The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Guys like him and Mikey their hands are stone slabs. shyt ain't normal
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That’s not where the money is, which is his biggest motivation/reason he boxes
You think AB cares about belts or wins?
Watch the post interview of the Garcia fight.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
German fighter you mean
Luckily this is usually not true anymore to UK fighters and also not to Eastern Euros
Once they get a belt they don’t leave UK and fight bums, it’s also VERY hard for people to win a decision over there.German fighter you mean
Luckily this is usually not true anymore to UK fighters and also not to Eastern Euros
ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
Delusional :shedead:
reservoirdogs
Superstar
not really, there are some of those like Terry Flanagan but it's not the common nowadays
staying in the UK and fighting bums?
let's see their current champions
Joshua: fought only in the UK so far but not bums, he has the best HW resume now
Groves: Dude fought damn near everyone who worth a note in that division the last few years
BJS: tended to fukk around in the past, still not what you would call "stay hom, fighting bums", he recently went to Canada
Lee Selby: he is the one who maybe belong in your category dude really didn't step it up since he won that belt, thankfully he's about to do so finally
Kal Yafai: Well, he only had 2 fights since he got the belt, not the worst calibre of opponents but also not the cream of his division
other relevant British champions from the past few years...
Frampton: fought LSC twice when he had the belt, once in the US
Brook: fought some light opponents but then fought GGG and Spence
Khan: fought everywhere with some quality opponents
DeGale: fought in the US/Canada multiple times, against Jack too
Terry Falnagan: your definition is probably the most true to him
Liam Smith: meh, but he still went to fight Canelo, it's a big money fight so there's that but still, you can't say he stayed at home and fought bums for years long
Haye: went to Germay to fight Klitschko
I'd also mention Eubank who's not a champion yet but he also seems to be down to fight anywehere with anyone
So your definition is only true about the small minority of recent or current British title holders, it's over the times when UK fighters were only hiding their belts at home, fighting bums
Has Manny Pacquiao Finally Become The Opponent?
By Andreas Hale
Manny Pacquiao has reached that point of his career.
You know, when he becomes an opponent rather than a challenger. Or, a name that a young fighter can put on their resume. His new role is every fighter’s worst nightmare. Unfortunately, most boxers, no matter how good they are, experience this when on the wrong side of their career.
After 23 years as a professional boxer, world titles in eight different weight classes and a legendary run that has earned him boatloads of money, Pacquiao is staring at the harsh reality of soon being known as a has-been. When reports about the possibility of a Manny Pacquiao vs. Vasyl Lomachenko fight, many groaned. It was the first time that those groans were because of Manny Pacquiao.
For most of his career, the challenge of finding a suitable opponent for Pacquiao was one that occasionally induced eye rolls and groans. During his quest to land a fight with Floyd Mayweather, Pacquiao faced opponents like a weathered Shane Mosley and overmatched foes Chris Algieri and Joshua Clottey. It wasn't until Pacquiao faced Mayweather did he find himself as the underdog. Prior to that, the last time Pacquiao was an underdog was when he faced Oscar De La Hoya, who he battered into retirement.
Even as the underdog, Pacquiao was never viewed as the opponent. He was a challenger to Floyd Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya. He was expected to beat Juan Manuel Marquez, Timothy Bradley and Jeff Horn. But now, at 39 years of age and still wearing the stench of an ugly and disputed loss to Jeff Horn, Pacquiao finds himself as the fighter trying to reclaim past glory. And former champions have two options. He can either beat up on fighters a class beneath him in overblown exhibition matches or challenge himself against the elite with the caveat that he very well may lose.
When he opted to fight Jeff Horn in Australia, Pacquiao went the former route and sought to collect a bag of money overseas while beating up on their hometown hero. Unfortunately, the fight was far more competitive than anybody anticipated it to be. By the end, Pacquiao found himself on the wrong side of a decision and his future as a boxer in question.
Roy Jones found himself in a similar space. After a decade of dominance, Jones’ star fell hard when he was knocked out by Antonio Tarver. He continued to search for his past greatness but ended up suffering multiple losses to opponents that he would have defeated with ease when he was in his prime. But Jones made a conscious decision after being stopped by Denis Lebedev to simply face lesser opposition. After a rough patch where he went 5-7, Jones has gone 11-1.
