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Published work[edit]
  • Volume I: Lea Kokoyé; Madan Ròròl
  • Volume II: Zabèlbòk Berachat; Bòs Chaleran
  • Volume III: Ti Sentaniz; Madan Senvilus; Lòk Tama; Pè Tanmba
  • Volume IV: Gwo Moso; Ti Kam; Tant Mezi; Ronma lan ekspò; Priyè devan katedral
  • Volume V: J'ai vengé la race; Dépestre; Le corallin du Célibataire; Les ambassadeurs à Kinshasa
  • Volume VI: Madan Jul; Ton chal; L'homme citron; Men yon lòt lang; Pleyonas; Téofil; Le jeune agronome; Général Ti Kòk; La petite veste de galerie de Papa
Today, the Foyer Maurice Sixto, honors his work and social commentary found in Ti Sentanize, where Sixto derides his fellow bourgeosie countrymen for their abuse and forced labor of domestic children servants also referred to as Restavecs

To me, Gwo moso is by far the funniest. G.O.A.T. quotes like "mwen fèt ak kwaf. Li banm yon pwen bourik" and the whole "Bali Boulevaaaaa" and "Chalmas..." shenanigans make that shyt hilarious. That;s where Wyclef sampled it from on his first album
Leya Kokoye was hilarious in a sense. That's where i get the "dèt l'ap fè li pa ka péyé" quote i saying when talking about fine women.
Sentaniz was just plain sad but an interesting story but still makes it funny enough that you keep listening.
I dont remember Madan Jul, tho. I mean i remember the name but i dont remember details or quotes from it.
Zabelbòk is the perfect story for all the wanna-be elitists mofos who's money is short but still try to keep up appearances. Mofo who dont understand that you you adjust to life. Not the other way around.
There is one not mentioned here. Unless the name of it doesnt reflect the name in the story but one called "Bòs Absalor" was funny too
 

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I understand what you mean.

But also.



It seems the govt aint tryna budge.

See them little kids in the video? This is what i dislike sometimes. When they announce that they will protest and do it on the day they announce then fine. That way schools close ahead of time or parents keep their kids at home. What i hate is when they start out of nowhere and next thing you know little kids in school are in the streets like you see in the video trying to make it home while them cats are throwing rocks and the police and military are shooting in the air to try and disperse them.

shyt happened to me twice where i got stranded.

Last time I was probably 15ish and just left school with some classmates. We typically would walk about 3 mile from the school to get to Grand-Rue and catch the bus there. Out of nowhere we shots firing at a distance. As we made it closer to Grand-rue we start seeing all the barricades and tires burning in the streets. No buses were coming because they aint trying to get their windshields hit with rocks or get the bus burned up. So me and my friends asked several people if we could make a phone call to call home but most people had already locked their doors.

As we crossed grand-rue we passed a barricade of burning tires and there was a body near it. Someone was saying he tried to move the barricades so a car could go through and got shot.

Lucky me, my dad used to do contract work for ERF and their offices was just 2 blocks south of Grand-rue. We made it to the gate and one of the employees recognized me and let us in. I called my dad's shop in Carrefour and the guys there said he left to go get me when he heard about what had erupted downtown. But thing is... we weren't at the school anymore. We were already 3 miles away. And this was 92 or 93 so no cell phones. Thank God one of the ERF truck drivers who was cool with my dad got word that i was at the building. He himself had already left and went home but he somehow got a hold of my dad and told him I was at the building. My dad called over there and said all roads were blocked so just stay put and he'd come get me when possible. The security dudes just opened the truck drivers' lounge for us and we stayed there listening to radio til damn near 8PM waiting
 
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The solution to fix Haiti is an authoritarian government. Democracy has been an abject failure. And when I mean authoritarian I mean nothing like Kaddafi, Duvalier or Mugabe because those regimes are not sustainable. Something like Cuba, Singapore or China where it’s built around not one man but one party. Aristide almost had this but made too many mistakes. First off instead of demobilizing the military he should have done what what Chávez after his coup. Purge the shyt out of the military and put in pro Lavalas officers in the military. That would have been much better because this would have kept the army in place. And would have prevented ex soldiers from forming gangs which led to the crime wave we saw in Haiti in the mid to late 90s.

The problem is the US, France and Canada will prevent that from happening. They want Haiti to have democracy because it makes it easier for them to spread chaos and bedlam in Haiti. Keep it weak and divided. Allowing the elites who are their puppets to loot the country dry.
 

