yup i remember that, his stomach was damn near touching his spine, come fight night he looked like strong as fukk.
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Alexander Povetkin tests positive for meldonium, title fight vs. Deontay Wilder in jeopardy
By: Mike Coppinger | May 13, 2016 2:56 pm
The highly anticipated heavyweight title fight between Deontay Wilder and Alexander Povetkin is in jeopardy.
Povetkin, the WBC’s No. 1 heavyweight contender, tested positive for meldonium under advanced tested by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association, part of the new WBC Clean Boxing Program, it was announced Friday. ESPN’s Dan Rafael first reported the news.
The A sample was collected on April 27. It showed the substance, which increases blood flow, in the Russian’s system. The heavyweight title fight, scheduled for May 21 in Moscow, is on for now.
“We’re investigating everything and putting all the information on the table to make a determination with all the facts,” WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman told USA TODAY Sports. “I believe we will be making a public statement at end of day (Friday) or tomorrow morning.”
“We need to look into safety but also justice. We need to find out all the facts. The B sample will be open. It’s very important we go through the whole process.”
When athletes are tested, the samples are separated into “A” and “B” and if the A sample shows evidence of the drug in the system, the parties are notified. Only if the B sample also shows the substance in the system is the athlete considered doping.
Andrey Ryabinskiy, Povetkin’s promoter, said on Twitter: “Alexander Povetkin used to take meldonium in September last year, when the drug was permitted. Povetkin has not been taking this drug since January, but theoretically meldonium could remain in the blood.”
Meldonium was added to the World Anti-Doping Agency’s banned substance list in January, and since then, over 170 athletes have tested positive, with 40-plus coming from Russia. The drug aids in carrying more oxygen to muscle tissue and would help keep an endurance athlete fresh.
It’s unclear how long the substance stays in the body, and WADA acknowledged in a memo last month that “there is currently a lack of clear scientific information on excretion times.”
Victor Conte, the BALCO founder who supplied PEDs to athletes such as Barry Bonds and Marion Jones, told USA TODAY Sports that there are many variables that determine how long a substance such as meldonium stays in the system.
Injectables last twice as long as oral capsules, and it also depends on length of use, dosage and body-fat percentage. Conte used nandrolone as an example. The anabolic steroid, called the “kiss of death” for athletes who use it, sometimes stays in the system as long as 18 months.
Meldonium enhances an athlete’s performance by creating larger red blood cells while also removing byproducts such as pneumonia, carbon dioxide and lactic acid.
“I have no doubt it’s a powerful performance-enhancing drug,” Conte said. “It’s a stamina benefit. You don’t get tired, you just keep rocking. You’d be like the Energizer Bunny during sparring.”
Wilder, who has made three successful defenses of his title, is currently in Sheffield, England, training for the fight. The 30-year-old from Tuscaloosa, Alabama, is one of the biggest punchers in the sport, and is ranked No. 3 by BoxingJunkie at heavyweight.
He actually accused Povetkin of doping one year ago in an interview with USA TODAY’s Bob Velin.
“I think he’s juicing. He’s looking too big,” Wilder said last May. “I have people that have trained him and know him, and being from a different country, they have different techniques that they use.
“He’s on some kind of steroids. But you know, that’s just my opinion. It’s not going to affect me when it’s time to fight and I’m looking forward (to fighting Povetkin). That’s how I feel.”
Povetkin (30-1, 22 KOs) earned the title shot with a first-round knockout of Mike Perez last year. The Olympic gold medalist once held the WBA title, but the 36-year-old lost it to Wladimir Klitschko in a 2013 decision loss, when he was knocked down four times.
“I’m disappointed and upset and somewhat angry, but certainly not shocked,” Lou DiBella, who promotes Wilder (36-0, 35 KOs), told USA TODAY Sports.
The WBC will make a determination soon on the status of the fight. Showtime is in talks to televise the fight in America, but a deal still hasn’t been consummated.
By: Mike Coppinger | May 13, 2016 2:56 pm
The highly anticipated heavyweight title fight between Deontay Wilder and Alexander Povetkin is in jeopardy.
