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Arum had his back and tried to make him something, but once he realized that he couldn't make Rigo a star he blackballed him, because Arum is all about fighters who are "stars". I personally don't give Rigo much shyt for that because in order for Arum to love Rigo, Rigo would have had to change his style and Rigo shouldnot be forced to change his style if it increases the risk for L's.

Now I do have questions on all the rumors of Rigo to Hearn, Haymon, and Roc Nation. Those guys weren't fukking with Arum at the time, so Arum's blackball wouldn't have affected him there. Why didn't he catch on and get something?

I mean I am far from in the know, but there was a time when it seemed like everyone wanted Haymon as their advisor and to be on PBC and Haymon was basically signing anyone with pulse too. With all the crappy cards PBC did have, you mean Rigo, a legit top 10 PFP, couldn't find his way on TV over there. :patrice:

I may need a proper education on that one...but I always figured Rigo should have aligned himself there at all costs. He would have been compensated fairly and squarely been in the mix for Frampton, LSC, GRJ, etc...he only would have risked being inactive, which was already the case.

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You ask those questions and you force people to put some blame on Rigo:sas1:


"Arum/HBO blackballed him"....he couldnt sign to any other promoter? Couldnt work with Haymon/PBC? RNS or Caribe couldnt get you on Showtime or a legit fight? But its all TR's fault even though the only time you faced good opposition & appeared on TV was with TR involved?:jbhmm:
 

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I thought Andrade had a Charlotte fight but pulled out that’s why it went to JRock
Pulled out of a fight with Jermell Charlo because he wasn't happy with the purse(reported from anywhere b/w $250k to $500k), which is why I don't get all the caping for him, he and his team have sabotaged his own career.
 

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Pulled out of a fight with Jermell Charlo because he wasn't happy with the purse(reported from anywhere b/w $250k to $500k), which is why I don't get all the caping for him, he and his team have sabotaged his own career.
And Andrade has admitted he has sabotaged his own career in n the past. That is why, despite being an Andrade fanand thinking he is supremely talented, he should have to work his way up the ladder and earn his stripes.

If he gets his shyt together business wise, he could have a very Andre Ward esque career IMO (not necessarily HOF wise, but the way he is viewed by networks and fans). He may never be the most popular fighter but when you have talent like that a network will always want to align themselves with you if you keep grinding. He just needs to force himself to keep grinding and not stall himself.
 

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Pulled out of a fight with Jermell Charlo because he wasn't happy with the purse(reported from anywhere b/w $250k to $500k), which is why I don't get all the caping for him, he and his team have sabotaged his own career.

False.


He pulled out the fight, bc Jay-Z offered him his purse (500k) to not take the fight, was going to sign him to RNS & buy him out the promo contract with Star, and sign him exclusively to HBO....then the deal fell thru.
 

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False.


He pulled out the fight, bc Jay-Z offered him his purse (500k) to not take the fight, was going to sign him to RNS & buy him out the promo contract with Star, and sign him exclusively to HBO....then the deal fell thru.
Self sabotage, no lies told.
 

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Self sabotage, no lies told.

It is lies:



Demetrius Andrade sues Roc Nation Sports, seeks $550K
Aug 6, 2015
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    Dan RafaelESPN Senior Writer

Former junior middleweight titlist Demetrius Andrade has filed a lawsuit against Roc Nation Sports in New York Supreme Court, accusing rap star Jay Z's promotional company of reneging on a promise to pay him $550,000.


Andrade, who also named longtime boxing attorney and former Roc Nation consultant Jeff Fried in the suit filed July 31, claims that Roc Nation Sports, which was interested in buying his promotional contract from co-promoters Joe DeGuardia's Star Boxing and Artie Pelullo's Banner Promotions, promised him the money if he refused to take part in a title defense arranged by DeGuardia and Pelullo. They had negotiated an agreement for Andrade to defend his 154-pound world title against Jermell Charlo on Dec. 13, on a Showtime-televised card at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. His purse would have been $550,000, and the fight would have been the first on a three-fight deal they negotiated with the network.

Demetrius Andrade was stripped of his world title by the WBO last Friday because of inactivity since a June 2014 fight. AP Photo/Eric Gay
"After Andrade performed his obligations under the agreement by rejecting the fight, Roc Nation reneged on its promise to pay Andrade the $550,000," the suit said.

