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we all know brain damage unfortunately is part of the fighting game unless you happen to luck out on the genetic lottery....its a sad thing...i read somewhere that margarito now is starting to show some signs of neurological damage too..it happens when you fight wars
 

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Dude nikkas still think its cool to take all those fukking punches? I hope dude is alright.
The Margarito fight did him in, he went blow for blow, with someone who rehydrated to lhw and got hit 229 times, pure warrior, hope this aint true
 

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i just can't see the margarito fight being the fight that sent him over the edge....he had an easy night with a scared mosley despite his cramps and was jobbed to bradley despite beating the shyt outta him...the 3rd fight with jmm wasn't really a war..he was just outboxed which i admit he got a gift with one...and he was close to finishing jmm in the 4th fight before he walked into that cross counter
 

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i just can't see the margarito fight being the fight that sent him over the edge....he had an easy night with a scared mosley despite his cramps and was jobbed to bradley despite beating the shyt outta him...the 3rd fight with jmm wasn't really a war..he was just outboxed which i admit he got a gift with one...and he was close to finishing jmm in the 4th fight before he walked into that cross counter

He got put down and looked far worse than Mora did vs Shot Mosley, he lost to JMM in the 3rd fight clearly IMO, and lost to Bradley gift or not, it was a close fight, then got knock down once then out by JMM. So what he had a good 5th round he wasn't close to stopping JMM, we all see what happens when he thinks he's close to finishing JMM he shake it off and proceeds to give Manny the boxing lesson of his life, although he looked good in spots doesn't mean he has not declined, even Roy still has blinding speed and decent pop, and we feel he could still compete at the highest level but his chin isn't willing, I feel thats what we will see going force, if Manny continues

The decline has been evident post Margarito if you can keep your biases from your assessment. Manny needs to retire though he would have never been dropped from that 3rd round punch, this was a guy that used to take shots lift his arms up, and beg for more, Manny simply isn't in his prime anymore and hasn't been for years and years, no hate or trolling, it is what it is, hopefully he retires so we could remember him as the legend he is and not a shell of himself
 

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i just can't see the margarito fight being the fight that sent him over the edge....he had an easy night with a scared mosley despite his cramps and was jobbed to bradley despite beating the shyt outta him...the 3rd fight with jmm wasn't really a war..he was just outboxed which i admit he got a gift with one...and he was close to finishing jmm in the 4th fight before he walked into that cross counter

I agree, all it takes is one fight/knock-out to mess you up for life...
 

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i just can't see the margarito fight being the fight that sent him over the edge....he had an easy night with a scared mosley despite his cramps and was jobbed to bradley despite beating the shyt outta him...the 3rd fight with jmm wasn't really a war..he was just outboxed which i admit he got a gift with one...and he was close to finishing jmm in the 4th fight before he walked into that cross counter

thing is everybody count the fights but never the sparring. I own a Winning head gear like manny(not with the bar. the 1 floyd has) and as gret is that headgear is you still could feel the punches.
 

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thing is everybody count the fights but never the sparring. I own a Winning head gear like manny(not with the bar. the 1 floyd has) and as gret is that headgear is you still could feel the punches.

you got a point there with the sparring breh..shyt hard sparring was the reason why terry norris suddenly fell apart the way he did at the tail end of his career...today norris talks with a mean slur...its sad as shyt
 

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That sucks for Manny if true he should just hang 'em up. fukk a legacy his health is way more important.
 

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you got a point there with the sparring breh..shyt hard sparring was the reason why terry norris suddenly fell apart the way he did at the tail end of his career

Its also the reason Toney deteriorated so fast he refused to train just spar






Manny is not known for having sparring wars though, besides Guerrero and Khan(later barred from sparring Manny) possibly stopping him, aside from that they usually bring in cans so he could feast on:manny:




The article is conjecture anyway........................... Hope its wrong, hope Manny beat on like 2 cans get a Mayweather match and retire
 

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real sad article on terrible terry - Norris driven to win latest fight - Sports - ReviewJournal.com

Norris driven to win latest fight
By Todd Dewey
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
Posted: Dec. 26, 2012 | 1:59 a.m.
Terry Norris counts his victories over Sugar Ray Leonard and John "The Beast" Mugabi as the most memorable moments of his Hall of Fame boxing career.

