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[Bigblackted4]

So like I said before maybe not on here but it’s more Golden Boy/Eddie Hearn holding back a fighter than a fighter being scared to fight their toughest opponent yet.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Number 1, 3-5 look serious too (now that Ward retired)

What you mean breh?

 

[reservoirdogs]

@merklman @BlackManLiveFromLondon @ComorianKid @reservoirdogs So Eddie Hearn admitting they nervous huh???






Hearn has opened talks with Wilder's team regarding a massive heavyweight unification fight in 2018 but admits Wilder could hold more dangers due to being fulling in his prime years at 32 years old.

Joshua battled hard to overcome Klitschko at the ripe old age of 41, recovering from a knockdown and massive fatigue to eventually score a stoppage down the stretch.

As things begin to get serious between Joshua and Wilder, Hearn gave out vibes that he may want to delay the fight until at least the second half of 2018.

"Anthony likes to jump in and take fights, sometimes against advice like against Wladimir Klitschko," Hearn explained to Sky Sports.

"As much confidence as I have in Anthony Joshua, I know the dangers of that fight. It's the same as I felt in the Klitschko fight, but the difference in this fight is it's two guys in their prime.

they building up the fight...
Straight out of the Mayweather book... talk up your opponents so more people will tune in

even if he thinks it seriously though I disagree with him, I think the version of Wlad Joshua beat was still a better fighter than Wilder and would still be Joshua's best win for me.

 

[reservoirdogs]

i am picking wilder. wilder is a one trick pony. but he fights like a true big man. steady jab and a step back, to set up a right hand down the middle, or around the glove. thats it. i dont care how many parts something has if it doesnt work. it has to work. i dont care if joshua can throw every punch better and he has a better smile. how wilder fights is how a big man is supposed to fight. and it works.

if joshua wants to get in on wilder, then he has to get past that jab and that step back. and we'll see about that.

I got you breh even though I disagree. I think Joshua's gonna KO him inside 5-6 rounds from the same reasons I mentioned in that long ass post
Wilder just doesn't look like someone who could keep Joshua off of him. Steady jab...? maybe but as I said, Wladimir Klitschko was the master of keeping the distance and he had a strong as fukk jab next to it not like Wilder's, also a strong as fukk left hook so he had three grade A weapons (jab, straight right, left hook) and Joshua could still close the distance and beat him... He only gonna do the same but easier against Wilder imo
Wilder has a good one-two, a decent but not great jab and a great right hand, but I don't think anybody can live off that all his career without losing big fights against Joshua that shyt won't be enough and all his one sidedness and all his weaknesses, especially the defensive ones gonna bite him in the ass

 

[reservoirdogs]

If Dillian Whyte can beat Breazeale, then Id consider him at least C+

that would be an interesting fight, if they do it quick like in January the winner could maybe go against Wilder next before AJ vs Wilder, assuming they fight on the summer and both will have a fight before

 

[Yuzo]

I got you breh even though I disagree. I think Joshua's gonna KO him inside 5-6 rounds from the same reasons I mentioned in that long ass post
Wilder just doesn't look like someone who could keep Joshua off of him. Steady jab...? maybe but as I said, Wladimir Klitschko was the master of keeping the distance and he had a strong as fukk jab next to it not like Wilder's, also a strong as fukk left hook so he had three grade A weapons (jab, straight right, left hook) and Joshua could still close the distance and beat him... He only gonna do the same but easier against Wilder imo
Wilder has a good one-two, a decent but not great jab and a great right hand, but I don't think anybody can live off that all his career without losing big fights against Joshua that shyt won't be enough and all his one sidedness and all his weaknesses, especially the defensive ones gonna bite him in the ass

i think klitschko gave that fight away. he really fell in love with that leaping left hook and only he can tell you why. i know i cant. emmanuel steward had to be break dancing in his grave every time klitschko decided to throw one of those god damn leaping left hooks from across the universe. thats not how emmanuel steward fighters fight.

joshua saw all those coming. what the jab does, is it hides your right hand, so to speak. if wilder does not have a good jab, then explain why he has a good right hand. the two go together.

klitschko did not get walked down. he got hit with an uppercut coming out of a clinch with his head down. what a sin. i think you have it the other way. joshua was the guy who was getting walked down in that fight. it wasnt klitschko.