Andrade (21-0, 14 KOs), 27, of Providence, Rhode Island, has been inactive since winning a mandatory defense by seventh-round knockout of England's Brian Rose on June 14, 2014. One of the main reasons for Andrade's inactivity is because he declined to face Charlo. The 2008 U.S. Olympian was stripped of his world title by the WBO last Friday because of inactivity.

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Also last week, Pelullo and DeGuardia sued Roc Nation Sports and Fried for $20 million, plus punitive damages, in New York Supreme Court, alleging that Roc Nation Sports executives interfered with their exclusive promotional contract with Andrade and convinced him to turn down the fight in December and the Showtime contract offer.

Roc Nation Sports spokesman Ron Berkowitz said the company had no comment. Andrade and Fried did not respond to messages from ESPN.com seeking comment.

According to the latest lawsuit, in late 2014, Ed Farris, Andrade's manager -- who, along with Andrade, had met with Roc Nation Sports officials -- told them that DeGuardia and Pelullo had obtained an offer for Andrade to defend his title against Charlo on Dec.13.

"In response, Roc Nation and Fried embarked on a campaign to convince Farris and Andrade that Andrade should not sign the agreement negotiated by Star Boxing and Banner Promotions with Showtime for Andrade to fight Charlo," the suit said. "Specifically, Fried told Farris that Roc Nation and Jay Z did not want Andrade to fight on the Showtime card and that Roc Nation, even though it did not promote Andrade, had already been negotiating with senior HBO executives about Andrade fighting on their network. Fried further stated that once Roc Nation became Andrade's promoter, he would get a much better deal with HBO -- a lesser opponent for more money.


"As a further inducement, Fried created a false fear that Charlo's representative, Al Haymon, was very influential at Showtime and, as a result, Andrade would not be treated fairly. The proposed Showtime fight with Charlo presented Andrade, Star Boxing and Banner Promotions with a tremendous opportunity because Showtime, provided Andrade signed the bout agreement to fight Charlo, was also offering Andrade a future three-fight television deal with a fight-by-fight escalation in the rights or license fees being offered by the network."

The suit said that Farris told Roc Nation that unless it "immediately" purchased Andrade's contract "it was in Andrade's best interests to sign the contract with Showtime for the Charlo fight. If Andrade rejected the fight it would potentially ruin his career, as it would be difficult (if not impossible) for him to appear on Showtime in the future."

In early November, according to the suit, Fried told Farris that Jay Z had "personally authorized Roc Nation to pay Andrade $550,000 -- the same amount he was to receive for fighting Charlo -- if he rejected the fight with Charlo. Fried also reiterated Roc Nation's intention" to buy his contract from DeGuardia and Pelullo, for up to $2 million if necessary.

Andrade eventually rejected the Showtime offer, and he met with Roc Nation Sports officials, including Jay Z, at their New York offices a few days later expecting to collect his check and to finalize their deal. According to the suit, Andrade never received payment, despite repeated demands for the money, and that "contrary to Roc Nation and/or Fried's promises, no substantive or serious efforts were made to purchase Andrade's exclusive promotional rights from Star Boxing and Banner Promotions," despite Roc Nation Sports' promise that it would buy his contract.


Andrade suit claims Roc Nation didn't pay $550K




Wasn't no self sabotage...he was trying to get with RNS like Ward & Cotto, was offered the same amount to NOT fight, he didnt, & then RNS went back on the deal.
 

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Reads like career sabotage to me but we can move on

It is lies:



Demetrius Andrade sues Roc Nation Sports, seeks $550K
Aug 6, 2015
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    Dan RafaelESPN Senior Writer

Former junior middleweight titlist Demetrius Andrade has filed a lawsuit against Roc Nation Sports in New York Supreme Court, accusing rap star Jay Z's promotional company of reneging on a promise to pay him $550,000.


Andrade, who also named longtime boxing attorney and former Roc Nation consultant Jeff Fried in the suit filed July 31, claims that Roc Nation Sports, which was interested in buying his promotional contract from co-promoters Joe DeGuardia's Star Boxing and Artie Pelullo's Banner Promotions, promised him the money if he refused to take part in a title defense arranged by DeGuardia and Pelullo. They had negotiated an agreement for Andrade to defend his 154-pound world title against Jermell Charlo on Dec. 13, on a Showtime-televised card at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. His purse would have been $550,000, and the fight would have been the first on a three-fight deal they negotiated with the network.

Demetrius Andrade was stripped of his world title by the WBO last Friday because of inactivity since a June 2014 fight. AP Photo/Eric Gay
"After Andrade performed his obligations under the agreement by rejecting the fight, Roc Nation reneged on its promise to pay Andrade the $550,000," the suit said.