Povetkin, the WBC’s No. 1 heavyweight contender, tested positive for meldonium under advanced tested by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association, part of the new WBC Clean Boxing Program, it was announced Friday. ESPN’s Dan Rafael first reported the news.
The A sample was collected on April 27. It showed the substance, which increases blood flow, in the Russian’s system. The heavyweight title fight, scheduled for May 21 in Moscow, is on for now.
“We’re investigating everything and putting all the information on the table to make a determination with all the facts,” WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman told USA TODAY Sports. “I believe we will be making a public statement at end of day (Friday) or tomorrow morning.”
“We need to look into safety but also justice. We need to find out all the facts. The B sample will be open. It’s very important we go through the whole process.”
When athletes are tested, the samples are separated into “A” and “B” and if the A sample shows evidence of the drug in the system, the parties are notified. Only if the B sample also shows the substance in the system is the athlete considered doping.
Andrey Ryabinskiy, Povetkin’s promoter, said on Twitter: “Alexander Povetkin used to take meldonium in September last year, when the drug was permitted. Povetkin has not been taking this drug since January, but theoretically meldonium could remain in the blood.”
Meldonium was added to the World Anti-Doping Agency’s banned substance list in January, and since then, over 170 athletes have tested positive, with 40-plus coming from Russia. The drug aids in carrying more oxygen to muscle tissue and would help keep an endurance athlete fresh.
It’s unclear how long the substance stays in the body, and WADA acknowledged in a memo last month that “there is currently a lack of clear scientific information on excretion times.”
Victor Conte, the BALCO founder who supplied PEDs to athletes such as Barry Bonds and Marion Jones, told USA TODAY Sports that there are many variables that determine how long a substance such as meldonium stays in the system.
Injectables last twice as long as oral capsules, and it also depends on length of use, dosage and body-fat percentage. Conte used nandrolone as an example. The anabolic steroid, called the “kiss of death” for athletes who use it, sometimes stays in the system as long as 18 months.
Meldonium enhances an athlete’s performance by creating larger red blood cells while also removing byproducts such as pneumonia, carbon dioxide and lactic acid.
“I have no doubt it’s a powerful performance-enhancing drug,” Conte said. “It’s a stamina benefit. You don’t get tired, you just keep rocking. You’d be like the Energizer Bunny during sparring.”
Wilder, who has made three successful defenses of his title, is currently in Sheffield, England, training for the fight. The 30-year-old from Tuscaloosa, Alabama, is one of the biggest punchers in the sport, and is ranked No. 3 by BoxingJunkie at heavyweight.
He actually accused Povetkin of doping one year ago in an interview with USA TODAY’s Bob Velin.
“I think he’s juicing. He’s looking too big,” Wilder said last May. “I have people that have trained him and know him, and being from a different country, they have different techniques that they use.
“He’s on some kind of steroids. But you know, that’s just my opinion. It’s not going to affect me when it’s time to fight and I’m looking forward (to fighting Povetkin). That’s how I feel.”
Povetkin (30-1, 22 KOs) earned the title shot with a first-round knockout of Mike Perez last year. The Olympic gold medalist once held the WBA title, but the 36-year-old lost it to Wladimir Klitschko in a 2013 decision loss, when he was knocked down four times.
“I’m disappointed and upset and somewhat angry, but certainly not shocked,” Lou DiBella, who promotes Wilder (36-0, 35 KOs), told USA TODAY Sports.
The WBC will make a determination soon on the status of the fight. Showtime is in talks to televise the fight in America, but a deal still hasn’t been consummated.
Link that doc about JCCJR stealing the WBC from Sergio
Yeah, except for the fact that not one single person gives a fukk about Andrade and not even 10% of boxing fans would recognize this generic ass boxer.Matthew Macklin struggled with Brian Rose.....Demetrius Andrade dominated Brian Rose
Beautiful counter right hook
Wonder how it must feel like to be a good boxer yet with no one coming to see your fights or giving even a miniscule fukk about you except one guy randomly posting a gif on a forum
a real warrior like Macklin
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Dan Rafael chat wrap 5/13:
- Arum says he needs 75k buys for Crawford vs. Postol to break even. Arum was told by HBO, put it on PPV or don't do the fight. Arum is taking the risk to put it on PPV.