 

[reservoirdogs]

i think klitschko gave that fight away. he really fell in love with that leaping left hook and only he can tell you why. i know i cant. emmanuel steward had to be break dancing in his grave every time klitschko decided to throw one of those god damn leaping left hooks from across the universe. thats not how emmanuel steward fighters fight.

joshua saw all those coming. what the jab does, is it hides your right hand, so to speak. if wilder does not have a good jab, then explain why he has a good right hand. the two go together.

klitschko did not get walked down. he got hit with an uppercut coming out of a clinch with his head down. what a sin. i think you have it the other way. joshua was the guy who was getting walked down in that fight. it wasnt klitschko.

Klitschko likes his left hooks against tall opponents though, he absolutely murked Pulev with them

and I don't say Wilder's jab is bad or anything but don't think it's great either, he isn't among the boxers I think of when I hear great jabs from current fighters, that's why I compared it to Wlad's who was one of the best in this.

and it's been a few months I've last seen Wlad vs Joshua but I'm pretty sure it was Wlad trying to box and move while Joshua trying to get close to him and walk him down.
I don't specifically think of the uppercut either, Joshua got Wlad is the 5th round too and he won more rounds, so that shows he was effective.

We will see next year though... hopefully, I'm fairly confident in a Joshua win, Wilder always has that chance but it's not a 50-50 at all imo

 

[reservoirdogs]

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

i think klitschko gave that fight away. he really fell in love with that leaping left hook and only he can tell you why. i know i cant. emmanuel steward had to be break dancing in his grave every time klitschko decided to throw one of those god damn leaping left hooks from across the universe. thats not how emmanuel steward fighters fight.

joshua saw all those coming. what the jab does, is it hides your right hand, so to speak. if wilder does not have a good jab, then explain why he has a good right hand. the two go together.

klitschko did not get walked down. he got hit with an uppercut coming out of a clinch with his head down. what a sin. i think you have it the other way. joshua was the guy who was getting walked down in that fight. it wasnt klitschko.

Yup....
People don't respect Wilder's jab like that because he's not a guy that's out there breaking you down with it all fight long like a Winky or Quartey. Wilder just throws it to set up his right hand and usually once that's done it's a wrap (except for the 1st Stiverne fight) If your jab allows you to get off your money shot constantly, then yeah I'd say you have a pretty effective jab.

Agreed with Joshua getting walking down for large portions of that fight. It's like people forget that he had to make the come back. Wlad was slowly walking him down, but was over doing it with those telegraphed left hooks. All Wlad had to do was box aggressively behind the jab and put his punches together and AJ would have been taken out. Instead he pawed with the jab and threw sparse left hooks that were easy to time which allowed AJ to recover and get his 2nd wind back.

Wilder won't let Joshua off the hook like that.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Yup....
People don't respect Wilder's jab like that because he's not a guy that's out there breaking you down with it all fight long like a Winky or Quartey. Wilder just throws it to set up his right hand and usually once that's done it's a wrap (except for the 1st Stiverne fight) If your jab allows you to get off your money shot constantly, then yeah I'd say you have a pretty effective jab.

Agreed with Joshua getting walking down for large portions of that fight. It's like people forget that he had to make the come back. Wlad was slowly walking him down, but was over doing it with those telegraphed left hooks. All Wlad had to do was box aggressively behind the jab and put his punches together and AJ would have been taken out. Instead he pawed with the jab and threw sparse left hooks that were easy to time which allowed AJ to recover and get his 2nd wind back.

