Essential The Official Contemporary Haitian Geopolitics/Event thread

[loyola llothta]

Truth is if the "puppet" president gets removed he'll just be replaced by a puppet president from the opposition's side.

The last president that was not a puppet that Haiti ha was Aristide and the US and Canadians conspired and had him overthrown. By the time he was restored to power 3 years later he was doing everything Bill Clinton told him to do to the letter. We all seen the Bill Clinton tariffs video by now, havent we?
So you can root against Jovenel all you want since he's a puppet (which he is, now) but the minute he steps down the US will just replace him with another puppet.

Recall The U.S. didnt want Jovenel to win. Thus why they delayed the election for almost 2 years because they knew their boy had no shot at beating Jovenel. Whatever happened since that turned Jovenel is speculations. All i know is when he was running he was pro Chinese deals and that's why the U.S. was not supporting him. All the sudden the Chinese put the offer on the table and he does exactly what the American government tells him: Turn down the deal from the Chinese and votes against Venezuela at the OEA. Suddenly the same U.S. senators and Clintons that were opposed to him getting elected are on twitter praising his passing on the Chinese deal and voting against Venezuela.

You do the math...

nikka what? Nobody should take you serious about Haiti

We understand you and your family is part of the haitian sellouts who commit treason on your own people for the west but god Damn

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Truth is if the "puppet" president gets removed he'll just be replaced by a puppet president from the opposition's side.

The last president that was not a puppet that Haiti ha was Aristide and the US and Canadians conspired and had him overthrown. By the time he was restored to power 3 years later he was doing everything Bill Clinton told him to do to the letter. We all seen the Bill Clinton tariffs video by now, havent we?
So you can root against Jovenel all you want since he's a puppet (which he is, now) but the minute he steps down the US will just replace him with another puppet.

Remember The U.S. didnt want Jovenel to win in 2015. Thus why they delayed the election for almost 2 years because they knew their boy had no shot at beating Jovenel. Whatever happened since that turned Jovenel is speculations. All i know is when he was running he was pro Chinese deals and that's why the U.S. was not supporting him. All the sudden the Chinese put the offer on the table and he does exactly what the American government tells him: Turn down the deal from the Chinese and votes against Venezuela at the OEA. Suddenly the same U.S. senators and Clintons that were opposed to him getting elected are on twitter praising his passing on the Chinese deal and voting against Venezuela.

You do the math...

Good posts and agreed. However, the USA have failed time and time again to root out the communist govt of Cuba who imo they have just as much dislike. I think if we get the Clintons out the way(prison but unlikely) it'll be a big win for Haiti. In my opinion Haiti needs powerful backers like Communist Cuba had. You can agree or disagree with Maduro but he has the support of the Russians and Chinese. Haiti has no support.

That is what we need.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Get at the haitian elite business and take the c00n police down by force

Weren't they targeting the Haitian elite businesses? If so they should keep at it.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

nikka what? Nobody should take you serious about Haiti

We understand you and your family is part of the haitian sellouts who commit treason on your own people for the west but god Damn

He did make some good points.

 

[intruder]

nikka what? Nobody should take you serious about Haiti

We understand you and your family is part of the haitian sellouts who commit treason on your own people for the west but god Damn

I have one uncle who's a sell out and I didnt meet the fukka until i was in my late 30s. I have spoken to him once at a funeral when we were introduced. My mother (his own sister) barely speaks to him mainly because of his politics.
Outside of him, everyone in my family except for my dad (R.I.P) were hardcore Aristide supporters up until the fiasco during his 2nd term. And honestly i think they are still hardcore Lavalas supporters because they shyt on Martelly and his party every chance they get.
But sure believe what you wanna, doggy
I personally have have always refrained from taking sides in Haitian politics because all the parties are corrupt and hell-bent on making eachother look bad rather than doing anything progressive. One party will start a good project and when the other one takes over rather than finish it they'd rather destroy it and let it die just out of spite to discredit the other.

Dont believe me? Look up how many hospitals built during the Aristide era that his predecessors have left abandoned. Just out of spite. Martelly did the same.

