Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.
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All that's irrelevant. When you talk about fighters historically...does anyone say "well he was a great fighter but he just wasn't that popular.."
You can be popular and get your ass whipped.The tweet is about the execution/effort of the promotion (he called out ESPN) but he's not gonna shyt on TR/Bob directly either. I think it's indirect here.
reservoirdogs
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All that's irrelevant. When you talk about fighters historically...does anyone say "well he was a great fighter but he just wasn't that popular.."
The tweet is about the execution/effort of the promotion (he called out ESPN) but he's not gonna shyt on TR/Bob directly either. I think it's indirect here.
No...people just dont talk about them no more unless we are purposely reminiscing on great fighters of the past (Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright, Donald Curry, Terry Norris, Meldrick Taylor, etc) bc we dont recall them as easily
CRAWFORD-INDONGO TV RATINGS DISAPPOINT AND SHOULD ALARM
By Paul Magno | August 23, 2017
Early TV ratings for last Saturday’s Terence Crawford-Julius Indongo card on ESPN have to be considered a disappointment for such a high-end bout featuring an elite-level fighter in a crucial legacy fight.
According to Nielsen Media Research, the show, headlined by Crawford’s dynamic unification of all four major recognized junior welterweight belts, averaged 965,000 viewers. When the full ratings report comes out, it’s likely to show slightly higher numbers for the main event, but that still won’t erase the fact that a heavily-hyped ESPN show pulled in late night HBO ratings.
As a matter of fact, Crawford’s ESPN showing places him just slightly ahead of the 961,000 average viewers he drew in his last HBO show this past May against Felix Diaz and slightly behind the 982,000 he got in his 2016 bout with Hank Lundy.
For Top Rank, this will be the second straight ESPN show where a major player from their promotional company draws similar numbers to what they produced on the much smaller HBO main stage. Their August 5 average rating of 728,000 for a Vasyl Lomachenko showcase generated over 100,000 fewer viewers than the Ukrainian’s last main event on HBO (although there were some scheduling issues that may have had a hand in diminishing ESPN numbers to an extent).
Top Rank and ESPN press releases will tout the fact that Crawford-Indongo is the second highest-rated boxing cable show of 2017, but the reality is that the downward trend in overall numbers—especially when featuring legitimate elite-level talent like Lomachenko and Crawford-- has to be considered alarming.
The Manny Pacquiao-Jeff Horn card, which was the first in the Top Rank on ESPN series, was a success with an average of 3.1 million viewers, but anything involving Pacquiao is a horse of a different color. The Filipino icon has been a major superstar for over a decade and carries with him a fiercely loyal following. It’s troubling that almost nobody else—not with Top Rank or any other boxing outfit and regardless of how accessible the cards are to mainstream sports fans—seems able to generate an audience above and beyond the 800,000 to 1.3 million who tune in to every major telecast.
Al Haymon’s Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) project, which HAS delivered a handful of major ratings successes since its inception, actually produced higher ratings for two of their first three shows during their own ESPN deal in July-August of 2015. Shows headlined by Keith Thurman-Luis Collazo, Danny Garcia-Paulie Malignaggi, and Abner Mares-Leo Santa Cruz drew average viewerships of 800K, 1.07 million, and 1.22 million, respectively (Numbers, by the way, which were reported as devastating and damning when applied to PBC).
The numbers clearly don’t bode well for Top Rank, which has now gone through three of their most entertaining and elite-level talent in Pacquiao, Lomachenko, and Crawford without, really, much to show for it. The promotional company must now hunker down and prepare for even lower ratings as they put together future shows with some of their lesser talent.
At this point, the question has to be asked—What can boxing do to attract new fans? Because if guys like Lomachenko and Crawford flatline in crossover attempts, what chance does anyone have?
