shyt with 5 million dollars on the line

 

[Easy-E]

I think the difference is... and he talked about this when skip asked him... is the fact that it's weed

skip brought up alcohol.. and said alcoholism is a disease and wondered if weed was like that.. SAS was like naaaaaah

basically he saying "it's just some weed" it's not coke or crack or meth.. put down the blunt and chill.. matter of fact, you only get one test a year... put down the blunt for 30 days and you'll be good

it's one thing to say you lost millions cause of a coke addiction. it's another to say you lost millions hitting a joint


then the first thing people say is "well it's just weed" it's like the world sees weed as this bullshyt drug that is harmless. SAS is saying, well true... so it shouldn't be that hard to stop smoking the shyt with 5 million dollars on the line

My dude; I'm honestly not trying to hear that. SAS has a history of 1) Going soft on owners/execs/etc. 2) He's always bringin' up race, inappropriately and usin' it as a tool to chastise black folk. And we shouldn't be subjected to that, especially on a sports show--not to meantion, he's almost always off-base (see him bringing up race [and its always w pur ppl]).

It'll be one thng if this was a one off thing, but dude has a history

 

[Maizeandbluekid]

Isiah Thomas just made SAS look foolish right now. First of all, after explaining his criteria on who to officially declare as a superstar (which was almost the EXACT same thing Skip said) SAS seemed to be all but agreeing with Isiah, even though he was venomously disagreeing with Skip. Backpedaling, much?

Also, when it seemed that SAS was trying to make excuses for CP3, seemingly lowering the bar on how to elevate to "superstar" status and win titles, Zeke shut all that noise up by saying (slight paraphrasing here) "When I won my first championship, I had to beat Jordan, Bird, Magic AND Kareem!"

Shut it down. Let's go home. Zeke delivers the ether.

 

[kp404]

My dude; I'm honestly not trying to hear that. SAS has a history of 1) Going soft on owners/execs/etc. 2) He's always bringin' up race, inappropriately and usin' it as a tool to chastise black folk. And we shouldn't be subjected to that, especially on a sports show--not to meantion, he's almost always off-base (see him bringing up race [and its always w pur ppl]).

It'll be one thng if this was a one off thing, but dude has a history

truth; SAS has used race so incorrectly on the show is ridiculous

 

[J-MIL]

Isiah Thomas just made SAS look foolish right now. First of all, after explaining his criteria on who to officially declare as a superstar (which was almost the EXACT same thing Skip said) SAS seemed to be all but agreeing with Isiah, even though he was venomously disagreeing with Skip. Backpedaling, much?

Also, when it seemed that SAS was trying to make excuses for CP3, seemingly lowering the bar on how to elevate to "superstar" status and win titles, Zeke shut all that noise up by saying (slight paraphrasing here) "When I won my first championship, I had to beat Jordan, Bird, Magic AND Kareem!"

Shut it down. Let's go home. Zeke delivers the ether.

He straight sonned that man

 

[Jplaya2023]

so Zeke doesn't think CP3 is a superstar? @J-MIL

 

[J-MIL]

so Zeke doesn't think CP3 is a superstar? @J-MIL

Nope same way Bron wasn't a superstar til he won a chip. He basically said that term is being thrown around too loosely. Even said him and Mike wasnt superstars til they got a ring.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

truth; SAS has used race so incorrectly on the show is ridiculous

Agreed, but he's also quick to call out discrimination. Maybe I don't watch enough ESPN, but SAS was the first one I saw call out the league on Steve Kerr being such a hot job prospect without commensurate qualifications. For every 'off-putting' moment SAS has, I'll argue he has atleast 2 more that make up for it

 

[Maizeandbluekid]

Nope same way Bron wasn't a superstar til he won a chip. He basically said that term is being thrown around too loosely. Even said him and Mike wasnt superstars til they got a ring.

And he said it perfectly. When he and MJ came into the league, Bird & Magic were largely established as Superstars partly because they already had rings. The bar has been lowered tremendously since then (at least in Zeke's view), so while these dudes like Durant and CP3 are tremendously talented, and no one is disputing that, they still need to earn that official status of "Superstar" by at least winning a 'chip.

 

[kp404]

Agreed, but he's also quick to call out discrimination. Maybe I don't watch enough ESPN, but SAS was the first one I saw call out the league on Steve Kerr being such a hot job prospect without any real qualifications. For every 'off-putting' moment SAS has, I'll argue he has atleast 2 more that make up for it

true he does call out discrimination I'll give you that

 

[Jplaya2023]

Nope same way Bron wasn't a superstar til he won a chip. He basically said that term is being thrown around too loosely.

i see,

Zeke has hard criteria then. I guess to him KD isn't a superstar, along with roazay & others.

Lebron was the best player in the league long before he won his first title and Jordan was as well.

In 89 bird was hurt and didn't even play that first round against the pistons, so zeke wasn't being 100% honest lol

 

[Jplaya2023]

And he said it perfectly. When he and MJ came into the league, Bird & Magic were largely established as Superstars partly because they already had rings. The bar has been lowered tremendously since then (at least in Zeke's view), so while these dudes like Durant and CP3 are tremendously talented, and no one is disputing that, they still need to earn that official status of "Superstar" by at least winning a 'chip.

so lebron wasn't a superstar until 2012?

 

[Rekkapryde]

It's cuz he flip flops between proud black man spitting the real and uncle tom by the week. He's really frustrating because when he's on, he's really on and I appreciate it, but when he's off, he comes off sounding like a huge sellout.

It's like he forgets that he's supposed to and c00n sometimes. His ESPN "persona" is to be the hard on black people guy, but then you have the "real nikka" Stephen A who busts out and forgets that he's supposed to be selling his ESPN persona