But the former four-time light middleweight world champion can't remember those fights or any others - nor, for that matter, the date of his 2009 wedding to his wife, Tanya.

Due to repeated blows to his head, Norris, 45, suffers from Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy - previously known as pugilistic dementia, or punch-drunk syndrome. It's a degenerative brain disease with symptoms that include memory loss, confusion, depression and emotional outbursts.

Norris also is afflicted with Parkinsonism, a group of nervous disorders similar to Parkinson's disease and marked by muscular rigidity, tremors, speech and swallowing problems, balance and walking problems, and more.

During a recent interview at Bellagio, Norris appeared physically fit but struggled at times to express his thoughts. He also broke down crying more than once.

"I need something to correct my memory. I'm losing … ," Norris said, before he suddenly stopped talking, buried his head in his hands and began crying and grunting in frustration.

Said Tanya: "The problem with Parkinsonisms is you can't articulate. Sometimes he wants to say something and he just can't."

Regaining his composure after wiping away tears, Norris said, "I'm crying because … it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing."

DENIAL OF THE DAMAGE

Norris is the most high-profile athlete involved with the Professional Fighters Brain Health Study and Retired Pro Athletes Clinic at the Cleveland Clinic Lou Ruvo Center for Brain Health in Las Vegas.

He started showing signs of CTE late in a career that included 295 amateur bouts (291-4), 56 professional fights (47-9, 31 knockouts) and thousands of rounds sparring.

Before his request for a boxing license was denied in 2000 by the Nevada Athletic Commission because of impaired speech indicative of brain damage, Norris was in denial about his condition.

"My dad and people in my camp were (asking) me, 'Why (are you) stumbling?' Even when I danced," Norris said. "I used to be real smooth in the ring. My dad was always saying, 'What's wrong with you? You're not fighting like you used to fight.'

"I wanted to convince myself I felt like the old Terry, but I didn't."

Dr. Margaret Goodman, a Las Vegas neurologist and former chief ringside physician for the NAC, vividly recalls the night in 1999 when she ran into Norris at the MGM Grand Garden, shortly before his brother, Orlin, fought Mike Tyson.

Goodman realized, to her horror, that something was seriously wrong with him.

"I said hello to him, and he couldn't enunciate the words," she said. "I remember pretty much running out to the ring where Dr. (Flip) Homansky is and I said, 'Terry can't talk.' "

The following year, Goodman and Homansky were part of the NAC when it denied Norris' request for a license.

At the meeting, a tape of a 1994 TV interview of Norris was played, and Goodman said he "sounded clear as a bell." It was a stark contrast to the slurred speech Norris used while answering questions from the NAC, which denied his request by a 5-0 vote.

"I'm not exaggerating. Every one of the commissioners had a tear in his eye, because it was right there staring you in the face what had transpired to this amazing young man," Goodman said. "You didn't need a million-dollar study to tell you this young man didn't belong in a boxing ring anymore.

"Everybody respected Terry so much. To see that happen to such a wonderful boxer and wonderful person was tragic."

GETTING HELP

Norris, a father of six who got divorced after he retired, continued to deteriorate in the years that followed. He self-medicated with alcohol, ballooned to 215 pounds and all but lost his ability to speak.

"My (14-year-old) daughter helped me talk," he said. "She would speak for me because (people) couldn't understand me."

It wasn't until 2009 that Norris - thanks to Tanya, a personal trainer and former medical school student - finally was diagnosed and treated, first at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, where the couple resides, and more recently at the Lou Ruvo Center.

"I've been to a number of doctors. I'm tired of going to doctors," said Norris, who works out daily, has slimmed down to 170 pounds and attends appointments for speech therapy, physical therapy, balance therapy and psychological therapy.

"It's working, though," he said. "I feel a lot better. My speech is a lot better."

Norris, along with Tanya, is an advocate for fighters' safety and helps boxers through his foundation "The Final Fight."

