Nothing has changed breh, don't believe the hype
Fights from 6 years ago breh?
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King P
Legends Never Die
Nothing has changed breh, don't believe the hype
If you think Canelo is the same fighter he was 6 years ago, then I don't know what to tell you
Tell me what has changed.
If you think Canelo is the same fighter he was 6 years ago, then I don't know what to tell you
How good is Lomachenko? Is he the #1 p4p fighter? Who is in your top 10? What makes him so special as compared to everyone else?
Bread’s Response: He’s special. If Joe Calzaghe and Pernell Whitaker had a baby it would be Lomachenko. Lots of things make him special but the concept in which he fights stands out the most to me.
Every fighter seems to have a preference. Some like leading. Others like countering. So fight better from a stand still. Some fight better going forward. Others fight better off the back foot. Some have a preference on range.
Lomachenko is unique because he’s just as good going forward as he is going backwards. He leads just as well as he counters. He’s ranges are all the same. He’s money at all 3 ranges, long, mid and close.
Most supreme boxers would rather you come to them. But Loma can track guys just as good as he counters them. He puts serious pressure on you because he’s never out of position. He slides up on you throwing touch shots, not over committing. Then when he gets you to become stationary he throws his fastballs. They say he’s not a puncher but he has 7 kos in his 9 wins…..I think he punches hard to the body and I think his fastball has some heat. While he’s doing this his opponents are either forced to over move and burn out or open up. If they open up he counters them and brutalizes them.
Ali had trouble fighting boxers. See Ken Norton and Jimmy Young fights. Whitaker didn’t like it, see Diabolis Hurtado. Roy Jones didn’t like that Tarver waited on him. But this Loma kid will just slide up on his opponents who box, force them to move or punch just as comfortable as he does moving away. He’s a tremendous fighter. I think at this point he has to fight an elite level fighter in his next fight. No more showcase fights. His talent needs to be fed. He’s human if he doesn’t fight elite soon he will become stale. That’s how good he is.
He’s not my #1 P4P fighter but I think he and Rigondeauz are the two most gifted elite level fighters in boxing. My P4P criterion is who would win the most fights if everyone were the same weight, with height and reach proportioned to their current weights. Who has accomplished the most and who faces elite level competition? Factor it all in and here it goes.
1. Andre Ward
2. Terence Crawford
3. Vasyl Lomachenko
4. Guillermo Rigondeaux
5. Gennady Golovkin
6. Canelo Alvarez
7. Monster Inoue
8. Roman Gonzalez
9. Adonis Stevenson
10. Sergey Kovalev
I have a close eye on Gonzalez and Kovalev. If they show slippage in their next fights. Keith Thurman, Mikey Garcia and Juan Estrada all can be in their spots.
King P
Legends Never Die
- Better defense
- Improved counter punching
- Better combination punching
- Body punching (now one of the best in the game at it)
- Improved his timing
- Controls the distance much better
I know you're a huge GGG stan, and you think he wins. I have no problem with that. But don't just sit here and make shyt up about Canelo, saying he's the same fighter and hasn't improved since 2011
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I've been watching all his old fights heavy, looks the same to me, he just looks strong now.- Better defense
- Improved counter punching
- Better combination punching
- Body punching (now one of the best in the game at it)
- Improved his timing
- Controls the distance much better
I know you're a huge GGG stan, and you think he wins. I have no problem with that. But don't just see hit and make shyt up about Canelo, saying he's the same fighter and hasn't improved since 2011
BlackManLiveFromLondon
New God
How good is Lomachenko? Is he the #1 p4p fighter? Who is in your top 10? What makes him so special as compared to everyone else?
Bread’s Response: He’s special. If Joe Calzaghe and Pernell Whitaker had a baby it would be Lomachenko. Lots of things make him special but the concept in which he fights stands out the most to me.
Every fighter seems to have a preference. Some like leading. Others like countering. So fight better from a stand still. Some fight better going forward. Others fight better off the back foot. Some have a preference on range.
Lomachenko is unique because he’s just as good going forward as he is going backwards. He leads just as well as he counters. He’s ranges are all the same. He’s money at all 3 ranges, long, mid and close.
Most supreme boxers would rather you come to them. But Loma can track guys just as good as he counters them. He puts serious pressure on you because he’s never out of position. He slides up on you throwing touch shots, not over committing. Then when he gets you to become stationary he throws his fastballs. They say he’s not a puncher but he has 7 kos in his 9 wins…..I think he punches hard to the body and I think his fastball has some heat. While he’s doing this his opponents are either forced to over move and burn out or open up. If they open up he counters them and brutalizes them.
Ali had trouble fighting boxers. See Ken Norton and Jimmy Young fights. Whitaker didn’t like it, see Diabolis Hurtado. Roy Jones didn’t like that Tarver waited on him. But this Loma kid will just slide up on his opponents who box, force them to move or punch just as comfortable as he does moving away. He’s a tremendous fighter. I think at this point he has to fight an elite level fighter in his next fight. No more showcase fights. His talent needs to be fed. He’s human if he doesn’t fight elite soon he will become stale. That’s how good he is.