 

[intruder]

Good posts and agreed. However, the USA have failed time and time again to root out the communist govt of Cuba who imo they have just as much dislike. I think if we get the Clintons out the way(prison but unlikely) it'll be a big win for Haiti. In my opinion Haiti needs powerful backers like Communist Cuba had. You can agree or disagree with Maduro but he has the support of the Russians and Chinese. Haiti has no support.

That is what we need.

Ive always said this.

1. Cuba has the Russians backing them to fend off the Americans
2. Jamaica and the other Anglo islands are all backed by the United Kingdom
3. Haiti has always been in isolation and bound to be a the prey of the US and Canadian governments

 

[Bawon Samedi]

 

[Bawon Samedi]

 

[loyola llothta]

He did make some good points.

His people(if he's telling the truth) is part of the death squad of Haiti in the 90' & 80's. The same death squads trained by the CIA that killed, butchered, and rape Haitians for America. the same death squads that train the current police and Haitian army

the current Haitian government is just the rebranding of Papa/baby Doc era. This neo-duvalierist government is just the criminals from the 90s and 80's returning with the help of the US to finish off Haiti like the agents before them. The US just retooled the Duvalierist and rename them the "skin head/bald head" party(PHTK). The party was put in place by the Hilary/Obama administration illegally in 2010.

what opposition? whats the opposition going to do? ask the clown who's the opposition. the current right wing party is working with Haitian elites, Colombians drug traffickers and the west.

 

[intruder]

His people(if he's telling the truth) is part of the death squad of Haiti in the 90' & 80's. The same death squads trained by the CIA that killed, butchered, and rape Haitians for America. the same death squads that train the current police and Haitian army

the current Haitian government is just the rebranding of Papa/baby Doc era. This neo-duvalierist government is just the criminals from the 90s and 80's returning with the help of the US to finish off Haiti like the agents before them. The US just retooled the Duvalierist and rename them the "skin head/bald head" party(PHTK). The party was put in place by the Hilary/Obama administration illegally in 2010.

what opposition? whats the opposition going to do? ask the clown who's the opposition. the current right wing party is working with Haitian elites, Colombians drug traffickers and the west.

My people?
Go ahead doggy. Say what's really on your mind. All i know is all the parties with their own groups of corrupt clowns be fukking up the country. My uncle whom i referred to in this thread is someone i didnt even know existed until i was 37 y/o when my mom pointed him out to me in a picture. I eventually met him a year later at a funeral. Most of the family dont fukk with him thus why he was never around or ever even MENTIONED the whole time i grew up in Haiti and onward.

But go ahead keep getitng shyt off ya chest

 

[Bawon Samedi]

His people(if he's telling the truth) is part of the death squad of Haiti in the 90' & 80's. The same death squads trained by the CIA that killed, butchered, and rape Haitians for America. the same death squads that train the current police and Haitian army

the current Haitian government is just the rebranding of Papa/baby Doc era. This neo-duvalierist government is just the criminals from the 90s and 80's returning with the help of the US to finish off Haiti like the agents before them. The US just retooled the Duvalierist and rename them the "skin head/bald head" party(PHTK). The party was put in place by the Hilary/Obama administration illegally in 2010.

what opposition? whats the opposition going to do? ask the clown who's the opposition. the current right wing party is working with Haitian elites, Colombians drug traffickers and the west.

So the current govt(PHTK) are just a rebrand of the Duvalierist party. Makes sense as they have that bourgeoisie Haitian vibe to them just like the reigning party of the Baby Doc era.

As for the bolded if I am reading you right, there is hardly no opposition? Anyways, I know the right wing govt is working with the Haitian elites the two go hand and hand. But can you educate me on Colombian drug traffickers in Haiti? Also it seems throughout modern Haitian history left wing politics has always been stomped out. Heck we see this trend throughout Latin America.

Lastly, I personally doubt Intruder shares those Duvalierist views.

 

[intruder]

So the current govt(PHTK) are just a rebrand of the Duvalierist party.

It is not but a lot of recycled mofos in there from what i understand.

As for the bolded if I am reading you right, there is hardly no opposition?