"His quality of life has completely changed," Tanya said.

RESEARCH LEADER

The Lou Ruvo Center for Brain Health is at the forefront of CTE research. In addition to the fighter's study and retired athletes clinic, the center recently hosted a national CTE conference that it hopes will become an annual event.

"The perception is, 'How can any useful science come out of Las Vegas?' In some sense, here's an example of where we are among the leaders in the field," said Dr. Charles Bernick, associate medical director of the Lou Ruvo Center. "We're the ones who put on the (CTE) conference. This is the newest neurodegenerative disease, and we're on top of it."

The fighters study, which started in 2011 and features more than 270 boxers and mixed martial artists, runs participants through a battery of annual tests and measures changes.

The retired athletes clinic opened this year and has treated about 15 participants, even offering free comprehensive testing and treatment to those who can't afford it.

"We should have some resource that actually helps these people instead of just poking and probing them," Bernick said.

CTE has been known to affect boxers since the 1920s, but the disease has received more attention recently because of confirmed cases of CTE in retired pro football players and other athletes who've had a history of repetitive brain trauma.

"The bottom line is it may not even take that much trauma to the head to develop the condition," said Goodman, who attended the CTE conference. "No one really knows. This is the problem. There's really no test to determine when a fighter is starting to show evidence of (CTE). By the time they have the problem, it's too late.

"How do we test this before it gets to the point of no return? Hopefully with the Lou Ruvo Center doing the research they're doing, they can come up with a way to make a determination before this all happens."

BREAKING POINT

While Bernick said it'll probably be years before neurologists can determine when an athlete has reached the point in his career when additional blows are likely to cause permanent, irreversible brain damage, he hopes to discover that information through the pro fighters study.

"As far as we know, we are the only study that's actually following people early in the disease process, or when they're exposed," he said. "We're really interested in the start of the disease."

The NAC, which requires boxers to have only one MRI at the start of their career, and the Ultimate Fighting Championship are supportive of the study. Bernick added the Lou Ruvo Center has applied for some of the $30 million NFL owners donated to the National Institutes of Health for brain injury research.

"Anything that's involving potential funding for understanding CTE and head trauma, we'd be interested," Bernick said. "We are probably better positioned than most places."

In addition to the aforementioned research, the Lou Ruvo Center has developed an iPad-based test that can assess brain function and can be used at ringside. It also has a device under development that can be integrated into a mouthguard to measure the force of impact to the head.

Terry and Tanya Norris hope to come out with a book and a workout DVD, and also want to star in a reality show that might be called "Lady and The Champ." Terry plans to continue to take part in the study and clinic at the Lou Ruvo Center.

"I think they're doing a great job there," Terry Norris said. "Dr. Bernick, he's cool, and all his staff, they treated me well.

"I think he will be the one to get the job done. I hope he finds the cure."

Contact reporter Todd Dewey at tdewey@reviewjournal.com or 702-383-0354.
 

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thing is everybody count the fights but never the sparring. I own a Winning head gear like manny(not with the bar. the 1 floyd has) and as gret is that headgear is you still could feel the punches.

I read that one of Mosely's Sparring partners went brain dead later on in life because him and Shane used to throw bombs at each other.
 

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I think that Margarito fight is what really started Manny's decline. Although he wasn't hit with any bombs he was hurt to the body and had to fight at an intense pace just to keep a much naturally bigger dude off of him. That shyt takes a lot out of you. Fighting and sparring dudes like Margarito/Angulo etc..might look easy cuz they defense is below average but them nikkas really make you put in work on them. After that fight Manny ain't look like the Manny who terrorized Diaz all the way to Clottey. It's like he went to cruise control. I don't fault him too hard for the Mosley fight, because once Shane got dropped nikka went bytch and ran the rest of the fight, shyt reminded me of Taylor/Joppy.

Now that I think about it. Manny and Taylor got mismanaged hard when it came to a certain point of their careers. Taylor fighting 3 southpaws in a row:what: After Manny beat Clottey, Arum should have been grooming younger more fan friendly type of opponents for him instead of having him fight the senior circuit making him look worse than what he really was.
 
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