- Would Thurman vs. Porter do better PPV numbers than Crawford vs. Postol. Both wouldn't do much.
- Could Thurman vs. Porter get 3 million viewers on TV? It would be nice, but is doubting it.
- Wilder vs. Povetkin still doesn't have a Showtime TV rights contract done. Showtime is ready and willing, it is the Russian promoters holding it up.
- Bat phone: Povetkin tested positive for meldonium in the lead up to the Wilder fight.
- Gut feeling is that the fight will be cancelled.
- Has a fighter ever sued for a fight being cancelled? Believes that Castillo was sued after he missed weight and the 3rd fight vs. Corrales was called off.
- Canelo's performance vs. Khan? An "A".
- Doing a lot of PPV buys is hard. Very few (Mayweather, Pacquiao, ODH, and Tyson) were ever able to do huge numbers. People thinking Canelo's card should have done more than 600k are crazy.
- Khan was a class act during and after the fight, deserves credit for moving up and taking a hard fight. The fight was entertaining to cover as well.
- After 3 rounds, did start to wonder if Khan actually had a real chance to win.
- Last fighter he thought deserved back to back KO of the year award was Lennox Lewis (2000 - Rahman, 2001 - Botha).
- The Lemieux vs. Tapia fight was not stopped too early, Lemieux was doing major damage.
- Herrera looked awful. Maybe it was moving up in weight, or maybe it was just being 35.
- What would he like for Khan's future? Take a break, go back to 147 and fight as Garcia's mandatory. Or fight Brook.
- T-Mobile arena was fantastic, but the wifi connectivity was horrendous.
- Fonfara vs. Smith is a crap matchup for primetime NBC. It will do the worst ratings of any primetime NBC card. This is what is so confusing about PBC's business model. These types of events do nothing but hurt PBC.
- Not surprised that Browne's "B" sample came back dirty. When you fail an A sample, your B is virtually always dirty as well.
- GGG vs. Canelo threat level? Yellow.
- Percent chance of GGG vs. Canelo happening this fall? Before Canelo-Khan: 5%. After: since the WBC is in fact putting pressure to strip the title and fan pressure, he puts it just over 50%.
- The media has done a tremendous job putting pressure on to help GGG-Canelo come to fruition. Will it work? Don't know, but the media is trying to help.
- Not sure what GGG's plan B is if he can't get Canelo fight. Maybe try and lure BJS to fight, maybe wait until fall and try to make the Jacobs mandatory.
- Canelo's PPV's vs. Lara and Angulo were financial successes because of the costs involved.
- A fan asked if Canelo vs. GGG could do 2 million PPV buys? Not even close.
- Interested in Cotto vs. Lemieux? As a regular HBO fight, yes; as a PPV, no.
- Wishes PPV would go away.
- Did Garcia duck Postol? Not really. Garcia was having trouble making 140 and he took a higher profile/money fight vs. Peterson.
- Jacobs will likely fight on the LSC-Frampton card, regardless if he gets made the mandatory for GGG or not.
- If Crawford beats Postol there is a good chance he moves up to 147. It would depend on how much money he could get for another 140 lb fight.
- Good chance we see Gonzalez vs. Inoue in the next 2 years.
- Always liked Macklin as a fighter and a person. Thought he beat Sturm easily.
- Believes that as part of his Showtime deal Joshua will eventually fight in the US.
- Even with Pacquiao winning the Senate seat, still doubts Pacquiao stays retired.
- Hopes Crolla vs. Flanagan happens. Would lean towards Flanagan, but a near 50-50 fight.
- Roc Nation is working on a July fight for Ward, but there is so little money from HBO that it looks like RN needs to land a sponsor to help pay for it for a fight to happen.
- FYI, a reader wrote in and was the one who coined the term "Dopevetkin".
- Arum says he needs 75k buys for Crawford vs. Postol to break even. Arum was told by HBO, put it on PPV or don't do the fight. Arum is taking the risk to put it on PPV.
- Would Thurman vs. Porter do better PPV numbers than Crawford vs. Postol. Both wouldn't do much.