However, the quality of his opponents has left fans begging for his retirement. Yet and still, he fights.
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Pacquiao is nearing a similar situation. Jeff Horn wasn’t in his league but managed to see the final bell. The worst thing that the Filipino can do is act like his skills haven’t deteriorated and step into the ring against an elite fighter like Vasyl Lomachenko or Terence Crawford. Even from a marketing perspective, a win by either fight over Pacquiao doesn’t do much for them because Pacquiao is already considered “washed up” by many of his boxing peers. Top Rank Promotions CEO Bob Arum could see a decent return if he put either Lomachenko or Crawford in there with Pacquiao, but doesn’t he owe the Pac Man more than another loss?
It’s painfully obvious that Pacquiao continues to fight for money and another loss would seriously damage his earning potential. At the very least, he can hang his hat on the fact that he was “robbed” against Horn. That way, he can get back on his world tour of beating decent fighters in other countries in front of large crowds and sizable purses. A loss to Crawford or Lomachenko could be devastating.
The problem is that fighters like Manny Pacquiao have a hard time letting go. Once the skills have eroded, usually everything else comes tumbling down in rapid succession. Fighters such as Zab Judah, Erik Morales, Roy Jones and, of course, Mike Tyson looked increasingly vulnerable once it was evident that their skills were going downhill. Without that element of respect, they become targets that younger fighters would love to add to their portfolio. Few can escape it.
Hopefully, the mere idea of a Lomachenko, a Crawford fight, or even appearing on the undercard of Crawford’s upcoming fight with Jeff Horn, is blown to bits sooner than later. Lomachenko’s manager Egis Klimas has already shot down the idea due to the weight differential and the fact that a Pacquiao fight doesn’t necessarily do anything for him. Crawford appears to be on that same line of thinking. All we have to do is get Manny Pacquiao onboard so we won’t have to see him subjected to unnecessary punishment.
Every fighter reaches this point but few know when to bow out gracefully. Maybe Pacquiao will avoid future embarrassment by knowing when to fold them.
Has Manny Pacquiao Finally Become The Opponent?
By Andreas Hale
Manny Pacquiao has reached that point of his career.
You know, when he becomes an opponent rather than a challenger. Or, a name that a young fighter can put on their resume. His new role is every fighter’s worst nightmare. Unfortunately, most boxers, no matter how good they are, experience this when on the wrong side of their career.
After 23 years as a professional boxer, world titles in eight different weight classes and a legendary run that has earned him boatloads of money, Pacquiao is staring at the harsh reality of soon being known as a has-been. When reports about the possibility of a Manny Pacquiao vs. Vasyl Lomachenko fight, many groaned. It was the first time that those groans were because of Manny Pacquiao.
For most of his career, the challenge of finding a suitable opponent for Pacquiao was one that occasionally induced eye rolls and groans. During his quest to land a fight with Floyd Mayweather, Pacquiao faced opponents like a weathered Shane Mosley and overmatched foes Chris Algieri and Joshua Clottey. It wasn't until Pacquiao faced Mayweather did he find himself as the underdog. Prior to that, the last time Pacquiao was an underdog was when he faced Oscar De La Hoya, who he battered into retirement.
Even as the underdog, Pacquiao was never viewed as the opponent. He was a challenger to Floyd Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya. He was expected to beat Juan Manuel Marquez, Timothy Bradley and Jeff Horn. But now, at 39 years of age and still wearing the stench of an ugly and disputed loss to Jeff Horn, Pacquiao finds himself as the fighter trying to reclaim past glory. And former champions have two options. He can either beat up on fighters a class beneath him in overblown exhibition matches or challenge himself against the elite with the caveat that he very well may lose.
When he opted to fight Jeff Horn in Australia, Pacquiao went the former route and sought to collect a bag of money overseas while beating up on their hometown hero. Unfortunately, the fight was far more competitive than anybody anticipated it to be. By the end, Pacquiao found himself on the wrong side of a decision and his future as a boxer in question.
Roy Jones found himself in a similar space. After a decade of dominance, Jones’ star fell hard when he was knocked out by Antonio Tarver. He continued to search for his past greatness but ended up suffering multiple losses to opponents that he would have defeated with ease when he was in his prime. But Jones made a conscious decision after being stopped by Denis Lebedev to simply face lesser opposition. After a rough patch where he went 5-7, Jones has gone 11-1.