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Purge the shyt out of the military and put in pro Lavalas officers in the military. That would have been much better because this would have kept the army in place. And would have prevented ex soldiers from forming gangs which led to the crime wave we saw in Haiti in the mid to late 90s.

But isn't that exactly how Iraq fell into civil war?
 

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The solution to fix Haiti is an authoritarian government. Democracy has been an abject failure. And when I mean authoritarian I mean nothing like Kaddafi, Duvalier or Mugabe because those regimes are not sustainable. Something like Cuba, Singapore or China where it’s built around not one man but one party. Aristide almost had this but made too many mistakes. First off instead of demobilizing the military he should have done what what Chávez after his coup. Purge the shyt out of the military and put in pro Lavalas officers in the military. That would have been much better because this would have kept the army in place. And would have prevented ex soldiers from forming gangs which led to the crime wave we saw in Haiti in the mid to late 90s.

The problem is the US, France and Canada will prevent that from happening. They want Haiti to have democracy because it makes it easier for them to spread chaos and bedlam in Haiti. Keep it weak and divided. Allowing the elites who are their puppets to loot the country dry.

I agree that western style democracy isn't suited to the country. Don't think that system will ever be compatible in Haiti.
Just like certain plants will not grow in every climate.
 

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The solution to fix Haiti is an authoritarian government. Democracy has been an abject failure. And when I mean authoritarian I mean nothing like Kaddafi, Duvalier or Mugabe because those regimes are not sustainable. Something like Cuba, Singapore or China where it’s built around not one man but one party. Aristide almost had this but made too many mistakes. First off instead of demobilizing the military he should have done what what Chávez after his coup. Purge the shyt out of the military and put in pro Lavalas officers in the military. That would have been much better because this would have kept the army in place. And would have prevented ex soldiers from forming gangs which led to the crime wave we saw in Haiti in the mid to late 90s.

Yep, Haiti needs a Castro like regime. Or better yet a one party authoritarian like the Chama Cha Mapinduzi party of Tanzania. The bolded is a very GOOD idea, but also another reason why those regimes in Venezuela and Cuba survived this long was because of powerful allies such as Russia/Soviet Union and China. Had NEEDS powerful allies outside the west. The corrupt Haitian boule govt choosing Taiwan over China was a huge punch in the gut for Haiti.

The problem is the US, France and Canada will prevent that from happening. They want Haiti to have democracy because it makes it easier for them to spread chaos and bedlam in Haiti. Keep it weak and divided. Allowing the elites who are their puppets to loot the country dry.

At this point Haiti is just a little geopolitical experiment for the USA/West. A very demonic one at that. The bolded is also why the USA/West despises one party dominate regimes.

But I have a question, and I believe you are very knowledgeable enough to answer. Would it be realistic if the Haitian opposition got support from Russia or even the Chinese? I do know this would cause a big red alert to America. But Haiti needs strong allies to shake off the West/USA.
 

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The solution to fix Haiti is an authoritarian government. Democracy has been an abject failure. And when I mean authoritarian I mean nothing like Kaddafi, Duvalier or Mugabe because those regimes are not sustainable. Something like Cuba, Singapore or China where it’s built around not one man but one party. Aristide almost had this but made too many mistakes. First off instead of demobilizing the military he should have done what what Chávez after his coup. Purge the shyt out of the military and put in pro Lavalas officers in the military. That would have been much better because this would have kept the army in place. And would have prevented ex soldiers from forming gangs which led to the crime wave we saw in Haiti in the mid to late 90s.

The problem is the US, France and Canada will prevent that from happening. They want Haiti to have democracy because it makes it easier for them to spread chaos and bedlam in Haiti. Keep it weak and divided. Allowing the elites who are their puppets to loot the country dry.
I'm mad that I can only give you 10 rep points for this post even though fundamentally, I disagree.

And when I say that I disagree fundamentally it's because to me every people every group of people should have the right to choose their leader. That's just a basic right to me. However I agree with you that the start of democracy that runs there now will not work because it's too easily manipulated by outside influencers.

Looking back at it, Aristide was the right guy for it but my problem with Aristide is during his initial term he was way too divisive. He was further dividing a people that was already divided as it was. And it was obvious even within the middle class in the poor people. My dad hated them but my mom and her sisters loved him.

But to me if he had set his personal feelings aside in public and managed things better there's no limit to what he could have done in the country. He was extremely popular among the poor in the middle class and won the election by a landslide so he would always have the people's support. But the minute he went into office he was talking reckless and made enemies very quickly. Powerful enemies at that.