Andrade (21-0, 14 KOs), 27, of Providence, Rhode Island, has been inactive since winning a mandatory defense by seventh-round knockout of England's Brian Rose on June 14, 2014. One of the main reasons for Andrade's inactivity is because he declined to face Charlo. The 2008 U.S. Olympian was stripped of his world title by the WBO last Friday because of inactivity.

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Also last week, Pelullo and DeGuardia sued Roc Nation Sports and Fried for $20 million, plus punitive damages, in New York Supreme Court, alleging that Roc Nation Sports executives interfered with their exclusive promotional contract with Andrade and convinced him to turn down the fight in December and the Showtime contract offer.

Roc Nation Sports spokesman Ron Berkowitz said the company had no comment. Andrade and Fried did not respond to messages from ESPN.com seeking comment.

According to the latest lawsuit, in late 2014, Ed Farris, Andrade's manager -- who, along with Andrade, had met with Roc Nation Sports officials -- told them that DeGuardia and Pelullo had obtained an offer for Andrade to defend his title against Charlo on Dec.13.

"In response, Roc Nation and Fried embarked on a campaign to convince Farris and Andrade that Andrade should not sign the agreement negotiated by Star Boxing and Banner Promotions with Showtime for Andrade to fight Charlo," the suit said. "Specifically, Fried told Farris that Roc Nation and Jay Z did not want Andrade to fight on the Showtime card and that Roc Nation, even though it did not promote Andrade, had already been negotiating with senior HBO executives about Andrade fighting on their network. Fried further stated that once Roc Nation became Andrade's promoter, he would get a much better deal with HBO -- a lesser opponent for more money.


"As a further inducement, Fried created a false fear that Charlo's representative, Al Haymon, was very influential at Showtime and, as a result, Andrade would not be treated fairly. The proposed Showtime fight with Charlo presented Andrade, Star Boxing and Banner Promotions with a tremendous opportunity because Showtime, provided Andrade signed the bout agreement to fight Charlo, was also offering Andrade a future three-fight television deal with a fight-by-fight escalation in the rights or license fees being offered by the network."

The suit said that Farris told Roc Nation that unless it "immediately" purchased Andrade's contract "it was in Andrade's best interests to sign the contract with Showtime for the Charlo fight. If Andrade rejected the fight it would potentially ruin his career, as it would be difficult (if not impossible) for him to appear on Showtime in the future."

In early November, according to the suit, Fried told Farris that Jay Z had "personally authorized Roc Nation to pay Andrade $550,000 -- the same amount he was to receive for fighting Charlo -- if he rejected the fight with Charlo. Fried also reiterated Roc Nation's intention" to buy his contract from DeGuardia and Pelullo, for up to $2 million if necessary.

Andrade eventually rejected the Showtime offer, and he met with Roc Nation Sports officials, including Jay Z, at their New York offices a few days later expecting to collect his check and to finalize their deal. According to the suit, Andrade never received payment, despite repeated demands for the money, and that "contrary to Roc Nation and/or Fried's promises, no substantive or serious efforts were made to purchase Andrade's exclusive promotional rights from Star Boxing and Banner Promotions," despite Roc Nation Sports' promise that it would buy his contract.


Andrade suit claims Roc Nation didn't pay $550K
 

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  1. Same thing I said the other day:obama:
  2. Fight 1: Pulev. Fight 2: Somebody not Wilder.....and then he on HBO to permanently avoid Wilder:snoop:


Am I the only one seeing this?:mindblown:
nah, don't worry, the fight is going to happen in 2018
Joshua vs. Wilder-Ortiz Winner - Guaranteed in 2018, Says Hearn - Boxing News

guess if no Wilder vs Ortiz then Ortiz gets suspended anyway so Wilder v whoever winner against Joshu vs Pulev winner in early 2018

I get that you're rocking with your home country boy but AJ really not scared of Wilder at all.
I don't think that much of Wilder as some of you here though... I think he's a big character and a good fighter who carries an atomic bomb in his right hand but he's the perfect example of a guy who technically isn't that great but relies only on that one weapon he has and sometimes on his athleticism.
The most impressed I ever was by Wilder was when he beat Stiverne and used his jab well throughout the fight but then again, Stiverne is pretty small and extremely flat footed compared to Wilder.

