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My cousin won a signed cotto glove for $5 on Saturday and he let me have it.

Yo hbo be talking reckless about fighters, Ward and Chavez jr. Max let jr have it in the ring post fight. I think hbo gonna big up ggg over Canelo too. Any chance in hell Mayweather comes back to fight the winner of these guys at a catch weight because both their names will be booming. Yes Canelo rematch and ggg would have that notable name finally! Maybe save Conor for fall of next year? I know it's gonna be another promotion dispute between showtime and hbo. Or will Pac get the call?
 

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Chavez jr probably doesn't know how bad it looked until he watches the tape but I understand what he was saying post fight. I think he was honestly telling the truth. He gave Canelo his props and he said he's the better boxer. Chavez didn't have a back up game plan and he isn't consistent enough if he keeps fighting and stays consistent with training maybe down the line do a rematch if and when he builds his name back up... nikkas saying he done for now he disgraced the family name on hbo
 

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Saying Brook is a good test before Canelo cause his speed is like saying Chavez Jr. is a good test before Golovkin cause of his size. Oversimplification and not true.
and just because Golovkin's recent fight was against a tougher opponent than Canelo's we gonna forget about how much better opponents Canelo faced otherwise?

If we would have to rank all their opponents, out of the top 5, 4 would be Canelo opponents (Mayweather, Lara, Trout, Cotto) and only one Golovkin opponent (Jacobs)
Also the Jacobs case...
Did Jacobs prove that he is better than we thought? Yep. But you gotta remember that the guy was a 15-1 underdog and he ended up beating Golovkin in many people's eyes. Now it's not fair from Golovkin fans to claim that the guy is some extra class if they originally thought he will be a food for Golovkin.
Canelo struggled against opponents who he supposed to struggle against. Nobody thought before he fought Lara or Trout that he's gonna wash those guys. In fact they were very difficult style matchups for Canelo more difficult on paper than Jacobs to Golovkin.

Golovkin is all about forward momentum and his preferred range. Take away from him these and you win. Not many fighter can do it and it's easier said than done but Canelo is able to do it imo... He gonna back Golovkin off and imo maybe bully him at points. Golovkin moves forward but when he get inside he rather tries to reset and try again than rough his opponent up so if somebody can stand his ground without absorbing much damage or move laterally consistently he should be able to beat Golovkin.
For the former one needs good defense, good reflexes to slip punches, an arsenal to land punches on Golovkin and at least respectable power to back him off. Sound like Canelo to me.

Man I'm at work so I'll respond to this rest of this later. The reason I brought up Brook, is because it allowed ggg to experience a fight with someone with a significant hand speed advantage, something that Canelo will have when they fight. I'm well aware that Brook and Canelo fight nothing alike. What exactly are you trying to argue here? If I'm going to fight someone with faster handspeed, would I rather fight someone like a Brook, or some slow ass Mw? What kind of debate is this?

Also, I don't care about the outcome of this fight. I'm not some ggg or Canelo Stan.
 
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Man I'm at work so I'll respond to this rest of this later. The reason I brought up Brook, is because it allowed ggg to experience a fight with someone with a significant hand speed advantage, something that Canelo will have when they fight. I'm well aware that Brook and Canelo fight nothing alike. What exactly are you trying to argue here? If I'm going to fight someone with faster handsome, would I rather fight someone like a Brook, or some slow ass Mw? What kind of debate is this?

Also, I don't care about the outcome of this fight. I'm not some ggg or Canelo Stan.

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on the topic: I just explained my opinion on the fight more partially after my reaction not all of my comment was toward you I didn't feel like making another comment right after, that's all.
I didn't say that you're a stan I referred to them in plural it wasn't for you
 

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Saying Brook is a good test before Canelo cause his speed is like saying Chavez Jr. is a good test before Golovkin cause of his size. Oversimplification and not true.
and just because Golovkin's recent fight was against a tougher opponent than Canelo's we gonna forget about how much better opponents Canelo faced otherwise?

If we would have to rank all their opponents, out of the top 5, 4 would be Canelo opponents (Mayweather, Lara, Trout, Cotto) and only one Golovkin opponent (Jacobs)
Also the Jacobs case...
Did Jacobs prove that he is better than we thought? Yep. But you gotta remember that the guy was a 15-1 underdog and he ended up beating Golovkin in many people's eyes. Now it's not fair from Golovkin fans to claim that the guy is some extra class if they originally thought he will be a food for Golovkin.
Canelo struggled against opponents who he supposed to struggle against. Nobody thought before he fought Lara or Trout that he's gonna wash those guys. In fact they were very difficult style matchups for Canelo more difficult on paper than Jacobs to Golovkin.