- Could Thurman vs. Porter get 3 million viewers on TV? It would be nice, but is doubting it.
- Wilder vs. Povetkin still doesn't have a Showtime TV rights contract done. Showtime is ready and willing, it is the Russian promoters holding it up.
- Bat phone: Povetkin tested positive for meldonium in the lead up to the Wilder fight.
- Gut feeling is that the fight will be cancelled.
- Has a fighter ever sued for a fight being cancelled? Believes that Castillo was sued after he missed weight and the 3rd fight vs. Corrales was called off.
- Canelo's performance vs. Khan? An "A".
- Doing a lot of PPV buys is hard. Very few (Mayweather, Pacquiao, ODH, and Tyson) were ever able to do huge numbers. People thinking Canelo's card should have done more than 600k are crazy.
- Khan was a class act during and after the fight, deserves credit for moving up and taking a hard fight. The fight was entertaining to cover as well.
- After 3 rounds, did start to wonder if Khan actually had a real chance to win.
- Last fighter he thought deserved back to back KO of the year award was Lennox Lewis (2000 - Rahman, 2001 - Botha).
- The Lemieux vs. Tapia fight was not stopped too early, Lemieux was doing major damage.
- Herrera looked awful. Maybe it was moving up in weight, or maybe it was just being 35.
- What would he like for Khan's future? Take a break, go back to 147 and fight as Garcia's mandatory. Or fight Brook.
- T-Mobile arena was fantastic, but the wifi connectivity was horrendous.
- Fonfara vs. Smith is a crap matchup for primetime NBC. It will do the worst ratings of any primetime NBC card. This is what is so confusing about PBC's business model. These types of events do nothing but hurt PBC.
- Not surprised that Browne's "B" sample came back dirty. When you fail an A sample, your B is virtually always dirty as well.
- GGG vs. Canelo threat level? Yellow.
- Percent chance of GGG vs. Canelo happening this fall? Before Canelo-Khan: 5%. After: since the WBC is in fact putting pressure to strip the title and fan pressure, he puts it just over 50%.
- The media has done a tremendous job putting pressure on to help GGG-Canelo come to fruition. Will it work? Don't know, but the media is trying to help.
- Not sure what GGG's plan B is if he can't get Canelo fight. Maybe try and lure BJS to fight, maybe wait until fall and try to make the Jacobs mandatory.
- Canelo's PPV's vs. Lara and Angulo were financial successes because of the costs involved.
- A fan asked if Canelo vs. GGG could do 2 million PPV buys? Not even close.
- Interested in Cotto vs. Lemieux? As a regular HBO fight, yes; as a PPV, no.
- Wishes PPV would go away.
- Did Garcia duck Postol? Not really. Garcia was having trouble making 140 and he took a higher profile/money fight vs. Peterson.
- Jacobs will likely fight on the LSC-Frampton card, regardless if he gets made the mandatory for GGG or not.
- If Crawford beats Postol there is a good chance he moves up to 147. It would depend on how much money he could get for another 140 lb fight.
- Good chance we see Gonzalez vs. Inoue in the next 2 years.
- Always liked Macklin as a fighter and a person. Thought he beat Sturm easily.
- Believes that as part of his Showtime deal Joshua will eventually fight in the US.
- Even with Pacquiao winning the Senate seat, still doubts Pacquiao stays retired.
- Hopes Crolla vs. Flanagan happens. Would lean towards Flanagan, but a near 50-50 fight.
- Roc Nation is working on a July fight for Ward, but there is so little money from HBO that it looks like RN needs to land a sponsor to help pay for it for a fight to happen.
- FYI, a reader wrote in and was the one who coined the term "Dopevetkin".
here's an old article i found about that fukkery
Sergio Martinez, the WBC, HBO, and Boxing’s Mad Mad World - BoxingInsider.com
doing that..i was reminded that there was a documentary made about sergio....it was called maravilla...did that ever get released anywhere? i remember searching all types of torrents for it
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Why do I keep watching these Dontaes Boxing Nation Videos 
Dude is worst then Master Teacher
"Guarantee Canelo vs Charlo bros, Andrade, Lara (Rematch) does more then 600k, not a Milly but close"
Dude is worst then Master Teacher
"Guarantee Canelo vs Charlo bros, Andrade, Lara (Rematch) does more then 600k, not a Milly but close"
Why do I keep watching these Dontaes Boxing Nation Videos
Dude is worst then Master Teacher
"Guarantee Canelo vs Charlo bros, Andrade, Lara (Rematch) does more then 600k, not a Milly but close"
For the girls in the beginning of the video
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Come join us on a little thing called Netflix, it is there.