CRAWFORD-INDONGO TV RATINGS DISAPPOINT AND SHOULD ALARM || FIGHTHYPE.COM
And then with Golden Boy putting on a card such as:
means PBC on ESPN wasn't doing anything bad at all, just had to much hate for it by the fans
By Paul Magno | August 23, 2017
Early TV ratings for last Saturday’s Terence Crawford-Julius Indongo card on ESPN have to be considered a disappointment for such a high-end bout featuring an elite-level fighter in a crucial legacy fight.
According to Nielsen Media Research, the show, headlined by Crawford’s dynamic unification of all four major recognized junior welterweight belts, averaged 965,000 viewers. When the full ratings report comes out, it’s likely to show slightly higher numbers for the main event, but that still won’t erase the fact that a heavily-hyped ESPN show pulled in late night HBO ratings.
As a matter of fact, Crawford’s ESPN showing places him just slightly ahead of the 961,000 average viewers he drew in his last HBO show this past May against Felix Diaz and slightly behind the 982,000 he got in his 2016 bout with Hank Lundy.
For Top Rank, this will be the second straight ESPN show where a major player from their promotional company draws similar numbers to what they produced on the much smaller HBO main stage. Their August 5 average rating of 728,000 for a Vasyl Lomachenko showcase generated over 100,000 fewer viewers than the Ukrainian’s last main event on HBO (although there were some scheduling issues that may have had a hand in diminishing ESPN numbers to an extent).
Top Rank and ESPN press releases will tout the fact that Crawford-Indongo is the second highest-rated boxing cable show of 2017, but the reality is that the downward trend in overall numbers—especially when featuring legitimate elite-level talent like Lomachenko and Crawford-- has to be considered alarming.
The Manny Pacquiao-Jeff Horn card, which was the first in the Top Rank on ESPN series, was a success with an average of 3.1 million viewers, but anything involving Pacquiao is a horse of a different color. The Filipino icon has been a major superstar for over a decade and carries with him a fiercely loyal following. It’s troubling that almost nobody else—not with Top Rank or any other boxing outfit and regardless of how accessible the cards are to mainstream sports fans—seems able to generate an audience above and beyond the 800,000 to 1.3 million who tune in to every major telecast.
Al Haymon’s Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) project, which HAS delivered a handful of major ratings successes since its inception, actually produced higher ratings for two of their first three shows during their own ESPN deal in July-August of 2015. Shows headlined by Keith Thurman-Luis Collazo, Danny Garcia-Paulie Malignaggi, and Abner Mares-Leo Santa Cruz drew average viewerships of 800K, 1.07 million, and 1.22 million, respectively (Numbers, by the way, which were reported as devastating and damning when applied to PBC).
The numbers clearly don’t bode well for Top Rank, which has now gone through three of their most entertaining and elite-level talent in Pacquiao, Lomachenko, and Crawford without, really, much to show for it. The promotional company must now hunker down and prepare for even lower ratings as they put together future shows with some of their lesser talent.
At this point, the question has to be asked—What can boxing do to attract new fans? Because if guys like Lomachenko and Crawford flatline in crossover attempts, what chance does anyone have?
CRAWFORD-INDONGO TV RATINGS DISAPPOINT AND SHOULD ALARM || FIGHTHYPE.COM
And then with Golden Boy putting on a card such as:
means PBC on ESPN wasn't doing anything bad at all, just had to much hate for it by the fans
CRAWFORD-INDONGO TV RATINGS DISAPPOINT AND SHOULD ALARM
By Paul Magno | August 23, 2017
Early TV ratings for last Saturday’s Terence Crawford-Julius Indongo card on ESPN have to be considered a disappointment for such a high-end bout featuring an elite-level fighter in a crucial legacy fight.
According to Nielsen Media Research, the show, headlined by Crawford’s dynamic unification of all four major recognized junior welterweight belts, averaged 965,000 viewers. When the full ratings report comes out, it’s likely to show slightly higher numbers for the main event, but that still won’t erase the fact that a heavily-hyped ESPN show pulled in late night HBO ratings.
