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[mr. smoke weed]

And Berto (right now) vs Jessie Vargas (right now) is basically a 50/50 fight...I cant let yall overrate Vargas. Sorry brehs, Vargas living off of the last 20 seconds of the Bradley fight and a win over Sadam Ali doesn't make him a top tier Welterweight....Ima need to see him beat someone legit for a change.

Exactly. It's known I don't fukk with Vargas, although I had complimentary things to say about his improvement in the Manny thread. People forgot about the first 11.5 rounds against BATB where dude was getting his ass kicked. By the 7th round he was gassed and his jab was in the holster, he just had a strong 11th and 12th.

Manny beat Vargas and Floyd beat Berto, they're both the same quality of fight(er)s, fringe top 8 WW's.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

It's a reason Manny struggled with him in all 4 fights...they aren't that far apart in talent. JMM is a HOFer and one of the GOAT Mexican fighters period

Anyone who doesn't think this about JMM is crazy............

And Timbo dominated him

 

[Axum Ezana]

If Floyd came out of retirement to fight Jesse fukkin Vargas talent or lower for any reason I would call it Bullshyt
There's no point
It does nothing to increase or decrease his legacy so what's the point

he need money breh...that's what I take it as. that's why they want Floyd rematch so bad.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Robert Guerrero (that Floyd fought) and Jessie Vargas (that Manny fought) are on the same talent level though



Needing controversial decisions to beat Allakhverdiev, Novikov, and Lopez?




And Berto (right now) vs Jessie Vargas (right now) is basically a 50/50 fight...I cant let yall overrate Vargas. Sorry brehs, Vargas living off of the last 20 seconds of the Bradley fight and a win over Sadam Ali doesn't make him a top tier Welterweight....Ima need to see him beat someone legit for a change.

don't get ahead of yourself breh.

Ghost and Vargas are about equal (B- minus fighters) Both had more momentum going into their fights with May and Pac than Berto did going into his Floyd fight. Pretty much everyone shytted on that fight and I was one of the few that didn't mind it. Ditto for Berto/Swift. That's where I this came from.

It's just that you can't shyt on Vargas, but then parade Ghost as some good fukking opponent for Floyd. I'd say Oscar Larios is a better win for Pac than Vargas and he actually rocked and buzzed a prime Manny.

Only reason I posted #ConsistencyCops is you can't shyt on one B minus nikka and then big one up for somebody you stan. Pat knew what was up.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

he need money breh...that's what I take it as. that's why they want Floyd rematch so bad.

Yea manny didn't come out of retirement to add the illustrious Jessie Vargas to his resume.............it's cause dude goes through money like I go through water (2 gallons a day brehs)

 

[Axum Ezana]

I feel you, but I have no problem with him being p4p 1. He's been active and doing his thing. I think most people are used to having bigger fighters (size and name wise) at that spot. He shouldn't be lower than top 3 really, maybe top 5.

At one point, nikkas had Froch top 10 (I disagreed with that) so Roman at 1 shouldn't be the end of the world. P4P lists be bullshyt most of the time anyways

nah I got used to lower fighters with manny/Floyd. I just think hes got gift scoring in his last two fights.

 

[Newzz]

don't get ahead of yourself breh.

Ghost and Vargas are about equal (B- minus fighters) Both had more momentum going into their fights with May and Pac than Berto did going into his Floyd fight. Pretty much everyone shytted on that fight and I was one of the few that didn't mind it. Ditto for Berto/Swift. That's where I this came from.

It's just that you can't shyt on Vargas, but then parade Ghost as some good fukking opponent for Floyd. I'd say Oscar Larios is a better win for Pac than Vargas and he actually rocked and buzzed a prime Manny.

Only reason I posted #ConsistencyCops is you can't shyt on one B minus nikka and then big one up for somebody you stan. Pat knew what was up.

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Im happy I bashed both matchups and both Floyd and Manny for those fights...the consistency cops would've arrested me

 

[Black_Jesus]

he need money breh...that's what I take it as. that's why they want Floyd rematch so bad.

That aint saying much.. whi the fukk wouldn't want another $50-100 million...

It also could be that he wants to avenge his loss.. and fight Floyd with 2 good shoulders this time around

 

[patscorpio]

I'd say Oscar Larios is a better win for Pac than Vargas and he actually rocked and buzzed a prime Manny.

Oscar Larios...thats a name you dont hear too often

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Oscar Larios...thats a name you dont hear too often

Exactly, you know I always gotta bring out a random forgotten name to drive home my points.

More talented fighter than Ghost and Vargas too.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

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Im happy I bashed both matchups and both Floyd and Manny for those fights...the consistency cops would've arrested me

True indeed.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Japanese brehs be looking classy as hell at the face offs n shyt

we need that gonzo fight too...monster would light his overrated ass up.

You look good you feel good.

 

[patscorpio]

To be fair with Hopkins, I don't think he had to fight Kovalev. That is just gravy on a great career. Him taking the fight itself is impressive at that stage in his career. A win certainly would look good, but a loss didn't diminish him one bit in my mind.

he didnt have to for sure..he wanted to unify the belts though...and i was saying around the time..if bhop managed to unify another division at an advanced age that would have been enough for me to put him as the best of the era...ahead of floyd, manny, wlad, etc etc

 

[Axum Ezana]

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[Newzz]

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at the co-main receiving more promotion than the main event itself