However, the quality of his opponents has left fans begging for his retirement. Yet and still, he fights.
Pacquiao is nearing a similar situation. Jeff Horn wasn’t in his league but managed to see the final bell. The worst thing that the Filipino can do is act like his skills haven’t deteriorated and step into the ring against an elite fighter like Vasyl Lomachenko or Terence Crawford. Even from a marketing perspective, a win by either fight over Pacquiao doesn’t do much for them because Pacquiao is already considered “washed up” by many of his boxing peers. Top Rank Promotions CEO Bob Arum could see a decent return if he put either Lomachenko or Crawford in there with Pacquiao, but doesn’t he owe the Pac Man more than another loss?
It’s painfully obvious that Pacquiao continues to fight for money and another loss would seriously damage his earning potential. At the very least, he can hang his hat on the fact that he was “robbed” against Horn. That way, he can get back on his world tour of beating decent fighters in other countries in front of large crowds and sizable purses. A loss to Crawford or Lomachenko could be devastating.
The problem is that fighters like Manny Pacquiao have a hard time letting go. Once the skills have eroded, usually everything else comes tumbling down in rapid succession. Fighters such as Zab Judah, Erik Morales, Roy Jones and, of course, Mike Tyson looked increasingly vulnerable once it was evident that their skills were going downhill. Without that element of respect, they become targets that younger fighters would love to add to their portfolio. Few can escape it.
Hopefully, the mere idea of a Lomachenko, a Crawford fight, or even appearing on the undercard of Crawford’s upcoming fight with Jeff Horn, is blown to bits sooner than later. Lomachenko’s manager Egis Klimas has already shot down the idea due to the weight differential and the fact that a Pacquiao fight doesn’t necessarily do anything for him. Crawford appears to be on that same line of thinking. All we have to do is get Manny Pacquiao onboard so we won’t have to see him subjected to unnecessary punishment.
Every fighter reaches this point but few know when to bow out gracefully. Maybe Pacquiao will avoid future embarrassment by knowing when to fold them.
Has Manny Pacquiao Finally Become The Opponent?
That’s not where the money is, which is his biggest motivation/reason he boxes
You think AB cares about belts or wins?
Watch the post interview of the Garcia fight.
A personality like Broner can make good money on that plan. As a promoter, you have to fool the public in thinking he’s got next. I guarantee he would consistently be a million dollar fighter.
It’s a much better alternative than you stock going completely down the toilet.
i wouldnt say pac is a jobber to the stars...he hasnt had a string of bad losses...his skills are declining but he hasn't faced the opponent or opponents to give him that status yet...an opponent would be an andre berto...pretty much anyone with eyes knows the horn fight was a job and it shouldnt have played out like that...it sucks for crawford cuz it should have been a true passing of the torch fight for him...however its also a 
for thurman, porter, garcia, broner..this was the type of fight that they could have took and should have pursued for short money in order to be the ones to say they bumped off pacquiao....which would have done wonders for their careers...the horn shyt fukked all that up
for thurman, porter, garcia, broner..this was the type of fight that they could have took and should have pursued for short money in order to be the ones to say they bumped off pacquiao....which would have done wonders for their careers...the horn shyt fukked all that up
King P
Legends Never Die
The juelzing
Bookmarked for next year when the fight happensEverytime they asked him about fighting Spence after his tuneup or after Shawn Porter, he started with the "well, you see, the thing is...."
He dont want that fight...he probably rooting for PEDerson on Saturday
Better hope your boy does crazy numbers like he did against Bundu, then maybe he could squeeze Spence in for the end of the year
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Bookmarked for next year when the fight happens
Better hope your boy does crazy numbers like he did against Bundu, then maybe he could squeeze Spence in for the end of the year
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Amor fati
Superstar
man parker is getting ko'ed within 6...he couldnt even beat his bum sparring partner or the other struggle filled fury convincingly
reservoirdogs
Superstar
Thurman is a good guy but it seems like he may have lost his passion for this, lost his hunger
He seems too content with where he’s at now and he is talking about being only the second or third best welterweight isn’t s problem to him