If there are no opposition who's sponsoring all these protests? Are we acting like dudes like Moises Jean-Charles and his "Pitit Dessalines" party doesnt exist? Are we gonna act like The Lavalas party doesnt still have a strong following/supporters that would run through a wall for them?

As a matter of fact you dint even need to go to Haiti to see it. Just join any Haitian FB group and see how mofos still go at each other over political parties in Haiti

Anyways, I know the right wing govt is working with the Haitian elites the two go hand and hand.

No denying this at all. They were the first to complain about Aristide and his politics. I must have been like 13 and I didnt get it at the time but basically all the rich mofos opposed Aristide white the middle class and the poor supported him 100%

Lastly, I personally doubt Intruder shares those Duvalierist views.

Ive never share Duvalieriste views. Personally from my own readings and people I have talked to Francois had his qualities. Sure he was a brutal dictator who crushed his opposition but like many dictators (Castro, Idi Amin, Ghathafi, etc) he had his supporters too. Most of them will argue that Papa Doc built Peligre, The Airport and all the major roads in the country to develop the infrastructure the country lacked at the time and died with the country having 0 debt blah blah blah and that It was Jean-Claude who got us in debt and took all the money.

Personally i was totally opposed to Martelly as predident. Like him as an artist but I was disgusted that he got elected. As a teenager that's didn't know anything about politics I didn't care much for Aristide but as I got older I understood and appreciated him. When Jovenel was running and i followed is campaign i had hope because he had a realistic vision of what he wanted to accomplish during his time. But like most politicians , campaign promises and reality arent the same. However while I'm on the fence about him still i dont approve of violent protest and burning down of government office, private homes and businesses and public buildings like what hapenned a few months ago. @loyola llothta may think it's good to flame the fire of revolution but me personally having seen the violence first hand when growing up there as a teenager would like to see it come to a stop. I just want Haitians to be able to transition from one government to anotther without a death toll and the city being on fire for months on end. I want peace.


Wherever @loyola llothta gets his opinions about me and "my people" he can shove it up his ass and do his research. My family was a typical middle-class haitian family with limited means. We were poor? NO. My father was mechanic and owned a shop that rebuilt Diesel engines. He worked for many small truck owners many of whom couldnt even afford to pay him half the time. Starting in 1983 ,He, along with 6 other shops became government contractors that repaired government owned trucks and buses since the American companies charged so much. Through that he made close friends in the Haitian military. My father hated politics and politicians. His famous quote that he used to repeat all the time was "if i ever go and vote I hope the fukking finger falls the fukk off" referencing the red dy they used to make people dip their finger in after you vote in Haiti. He also hated the military. He and my mom pretty much stopped talking to me for a few months when i joined the U.S. military

As for my uncle, ive already addressed that i previous posts.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

 

[loyola llothta]

Revealed: USAID funded group supporting Haitian president in 2011
After the US pushed to overturn the 2010 election, agency gave a political movement backing Martelly support worth $100K

July 15, 2015 5:00AM ET



PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — The U.S. Agency for International Development gave nearly $100,000 to a Haitian political movement with close ties to President Michel Martelly after the country’s 2010 elections, documents obtained by Al Jazeera show. The money was allocated shortly after Washington helped overturn the election results to thrust Martelly into power.

On the afternoon of Haiti’s Nov. 28, 2010, elections, 12 of 18 presidential candidates took the stage at the glamorous Karibe Hotel, high up in the mountains that surround the capital. The elections were a fraudulent mess, they told the gathered press, and the only way out was to cancel the poll and start over. Chaos soon engulfed Port-au-Prince and other cities, as thousands of young Haitians, many clad in the pink synonymous with Michel “Sweet Micky” Martelly, took to the streets to simultaneously denounce electoral fraud and herald the victory of their candidate, many days before any official results would be announced.

In the midst of the mayhem, key international actors mobilized. At an emergency meeting at the home of the head of the U.N. peacekeeping mission, Edmond Mulet, leading diplomats pushed then-President René Préval to accept their offer of a plane to take him out of the country and avoid further confrontation. Mulet also approached the front-runners, including Martelly, telling them they had secured a spot in the second round and to cease calls for the election’s cancellation. Days later, when the electoral council announced preliminary results that did not have Martelly advancing to the runoff, the streets were once again taken over by largely pro-Martelly protesters. The U.S. Embassy released a statement questioning the announced results, fueling the demonstrations in Port-au-Prince.