As a matter of fact, Crawford’s ESPN showing places him just slightly ahead of the 961,000 average viewers he drew in his last HBO show this past May against Felix Diaz and slightly behind the 982,000 he got in his 2016 bout with Hank Lundy.
For Top Rank, this will be the second straight ESPN show where a major player from their promotional company draws similar numbers to what they produced on the much smaller HBO main stage. Their August 5 average rating of 728,000 for a Vasyl Lomachenko showcase generated over 100,000 fewer viewers than the Ukrainian’s last main event on HBO (although there were some scheduling issues that may have had a hand in diminishing ESPN numbers to an extent).
Top Rank and ESPN press releases will tout the fact that Crawford-Indongo is the second highest-rated boxing cable show of 2017, but the reality is that the downward trend in overall numbers—especially when featuring legitimate elite-level talent like Lomachenko and Crawford-- has to be considered alarming.
The Manny Pacquiao-Jeff Horn card, which was the first in the Top Rank on ESPN series, was a success with an average of 3.1 million viewers, but anything involving Pacquiao is a horse of a different color. The Filipino icon has been a major superstar for over a decade and carries with him a fiercely loyal following. It’s troubling that almost nobody else—not with Top Rank or any other boxing outfit and regardless of how accessible the cards are to mainstream sports fans—seems able to generate an audience above and beyond the 800,000 to 1.3 million who tune in to every major telecast.
Al Haymon’s Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) project, which HAS delivered a handful of major ratings successes since its inception, actually produced higher ratings for two of their first three shows during their own ESPN deal in July-August of 2015. Shows headlined by Keith Thurman-Luis Collazo, Danny Garcia-Paulie Malignaggi, and Abner Mares-Leo Santa Cruz drew average viewerships of 800K, 1.07 million, and 1.22 million, respectively (Numbers, by the way, which were reported as devastating and damning when applied to PBC).
The numbers clearly don’t bode well for Top Rank, which has now gone through three of their most entertaining and elite-level talent in Pacquiao, Lomachenko, and Crawford without, really, much to show for it. The promotional company must now hunker down and prepare for even lower ratings as they put together future shows with some of their lesser talent.
At this point, the question has to be asked—What can boxing do to attract new fans? Because if guys like Lomachenko and Crawford flatline in crossover attempts, what chance does anyone have?
CRAWFORD-INDONGO TV RATINGS DISAPPOINT AND SHOULD ALARM || FIGHTHYPE.COM
And then with Golden Boy putting on a card such as:
means PBC on ESPN wasn't doing anything bad at all, just had to much hate for it by the fans
Sheeiiitttt...they finally put a fukking card in Boston and it's for a fukking Gabriel Rosado fight
Sheeiiitttt...they finally put a fukking card in Boston and it's for a fukking Gabriel Rosado fight
Front row seats will be very affordable though
BlackManLiveFromLondon
New God
Its okay we've got a full sweep coming in on Saturday
Badou Jack The Ripper is gonna smoke Nathan Cleverly (hes trash), collect that 175lb belt which sets him up to get that belt taken by boxings number 1 P4P fighter
THE MACHINE
night owl
When Newzz says it...Im hating. Well, lets let him tell it
I dont think Tank is a bigger name than Crawford. That could change after Saturday though
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I'm sure lol....i paid front row for a Billy dib fight unintentionallyFront row seats will be very affordable though
I won't be going to that one though...i have a wedding to go to on that day
I wont be going either...I have paint to watch drying.
at Gabe Rosado in the main event in 2017
reservoirdogs
Superstar
First I also thought that (not tge Crawford part but that Tank - and Jack - gonna be bigger after tge 26th cause the exposure but @patscorpio had a good point when he replied that ib the past that didn't really happen...