Golovkin is all about forward momentum and his preferred range. Take away from him these and you win. Not many fighter can do it and it's easier said than done but Canelo is able to do it imo... He gonna back Golovkin off and imo maybe bully him at points. Golovkin moves forward but when he get inside he rather tries to reset and try again than rough his opponent up so if somebody can stand his ground without absorbing much damage or move laterally consistently he should be able to beat Golovkin.
For the former one needs good defense, good reflexes to slip punches, an arsenal to land punches on Golovkin and at least respectable power to back him off. Sound like Canelo to me.

I really don't know who could've prepared Canelo for a GGG. But fighting Jacobs and Brook helped GGG and his team realize that faster quicker punches will beat them if they can't knock them out.

For the bolded you are spot on. I'm a GGG fan but that's the truth. I feel like if Jacobs wasn't fighting so scared the first half he would've ran away with the fight. Yea he would've opened up more opportunities to get KO'D but just like Ward after he got knocked down he got better. Once he tasted the power he did better after. When they was toe to toe he was winning the exchanges. GGG just doesn't counter punch often enough. He just resets when people punch at him for the most part. Towards the end GGG even seeemed like he scared to punch. After watching that fight I say this fight all depends on if Canelo can withstand GGG power or make him hesitant. It's like 50/50 right now.
 

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14K PPV buys and 3K seat venue :huhldup:

If I was Parker I'd take the next plane to England and kiss Eddie Hearn's tall handsome ass into signing me :dame:

It's being reported that the Parker-Cojanu pay-per-view only generated around 14,000 buys. There were 70,000 buys for Parker's December fight with Andy Ruiz - which saw the New Zealand boxer win the vacant WBO title. Also due to the Fury snafu, the promotion took a big hit with sponsorship money after the late venue switch to the 3000-seat Manukau Events Centre. - See more at: Parker Caught in The Middle, Duco Events Co-Owners Set To Split - Boxing News
 
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i wonder why hbo never released valdez/marriage ppv numbers? must be sold 10k or something...damn!
 

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Chavez Jr says he's staying with Nacho Beristain @ChocolateGiddyUp @yawn @GzUp



According to Chavez Jr., he was very weak from making the contract weight and it left him unable to put any offense together. The Mexican boxer had not weighed that low since he competed as a middleweight in 2012.

He plans to continue his career at the super middleweight limit of 168, which is where he fought last December.

"My body didn’t do the things that I wanted to do. 164-pounds in five years from 168, I don’t feel as strong… I’m staying at 168, that’s the best for me and you know I could have changed a few things," Chavez Jr. said.

"I’ll keep working with Nacho. I think the strategy was smart, fight him in the middle of the ring, that’s what we wanted to do. When he went to the ropes, I just didn’t have the strength to go after him and do some damage."


- See more at: Chavez Jr: 168 is The Best Weight For Me, I'm Staying With Nacho - Boxing News
 

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gets funny in the second half

the trash talk from Floyd :russ:

Frank Warren's face when Mayweather asks him "Bet, what you wanna bet? 2 million? 10 million? 50 million?"

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Chavez Jr says he's staying with Nacho Beristain @ChocolateGiddyUp @yawn @GzUp



According to Chavez Jr., he was very weak from making the contract weight and it left him unable to put any offense together. The Mexican boxer had not weighed that low since he competed as a middleweight in 2012.

He plans to continue his career at the super middleweight limit of 168, which is where he fought last December.

"My body didn’t do the things that I wanted to do. 164-pounds in five years from 168, I don’t feel as strong… I’m staying at 168, that’s the best for me and you know I could have changed a few things," Chavez Jr. said.

"I’ll keep working with Nacho. I think the strategy was smart, fight him in the middle of the ring, that’s what we wanted to do. When he went to the ropes, I just didn’t have the strength to go after him and do some damage."


- See more at: Chavez Jr: 168 is The Best Weight For Me, I'm Staying With Nacho - Boxing News


He didn't have the strength cuz he was moving backwards for 5 rds N ate 120 clean punches before Canelo ever got tired N went to the ropes :hhh:


There was nothing smart about that game plan...whats worst is daddy is always all up in the video...shytting on Robert Garcia training etc...but he thought outbox Canelo brilliant!!:ehh: too...i honestly believe they (nacho N Sr) had no faith in jccjr N prepared him to not get knocked out, not to win
 
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