I think Joshua would blitz him in and finish him inside of 4-5 rounds. Wilder got in trouble in the past when lesser opponents than Joshua pressured him, he doesn't like to be pressured and his chin is also suspect. Add to that that Joshua is technically better, makes less mistakes and faster with his pressure than the likes of Szpilka or Duhaupas.
The longer the fight would go the better chance Wilder would have to win it cause the more time he would have to land that one right hand.... but I think he folds under the pressure before that would happen.
 

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Overseas brehs, is Terry Flanagan/Luke Campbell a big fight over there?
not really in mainland Europe I guess in Britain it would get quite a buzz
Flanagan is an unbeaten champion and Campbell is an Olympic medalist who did pretty good against the same Linares who schooled Crolla.
 

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nah, don't worry, the fight is going to happen in 2018
Joshua vs. Wilder-Ortiz Winner - Guaranteed in 2018, Says Hearn - Boxing News

guess if no Wilder vs Ortiz then Ortiz gets suspended anyway so Wilder v whoever winner against Joshu vs Pulev winner in early 2018

I get that you're rocking with your home country boy but AJ really not scared of Wilder at all.
I don't think that much of Wilder as some of you here though... I think he's a big character and a good fighter who carries an atomic bomb in his right hand but he's the perfect example of a guy who technically isn't that great but relies only on that one weapon he has and sometimes on his athleticism.
The most impressed I ever was by Wilder was when he beat Stiverne and used his jab well throughout the fight but then again, Stiverne is pretty small and extremely flat footed compared to Wilder.

I think Joshua would blitz him in and finish him inside of 4-5 rounds. Wilder got in trouble in the past when lesser opponents than Joshua pressured him, he doesn't like to be pressured and his chin is also suspect. Add to that that Joshua is technically better, makes less mistakes and faster with his pressure than the likes of Szpilka or Duhaupas.
The longer the fight would go the better chance Wilder would have to win it cause the more time he would have to land that one right hand.... but I think he folds under the pressure before that would happen.




You do know that Joshua aint walking around with David Tua's chin, right breh?:usure:

And Whyte doesnt have Wilder's speed, reach, & power.....and Wilder is a better finisher than Wladimir:demonic:

Wilder will continue calling Joshua out until he stops purposely fighting lesser opponents & unify with the other best HW today.:ufdup:


:bombzquad: #BombZquad
 

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You do know that Joshua aint walking around with David Tua's chin, right breh?:usure:

And Whyte doesnt have Wilder's speed, reach, & power.....and Wilder is a better finisher than Wladimir:demonic:

Wilder will continue calling Joshua out until he stops purposely fighting lesser opponents & unify with the other best HW today.:ufdup:


:bombzquad: #BombZquad


I didn't say he has concrete chin but against Klitschko he proved that he has heart and he can wear out a bomb like that.

Joshua ducking Wilder talk is a nonsense which only really started after Joshua beat Klitschko who's probably still a better fighter than Wilder. Now Joshua is fighting Pulev, his mandatory and that's right. I've never heard a fighter being attacked so much for taking a mandatory fight up until Joshua vs Pulev on the Coli. This is mostly an American forum and most of you rock with Wilder instead of Joshua it's okay, also the hw division is historically the glamour division so you might especially want to see a dominant American champion in hw I understand all that.


however imo while USA has many great fighters and champs Wilder just isn't one of them:yeshrug:

Sorry breh but he's just not the real deal he's not the one who will be the next dominant American hw champ the first time since the 90s. That time will surely come sometimes but not this time, not with Wilder's leadership.

Wilder is entertaining, athletic and his straight right is lethal if he can land it but he's got so many holes in his game that he's a KO waiting to happen.
 

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I didn't say he has concrete chin but against Klitschko he proved that he has heart and he can wear out a bomb like that.

Joshua ducking Wilder talk is a nonsense which only really started after Joshua beat Klitschko who's probably still a better fighter than Wilder. Now Joshua is fighting Pulev, his mandatory and that's right. I've never heard a fighter being attacked so much for taking a mandatory fight up until Joshua vs Pulev on the Coli. This is mostly an American forum and most of you rock with Wilder instead of Joshua it's okay, also the hw division is historically the glamour division so you might especially want to see a dominant American champion in hw I understand all that.


however imo while USA has many great fighters and champs Wilder just isn't one of them:yeshrug:

Sorry breh but he's just not the real deal he's not the one who will be the next dominant American hw champ the first time since the 90s. That time will surely come sometimes but not this time, not with Wilder's leadership.

Wilder is entertaining, athletic and his straight right is lethal if he can land it but he's got so many holes in his game that he's a KO waiting to happen.

I disagree.
 
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