The pressure of these pro-Martelly demonstrators — on the day of the elections and during the following weeks — was a key factor in convincing the U.S. and other international actors to intervene in Haiti’s elections and force the electoral authority to change the results of the first round, so as to ensure that Martelly remained on the ballot.

According to numerous firsthand accounts, Mouvement Tét Kale (MTK), a political organization with close ties to Martelly, was active in these street mobilizations. Now documents through Freedom of Information Act requests reveal that the U.S. government later provided nearly $100,000 in support to MTK, through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).

The arm of USAID that funded MTK can provide support to political groups, as long as that support is provided to all political parties equally and does not influence election outcomes.

The second round of that election, held in March 2011, was the last election held in Haiti. Mayors across the entire country saw their terms expire in 2012 and were replaced by political appointees who are in power today. Also in 2012, a third of the Senate reached the end of their terms; without new elections, this severely hampered the Senate’s ability to reach a quorum and legislate.

On Jan. 12, 2015, on the fifth anniversary of the earthquake, the terms of the entire Chamber of Deputies and another third of the Senate came to an end, leaving Martelly to govern by decree.

Throughout it all, the U.S. government has stood by the president. On Jan. 11, as leaders scrambled to cobble together a last-minute deal to prevent parliament from dissolving, the U.S. Embassy released a statement dumping cold water on any hopes for an agreement. Even if no deal is reached, it wrote, “the U.S. will continue to work with President Martelly and whatever legitimate Haitian government institutions remain.”

Correction: In an earlier version of this article, the subhead stated that USAID gave support to MTK shortly after the November 2010 elections. That support was given to the group in May, 2011.

Source :

Revealed: USAID funded group supporting Haitian president in 2011

 

[loyola llothta]

Aid funds to political groups

It was through the Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI) arm of USAID, specifically through the for-profit contractor Chemonics, that the support for MTK was provided. Chemonics’ contract with USAID explains that its primary focus is “to support U.S. foreign policy objectives.” Further, while noting that the “OTI cannot create a transition or impose democracy,” the office may “identify and support key individuals and groups … In short, OTI acts as a catalyst for change where there is sufficient indigenous political will.”

In the lead-up to Haiti’s election, the OTI funded campaigns to increase voter turnout that targeted Haiti’s youth, funded Haiti’s first televised debates and created a website to track election news and analysis. It also provided funding to political organizations on opposing sides, according to a former technical adviser who worked for the OTI program for Chemonics and who spoke on condition of anonymity because of a nondisclosure agreement with the contractor. USAID funding for political parties is not in and of itself a breach of policy, though it is restricted. The documents indicating $100,000 in support to MTK redact information on any funding to other groups.

USAID’s political party assistance policy, crafted in 2003 under George W. Bush’s administration, encourages support (PDF) to political parties as a way to foster “friends and allies” and develop relations with incoming governments. The policy also covers NGOs that “operate as de facto political parties.” However, support is allowed only under certain terms, including that all democratic parties receive “equitable levels of assistance” and that the funding not affect election results. Waivers must be obtained from the USAID administrator for any financing outside the scope of the policy. USAID press officer Lisa Hibbert-Simpson confirmed in an email that no waivers have been requested in Haiti since the earthquake.

“It was very difficult to be nonpartisan,” the former technical adviser said. At the time, USAID’s program was being run by both Chemonics and Development Alternatives Inc. (DAI). “If one [Mirlande] Manigat supporter goes to DAI and requests support … then OTI would ask Chemonics how to help the other party.” A 2009 Congressional Research Service (PDF) report on the OTI’s activities called the USAID branch “overtly political” and said that while it is subject to the party assistance policy, “its work often lends itself to political entanglements that may have diplomatic implications.”

Assad Volcy, a spokesman for the opposition political platform Pitit Dessalines, was unsurprised when shown evidence of U.S. support for MTK. “They give money to control the power,” he said.