He’s not my #1 P4P fighter but I think he and Rigondeauz are the two most gifted elite level fighters in boxing. My P4P criterion is who would win the most fights if everyone were the same weight, with height and reach proportioned to their current weights. Who has accomplished the most and who faces elite level competition? Factor it all in and here it goes.
1. Andre Ward
2. Terence Crawford
3. Vasyl Lomachenko
4. Guillermo Rigondeaux
5. Gennady Golovkin
6. Canelo Alvarez
7. Monster Inoue
8. Roman Gonzalez
9. Adonis Stevenson
10. Sergey Kovalev
I have a close eye on Gonzalez and Kovalev. If they show slippage in their next fights. Keith Thurman, Mikey Garcia and Juan Estrada all can be in their spots.
Keith Thurman been on and off injured yet hes beaten Porter and Garcia (top 5 in WW division) back to back.. he should definitely be on the P4P list
Anthony Joshua should also be on the P4P list simply because he stopped and retired Klitschko
Honestly I don't rate Crawford that highly for him to be #2 p4p.. I get it because he could become undisputed but these guys at 135-140 aren't fighting anybody tell these weight bullies to come up and get their chin tested
reservoirdogs
Superstar
He already moved up a division but he's a weight bullyKeith Thurman been on and off injured yet hes beaten Porter and Garcia (top 5 in WW division) back to back.. he should definitely be on the P4P list
Anthony Joshua should also be on the P4P list simply because he stopped and retired Klitschko
Honestly I don't rate Crawford that highly for him to be #2 p4p.. I get it because he could become undisputed but these guys at 135-140 aren't fighting anybody tell these weight bullies to come up and get their chin tested
Like he would win his fight on physicality and size not on skills...
Thurman, Porter, Spence, Jermell Charlo, Danny Jacobs, Gilberto Ramirez, etc... all these dudes are weight bullies to you?
There's no such thing as a weight bully there are only fighters who can make a certain weight limit and those who can't.
Black_Jesus
Superstar
Keith Thurman been on and off injured yet hes beaten Porter and Garcia (top 5 in WW division) back to back.. he should definitely be on the P4P list
Anthony Joshua should also be on the P4P list simply because he stopped and retired Klitschko
Honestly I don't rate Crawford that highly for him to be #2 p4p.. I get it because he could become undisputed but these guys at 135-140 aren't fighting anybody tell these weight bullies to come up and get their chin tested
Why?? Wlad was a middle aged man who hadn't won a fight since 2015 and was the underdog going into that fight vs an 18 wins fighter
the most explosive fight in the tournament is in the US....awesome..but i agree with you..they might need to put a name on the undercard
BlackManLiveFromLondon
New God
He already moved up a division but he's a weight bully
Like he would win his fight on physicality and size not on skills...
Thurman, Porter, Spence, Jermell Charlo, Danny Jacobs, Gilberto Ramirez, etc... all these dudes are weight bullies to you?
There's no such thing as a weight bully there are only fighters who can make a certain weight limit and those who can't.
We all laugh at Loma having gatekeeper problems but isn't that how Salido beat him (physicality and size) ?
Ill go as far as saying Jacobs is guilty of it vs GGG (they gotta run that fight back
)Let me not get into a debate some bud stans might get a little mad
Best of luck to Indongo, his opponent will probably come in looking like a junior middleweight in a sanctioned bout for the title of undisputed champ at 140lbs :tupac:
reservoirdogs
Superstar
We all laugh at Loma having gatekeeper problems but isn't that how Salido beat him (physicality and size) ?
Ill go as far as saying Jacobs is guilty of it vs GGG (they gotta run that fight back
Let me not get into a debate some bud stans might get a little mad
Best of luck to Indongo, his opponent will probably come in looking like a junior middleweight in a sanctioned bout for the title of undisputed champ at 140lbs :tupac:
Salido used size and strenth against Loma, how often do you see Crawford winning by rough someone up physically?
Indongo is a bigger 140 too wouldn't be surprised if he would be bigger than Bud fight night.
Crawford had two opponents who were clearly bigger than him in the ring (Postol, Molina) and his last opponent competed in welterweight before.
Weight bully tho...
Blame the fighter because he can cut weight
Don't worry breh, he's gonna move up again after Dongo, except if Mikey Garcia...
FrankyFourFingers
Raised in Ruins
so canelo ggg sold out last month and fight 2 weeks later, but may conor hasnt sold out
i know its mostly cause of the prices but i hope this joke of a fight bombs.
would >2.5 mil ppvs be a failiure for this fight? i know thats still alot but they got this passing 4.5 i dont see it. imma catch it at a bar most likely, fukk paying a bill for this
i know its mostly cause of the prices but i hope this joke of a fight bombs.
would >2.5 mil ppvs be a failiure for this fight? i know thats still alot but they got this passing 4.5 i dont see it. imma catch it at a bar most likely, fukk paying a bill for this
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
I saw some ticket prices like front were like 18 000 quidso canelo ggg sold out last month and fight 2 weeks later, but may conor hasnt sold out
i know its mostly cause of the prices but i hope this joke of a fight bombs.
would >2.5 mil ppvs be a failiure for this fight? i know thats still alot but they got this passing 4.5 i dont see it. imma catch it at a bar most likely, fukk paying a bill for this