The other problem that came with Aristide was the fanatical aspect of him. He was so popular that you would not dare speak or say anything bad about or against him. You say bad things about Titid in certain neighborhoods people would threaten to kill you if not kill you on sight. It was not his doing at all. The people just loved him that much and it would destroy anything that seemed to threaten him.

But in my mind, now that I look back at it, yes, Aristide was supposed to be that dude for Haiti. But too bad the US and Canadians torpedoed his presidency the first time and then by the time he was restored in power years later he was pretty much their puppets himself as they forced him to do things their way.

I had high hopes for Jovenel but he's becoming a joke at this point. But I feel that anyone that's elected will just be another puppet regardless of political party they rep.

Martelly was always a joke to me. I was ashamed when they elected him. Tho I liked his PM . He spearhead a lot of programs for the people but eventually the opposition protested enough to get him removed. I had attended one of his meetings at Miami Dade college and he seemed like he had good intentions. Just could never support Martelly himself.


My bad my bad if this post reads kind of f***** up because posting it using voice to text since I can't talk right now and my accent tends to fukk things up with voice to text. I'll come back later and edit
 
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I'm impressed/surprised shyt was so peaceful.:ehh:

Just spoke to my half brother in Haiti and he said there didn't seem to be much if any violence like last time. Just typical burning tire barricades as usual.
Knowing how bad shyt can get in PAP, I'll take that :manny:
But I wonder if this will be enough for Jovenel to fall on the sword. The other thing is what's the plan for a replacement when he does? Immediate elections or gouvernement provisoire as usual?

Really wished Jovenel had came through with his promise to solve the energy crisis once and for all but the Petro Caraïbe money issue and the gas outage will likely cause his downfall
 
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I'm mad that I can only give you 10 rep points for this post even though fundamentally, I disagree.

And when I say that I disagree fundamentally it's because to me every people every group of people should have the right to choose their leader. That's just a basic right to me. However I agree with you that the start of democracy that runs there now will not work because it's too easily manipulated by outside influencers.

Looking back at it, Aristide was the right guy for it but my problem with Aristide is during his initial term he was way too divisive. He was further dividing a people that was already divided as it was. And it was obvious even within the middle class in the poor people. My dad hated them but my mom and her sisters loved him.

But to me if he had set his personal feelings aside in public and managed things better there's no limit to what he could have done in the country. He was extremely popular among the poor in the middle class and won the election by a landslide so he would always have the people's support. But the minute he went into office he was talking reckless and made enemies very quickly. Powerful enemies at that.

The other problem that came with Aristide was the fanatical aspect of him. He was so popular that you would not dare speak or say anything bad about or against him. You say bad things about Titid in certain neighborhoods people would threaten to kill you if not kill you on sight. It was not his doing at all. The people just loved him that much and it would destroy anything that seemed to threaten him.

But in my mind, now that I look back at it, yes, Aristide was supposed to be that dude for Haiti. But too bad the US and Canadians torpedoed his presidency the first time and then by the time he was restored in power years later he was pretty much their puppets himself as they forced him to do things their way.

I had high hopes for Jovenel but he's becoming a joke at this point. But I feel that anyone that's elected will just be another puppet regardless of political party they rep.

Martelly was always a joke to me. I was ashamed when they elected him. Tho I liked his PM . He spearhead a lot of programs for the people but eventually the opposition protested enough to get him removed. I had attended one of his meetings at Miami Dade college and he seemed like he had good intentions. Just could never support Martelly himself.


My bad my bad if this post reads kind of f***** up because posting it using voice to text since I can't talk right now and my accent tends to fukk things up with voice to text. I'll come back later and edit

I understand brother however you cant tell me after Jean Claude fell Haiti was ready for democracy. We look at Haiti’s history and it’s always the same. There is a period of democracy but then the elites and foreign power interfere then there is chaos and bedlam. And the only times there was any semblance of peace and stability was under dictatorships. But too many people died during those time. My family has Duvalierist elements in it. However we also lost people being accused of being communist and never found again. Smh. At the end of the day an authoritarian government provides stability, gets shyt done, and is self sustaining like Cuba or China. Haitian are an authoritarian people. Very pro law and order. All they want is a job, get their kids to school and stability. Mark my words at some point the people won’t take it anymore and an authoritarian will seize power in haiti. Especially when America completely declines.
 
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