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[patscorpio]

what did you expect 2 weeks from the fight?

They give him exposure in the USA against a tune up opponent...

this is worse than facing michael grant...i would really like to know what the list of opponents was looking like where tann and grant are actual choices

 

[King P]

So word is that Eddie Hearn is convincing Ortiz to step aside and let Joshua fight Pulev (he'll have Ortiz fight on the undercard) and then make the Ortiz fight right afterwards in early 2018.

Meaning Wilder gets left out in the cold and we'll have to watch a pointless Stiverne rematch

 

[THE MACHINE]

So word is that Eddie Hearn is convincing Ortiz to step aside and let Joshua fight Pulev (he'll have Ortiz fight on the undercard) and then make the Ortiz fight right afterwards in early 2018.

Meaning Wilder gets left out in the cold and we'll have to watch a pointless Stiverne rematch

Just do AJ v Pulev and Wilder v Ortiz and have the winners face each other like it's a tournament semifinals.

 

[theflyest]

So word is that Eddie Hearn is convincing Ortiz to step aside and let Joshua fight Pulev (he'll have Ortiz fight on the undercard) and then make the Ortiz fight right afterwards in early 2018.

Meaning Wilder gets left out in the cold and we'll have to watch a pointless Stiverne rematch

Very smart on the promoters behalf. These promoters do not caters to the fans. We are going to be waiting a minute for Joshua/Wilder. Probably a couple of years. Let Wilder age while Joshua makes money in the UK.

I still think it's risky. I don't think either guy is good enough to wait and let a fight marinate without someone losing. It's the heavyweight division and all it takes is one shot to change the fight.

 

[seemorecizzy]

i go by what margarito did with his size and volume..that guy really brutalized some ppl in those days..and im not going to go with a "certainty" that floyd would take away his size and volume breh...if that was the case he would and should have took away maidana's size and volume in the first fight

maidana is way more craftier than margarito
also floyd was way older when he fought maidana
margarito is a one trick pony who doesnt adjust
mosley beat him very a basic game plan


and again, MArgarito is nothing with his concrete wraps

he'd never beat a floyd mayweather

 

[seemorecizzy]

Margarito really wasn't that big of star until he beat Cotto...

I don't say you have to agree with everything he wrote but the main message is right... Some people like to picture Mayweather as some smart cherry picker when he fought and beat some of the best fighters of his generation.

also I still don't get why you think Margarito would have been that dangerous at Floyd. He had size and volume, latter would have been taken away by Mayweather, how do you picture him beating Mayweather?

i dont understand this love and bias for margarito
ppl act like he was a household name
no one cared about him on that mainstream level until he beat a household name in.. cotto
same goes for floyd until he faced gatti, and on a higher level de la hoya


he was champ for 5 minutes and den got absolutely destroyed by mosley
den he got destroyed by pacquaio
den he got destroyed by cotto

he has one big win and he cheated to get it
mayb if cheato defended his title a few times and created a buzz, den u could create an argument
the public demanded floyd vs pacquaio
even demanded floyd vs mosley
there wasnt that demand for floyd vs cheato



anything to hate on floyd

 

[seemorecizzy]

nooooooo..it wasnt his volume that made him dangerous..he had a mean streak..he roughed ppl up..you dont damn near tear off somebody's ear being a just traditional volume puncher

u tear off someones ear when you have loaded gloves

 

[seemorecizzy]

From a match up perspective. I think Margarito's style is harder to deal with than Chino's.

Margarito didn't hit as hard and wasn't as explosive, but that nikka just kept coming and he had way more versatility in his punches. He was brutal on the inside and had hooks, uppercuts, and compact crosses. Plus his chin was granite as well as his body. You rarely seen him bothered by punishment. Whereas you could actually hurt Maidana or deter him from running up in you shyt. Plus Margarito kept getting stronger as the fight goes on. Chino slowed down a lil.

Chino was slightly faster, but his punches are usually wide and telegraphed. Margarito was slower, but his defense was a lil tighter and his offense didn't leave as many openings as Chino's did.

If anything Chino was like a poor man's Mayorga.

did you not see the shane mosley fight

cheato is predictable as hell

maidana actually swtiches it up and is a solid counter puncher

cheato just keeps coming straight, cotto woulda been him in the first fight even with loaded gloves if he just decided to hold

when you hold him it messes up his rhythm, i dont understand the love for dis guy

 

[patscorpio]

i dont understand this love and bias for margarito
ppl act like he was a household name
no one cared about him on that mainstream level until he beat a household name in.. cotto
same goes for floyd until he faced gatti, and on a higher level de la hoya


he was champ for 5 minutes and den got absolutely destroyed by mosley
den he got destroyed by pacquaio
den he got destroyed by cotto

he has one big win and he cheated to get it
mayb if cheato defended his title a few times and created a buzz, den u could create an argument
the public demanded floyd vs pacquaio
even demanded floyd vs mosley
there wasnt that demand for floyd vs cheato



anything to hate on floyd

what are you talking about? dude is prolly the longest reigning WW champ of the 00s ..he has plenty of title defenses i dont think youve watched enough margarito fights to say what he is or what he isnt breh

 

[patscorpio]

u tear off someones ear when you have loaded gloves

You don't need loaded gloves to do that lol

 

[seemorecizzy]

what are you talking about? dude is prolly the longest reigning WW champ of the 00s ..he has plenty of title defenses i dont think youve watched enough margarito fights to say what he is or what he isnt breh

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bro im not talking about his shytty mandatory wbo defenses
hie best wins were against clottery and kermin clintron

he wasnt beating anyone that was special
i'm talking about when he won the wba cheating and then got completely destroyed by mosley (someone special)
and den followed it by losing to other special fighters and den retiring

 

[seemorecizzy]

You don't need loaded gloves to do that lol

he did lol

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

did you not see the shane mosley fight

cheato is predictable as hell

maidana actually swtiches it up and is a solid counter puncher

cheato just keeps coming straight, cotto woulda been him in the first fight even with loaded gloves if he just decided to hold

when you hold him it messes up his rhythm, i dont understand the love for dis guy

who didn't see that fight.


It's more like did you see Margarito's career?

What I said still stands.

Its like Toney stopping Holyfield doesn't mean Evander didn't have a granite chin or wasn't a warrior. You can't take one fight and change the whole narrative of their career.

That's basic boxing knowledge1101 If we do what you just implied we'd have to discredit the careers of every boxer just because of one performance.
That's not really fair, but do you.

and I never said Margarito wasn't predictable. That's why I said he wasn't awkward to me. Guys like Mayorga and Chino would rush you throwing bombs from all types of angles whereas Margarito was your standard Mexican boxer but with an elite pressure style with maxed out stats for chin and stamina.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

exactly.shyt reminds me of the threads i used to read before he fought cotto..hes just a brawler..hes limited.,.he had no skills..and dude showed less vulnerability than cotto did who was being applauded as being above the welters at the time like floyd was...their common opponents at the time..margarito won a hard but very clear decision over clottey while cotto damn near lost to the guy..shyt thats why i put a good amount of money on a margarito stoppage when he was the betting underdog

Margarito ain't shyt without them wraps. And Cotto fukked him up in the 2nd fight for a reason. Cheating ass nikka

 

[patscorpio]

Margarito ain't shyt without them wraps. And Cotto fukked him up in the 2nd fight for a reason. Cheating ass nikka

cotto didnt do anything but get a stoppage because of margo's beyond fukked up eye (thanks to pac)..thats all he did to get a win..nothing more nothing less