Wilder won't let Joshua off the hook like that.

idf why everybody talking about "Wlad letting Joshua off the hook" or "what if wilder lands the same punch"

but at the same time it's like everyone forgetting that before Joshua got in trouble he had Wlad in trouble in the 5th, he knocked him down and he basically gassed out because he chased for the KO so hard and couldn't get it.
Why no Wilder fans asks "What if Joshua catches Wilder the same way he caught Wlad?" "Could Wilder survive the same way?" "Would Joshua make this mistake again?"
and no breh, I just rewatched the fight now, Wlad didn't walk Joshua down, if anything it was the other way around except the 2-3 rounds from the 6th to the 8th when Joshua was gassed and Wlad KDd him (in the 6th)
I find it a little mind boggling how little respect Joshua gets for that win sometimes. that win is many times better than anything Wilder did so far in his career and gave Joshua the kind of experience Wilder still lacks.

the technical and experience advantage is with Joshua, only the athletic advantages are with Wilder

 

[Newzz]

idf why everybody talking about "Wlad letting Joshua off the hook" or "what if wilder lands the same punch"

but at the same time it's like everyone forgetting that before Joshua got in trouble he had Wlad in trouble in the 5th, he knocked him down and he basically gassed out because he chased for the KO so hard and couldn't get it.
Why no Wilder fans asks "What if Joshua catches Wilder the same way he caught Wlad?" "Could Wilder survive the same way?" "Would Joshua make this mistake again?"
and no breh, I just rewatched the fight now, Wlad didn't walk Joshua down, if anything it was the other way around except the 2-3 rounds from the 6th to the 8th when Joshua was gassed and Wlad KDd him (in the 6th)
I find it a little mind boggling how little respect Joshua gets for that win sometimes. that win is many times better than anything Wilder did so far in his career and gave Joshua the kind of experience Wilder still lacks.

the technical and experience advantage is with Joshua, only the athletic advantages are with Wilder

Wlad struggled with Bryant Jennings, got clearly outboxed and beat by Tyson Fury, took 2 years off, and then came back at 41 years old with 2 years of ring inactivity under him....how much props are you looking for under those circumstances?


Wlad had already proved 2 years prior that he wasnt as good as Tyson Fury.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

idf why everybody talking about "Wlad letting Joshua off the hook" or "what if wilder lands the same punch"

but at the same time it's like everyone forgetting that before Joshua got in trouble he had Wlad in trouble in the 5th, he knocked him down and he basically gassed out because he chased for the KO so hard and couldn't get it.
Why no Wilder fans asks "What if Joshua catches Wilder the same way he caught Wlad?" "Could Wilder survive the same way?" "Would Joshua make this mistake again?"
and no breh, I just rewatched the fight now, Wlad didn't walk Joshua down, if anything it was the other way around except the 2-3 rounds from the 6th to the 8th when Joshua was gassed and Wlad KDd him (in the 6th)
I find it a little mind boggling how little respect Joshua gets for that win sometimes. that win is many times better than anything Wilder did so far in his career and gave Joshua the kind of experience Wilder still lacks.

the technical and experience advantage is with Joshua, only the athletic advantages are with Wilder

its because Wlad did let AJ off the hook. I said that right after the fight was over. shyt was obvious.

In addition, we now know that AJ gasses out around the mid rds in fights so he was gonna gas out against Wlad whether he tried to finish him off or not.

Joshua vs Wilder is still an even fight, I'm just picking Wilder

 

[HeruDat1]

@Newzz

edit -

@Newzz that tweet was actually from a fake Eddie Hearn account I didn’t catch it “eddiehearm” lol

 

[morris]

What you mean breh?

Apologies

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[reservoirdogs]

Wlad struggled with Bryant Jennings, got clearly outboxed and beat by Tyson Fury, took 2 years off, and then came back at 41 years old with 2 years of ring inactivity under him....how much props are you looking for under those circumstances?


Wlad had already proved 2 years prior that he wasnt as good as Tyson Fury.

Wlad wasn't at his peak anymore I get that but Fury was also a very difficult style matchup for someone like wlad who built up his whole game on shorter fighters try to get at him and he basically just has to keep them at the end of his straight punches. Joshua was a lot more favorable to him style wise and also I think Wlad looked the freshest in years against Joshua, in movement, sharpness, etc...
funny thing Joshua is actually longer than Wlad by 2 cm in reach according to Boxrec but it didn't count cause Klitschko fights "long" while Joshua not really
just like how Kovalev looked a lot longer than Ward when they fought even though he only has a few cm-s (1,5 inch) on him

that Wlad win is still heads and shoulders the best win any HW has today except Fury of course but idk if we can count Fury as an active fighter now or not...