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
CRAWFORD-INDONGO TV RATINGS DISAPPOINT AND SHOULD ALARM
By Paul Magno | August 23, 2017
Early TV ratings for last Saturday’s Terence Crawford-Julius Indongo card on ESPN have to be considered a disappointment for such a high-end bout featuring an elite-level fighter in a crucial legacy fight.
According to Nielsen Media Research, the show, headlined by Crawford’s dynamic unification of all four major recognized junior welterweight belts, averaged 965,000 viewers. When the full ratings report comes out, it’s likely to show slightly higher numbers for the main event, but that still won’t erase the fact that a heavily-hyped ESPN show pulled in late night HBO ratings.
As a matter of fact, Crawford’s ESPN showing places him just slightly ahead of the 961,000 average viewers he drew in his last HBO show this past May against Felix Diaz and slightly behind the 982,000 he got in his 2016 bout with Hank Lundy.
For Top Rank, this will be the second straight ESPN show where a major player from their promotional company draws similar numbers to what they produced on the much smaller HBO main stage. Their August 5 average rating of 728,000 for a Vasyl Lomachenko showcase generated over 100,000 fewer viewers than the Ukrainian’s last main event on HBO (although there were some scheduling issues that may have had a hand in diminishing ESPN numbers to an extent).
Top Rank and ESPN press releases will tout the fact that Crawford-Indongo is the second highest-rated boxing cable show of 2017, but the reality is that the downward trend in overall numbers—especially when featuring legitimate elite-level talent like Lomachenko and Crawford-- has to be considered alarming.
The Manny Pacquiao-Jeff Horn card, which was the first in the Top Rank on ESPN series, was a success with an average of 3.1 million viewers, but anything involving Pacquiao is a horse of a different color. The Filipino icon has been a major superstar for over a decade and carries with him a fiercely loyal following. It’s troubling that almost nobody else—not with Top Rank or any other boxing outfit and regardless of how accessible the cards are to mainstream sports fans—seems able to generate an audience above and beyond the 800,000 to 1.3 million who tune in to every major telecast.
Al Haymon’s Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) project, which HAS delivered a handful of major ratings successes since its inception, actually produced higher ratings for two of their first three shows during their own ESPN deal in July-August of 2015. Shows headlined by Keith Thurman-Luis Collazo, Danny Garcia-Paulie Malignaggi, and Abner Mares-Leo Santa Cruz drew average viewerships of 800K, 1.07 million, and 1.22 million, respectively (Numbers, by the way, which were reported as devastating and damning when applied to PBC).
The numbers clearly don’t bode well for Top Rank, which has now gone through three of their most entertaining and elite-level talent in Pacquiao, Lomachenko, and Crawford without, really, much to show for it. The promotional company must now hunker down and prepare for even lower ratings as they put together future shows with some of their lesser talent.
At this point, the question has to be asked—What can boxing do to attract new fans? Because if guys like Lomachenko and Crawford flatline in crossover attempts, what chance does anyone have?
CRAWFORD-INDONGO TV RATINGS DISAPPOINT AND SHOULD ALARM || FIGHTHYPE.COM
And then with Golden Boy putting on a card such as:
means PBC on ESPN wasn't doing anything bad at all, just had to much hate for it by the fans
It's crazy,lil less than a month ago,me and this white dude (in his mid/ late twenties) were talking sports which led to boxing. He starts talking Mayweather Mcgregor,so I switched the Convo to GGG CANELO. Dude,dead ass looked me in the face and said "who is that?"
I was thinking Damn, UFC really took a lot of young white males away from boxing.
No...people just dont talk about them no more unless we are purposely reminiscing on great fighters of the past (Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright, Donald Curry, Terry Norris, Meldrick Taylor, etc) bc we dont recall them as easily
That popularity shyt is fun for the ring fukkery, or If two fighters feel they are the ASide and it's stopping a fight, but that shyt don't mean nothing for the fans.
Nobody is pulling up how many viewers Sweet Pea, Ali or SRR did card by card, their ticket sales...
We remembering what they did when they fought and how they performed.