Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.
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reservoirdogs
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how joshua deals with a right hand is, he takes it on the glove. doesnt move his head. how you take a right hand on the glove is you have to turn with it, so your angle is not so squared up to it. thats because if you stay squared up to a right hand, it comes right down the middle on you. thats how wilder knocked out stiverne.
right hand right down the middle. you can see how squared up stiverne is there.
so what you do is you get less squared up and turn with it to take the angle down the middle away. so that will take the angle down the middle away but what the guy throwing the right hand can do is come around your glove. looks like this.
you can see how turning with it takes the angle for the right hand down the middle away. but it creates a way for the right hand to come around the glove.
shane used to do that to a lot of guys. he was real good at recognizing when you were trying to take away that right hand down the middle and then coming around your glove when you did. thats how he swelled up fernando vargas eye so bad coming around his glove with overhand rights. that fight was a clinic on how to do that. and thats how povetkin knocked out takam.
i think mark breland is doing a good job with wilder. you can see a lot of breland in wilder. one thing wilder can do is come down the middle with the right hand, which was how he got stiverne, or come around the glove, which he was doing to stiverne when he was trying to finish him. thats how he knocked out liakhovich. so i think he knows how to do that. i think joshua is going to have a problem squaring up because every time he does wilder is going to be thinking right hand down the middle, every time he is not squared up, wilder is going to look for the adjustment. how joshua deals with right hands, just trying to block it, means one way or the other he wont be getting away from wilders right hands.
Breland did a good job with teaching Wilder how to throw a really good straight right but what about just about anything else?
okay let's say he has a decent jab too, he has, but what about all the other punches and more importantly what about his defense?
Joshua might be too square sometimes and defense isn't his strength anyway but I think he has a better one than Wilder who often only relying on getting out of range but without any basic sense of safety, with his chin up in the air, hands straight stretched out in front of him and hopping back in a straight line. So he gives up the chance to counter because his hands are in the air and with retreating in a straight line he gives momentum to the other fighter.
To the bold one: I've never seen Wilder adjusting. He's the definition of a fighter who builds up everything in his boxing on that one punch and only can fight at one range. I only rarely seen wilder being effective anywhere else than long range. That's his territory because he's damn long himself and he can utilize it pretty well but I still don't think that masterfully cause then he would adapt it for his defense too, like Wladimir Klitschko did.
The smartest things I saw from Wilder were the Szpilka KO and how he boxed Stiverne on their first fight but out of these only the Szpilka KO needed any kind of adjustment from him and he only pulled that counter after 9 rounds of struggling with Szpilka. Otherwise wilder fights the same way all the time, maybe a little more carefully against opponents he evaluates as dangerous like on Stiverne 1.
I think mid range and inside Wilder would be absolutely dumbfounded by Joshua's combinations and in-fight skills especially that he couldn't even effectively clinch Joshua, the naturally stronger and bigger guy and his only chance really if he keeps the fight at a favorable distance to him but I really can't see him doing that based on earlier experiences of lesser fighters could get to him and because Joshua just beat the man who was one of the best in the last 10 years in keeping the favorable distance, even if he was 41. Wilder doesn't have a ramrod jab like Klitschko had and his movement isn't as refined that he could move away from the danger zone all night.
You say you're picking Wilder then?
i am picking wilder. wilder is a one trick pony. but he fights like a true big man. steady jab and a step back, to set up a right hand down the middle, or around the glove. thats it. i dont care how many parts something has if it doesnt work. it has to work. i dont care if joshua can throw every punch better and he has a better smile. how wilder fights is how a big man is supposed to fight. and it works.
if joshua wants to get in on wilder, then he has to get past that jab and that step back. and we'll see about that.
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
He's not really fast but Mikey's counter punching is crazy here.
Jacobs bytch ass needs to move to 75 where he belongs...Damn breh I didn’t realize how badly I wanted to see Jacobs vs Charlo until now
I'm not too interested in Jacobs vs smaller mw
King P
Legends Never Die
got credentials for Rigo/Loma
Still want to go, but the tickets are too pricey for my liking
If they drop as the fight gets closer, might pull the trigger
@merklman @BlackManLiveFromLondon @ComorianKid @reservoirdogs So Eddie Hearn admitting they nervous huh???
Hearn has opened talks with Wilder's team regarding a massive heavyweight unification fight in 2018 but admits Wilder could hold more dangers due to being fulling in his prime years at 32 years old.
Joshua battled hard to overcome Klitschko at the ripe old age of 41, recovering from a knockdown and massive fatigue to eventually score a stoppage down the stretch.
As things begin to get serious between Joshua and Wilder, Hearn gave out vibes that he may want to delay the fight until at least the second half of 2018.
"Anthony likes to jump in and take fights, sometimes against advice like against Wladimir Klitschko," Hearn explained to Sky Sports.
"As much confidence as I have in Anthony Joshua, I know the dangers of that fight. It's the same as I felt in the Klitschko fight, but the difference in this fight is it's two guys in their prime.
Hearn has opened talks with Wilder's team regarding a massive heavyweight unification fight in 2018 but admits Wilder could hold more dangers due to being fulling in his prime years at 32 years old.
Joshua battled hard to overcome Klitschko at the ripe old age of 41, recovering from a knockdown and massive fatigue to eventually score a stoppage down the stretch.
As things begin to get serious between Joshua and Wilder, Hearn gave out vibes that he may want to delay the fight until at least the second half of 2018.
"Anthony likes to jump in and take fights, sometimes against advice like against Wladimir Klitschko," Hearn explained to Sky Sports.
"As much confidence as I have in Anthony Joshua, I know the dangers of that fight. It's the same as I felt in the Klitschko fight, but the difference in this fight is it's two guys in their prime.
He says Wilder doesnt want the fight....but then says the fight is happening:
Then he comes out & says he's nervous to make the fight:
So who really doesnt want it & what's the truth?
Hearn talks outta both sides of his mouth:dead2:
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Sounding a lot like Golden Boy on GGG-Canelo.
Number 1, 3-5 look serious too (now that Ward retired)You can really see that HBO wants Bivol to come out as the winner of the Bivol-Barrera-Kovalev trio
they switched the agenda quick after Kovalev's losses
btw Bivol ain't bad but as of right now I would pick Barrera against him and Kovalev too if Kovalev isn't done mentally which is a big "if"