LMFAO with his HGH gut...
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Michael Woods
Demetrius Andrade sets troubles aside, says ambition won’t be denied
Michael Woods
May 13, 2016
Photo by Naoki Fukuda
Andrade. It’s not pronounced “Ahn-drah-day.”
It’s “Ann-drayd.”
We should all know this by now.
Because Rhode Islander Demetrius Andrade is of a talent level that all heavy-duty fight fans should be knowing his name, and appreciating his game.
The fighter, who came out of the 2008 Olympics, now sees 2012 Olympians like Anthony Joshua winning crowns and making bank. The record of the 6-foot-1 lefty stands at 22-0, with 15 KOs, and the good news is, he seems to be poised for a run of activity.
The 28-year-old hitter, trained by his dad, Paul, managed by Ed Farris and co-promoted by Joe DeGuardia and Arthur Pelullo, fights Willie Nelson on June 11 at Turning Stone in Verona, New York. Showtime will showcase, on a tripleheader card topped by 140-pound gladiators Ruslan Provodnikov and John Molina.
My belief is that there’s no reason, I guess beyond maintaining an active schedule, why Andrade shouldn’t be holding straps at 154 and positioning himself to perhaps have fans lobbying on his behalf to get paired up with the Canelos and Cottos and the like. He agrees. “I think of myself as one of the best at 154,” he said.
Nelson (25-2-1, 15 KOs) is good, can be streaky and is the underdog versus the RI guy, who is back in New England after spending time in various map points (Cali, Atlanta, Florida) in the U.S.
Andrade hasn’t lost confidence because of inactivity – he’s completed four fights in 3 1/2 years. “It’s where I belong, where I deserve to be.” He says he now really gets it, what he can do, and what fans are wanting. Showing volume and aggression in more of every round is his aim, he says. “Now I’m letting it flow more, I used to force it.” Part of that is relaxation borne of confidence; in the amateurs he fought people like Keith Thurman and Shawn Porter, and did well, so he knows the level he’s at.
My eyes saw Andrade looking poised and strong and ready to elevate himself when he toyed with Brian Rose in Brooklyn in June 2014. But since then he fought once, last October. That is no way to convince the masses to place you on par with a Canelo, in talent, and stake a claim that you are a Top 25 pound-for-pound guy, on the ascent to the Top 10.
So what gives?
Contractual matters, promotional affairs, a lot of outside-the-ring stuff has kept him inactive. Andrade said he and co-promoters DeGuardia and Pelullo, who each have 25 percent of his contract, are involved in a court matter with Roc Nation Sports. His side maintains Roc tried to sign him to be in their stable and promised things, while Roc presumably takes issue with the contentions from Andrade and Co. “(The lawsuit) is in progress,” Andrade said. “I’m going to let the judge deal with that.” (I asked a Roc Nation spokesman if they cared to respond to this issue and will insert a reply if furnished.)
Andrade seems to know he must compartmentalize these different issues if he’s to handle Nelson, and then maybe progress to fight the winner of the Jermell Charlo vs. John Jackson bout (May 21, for the vacated WBC 154 belt). The winner of that is supposed to fight (“silver” champion) Charles Hatley and the sanctioning body says Andrade (who is currently rated No. 6 by THE RING) will fight the winner of that tangle. (The Charlo-Jackson winner is ordered to fight two mandatories: versus Hatley and then the Andrade-Nelson winner.) That all sounds like it could drag into late 2017 … so Andrade is open to picking up a new script.
“I’m a person who is going to look at the bright side. Bad things can happen. But right now I have my fight I’m looking at. Nelson has had big fights, he’s experienced. I think it’s one of the best 154 matchups there is. And the (court matters), that will come out when it comes out.” (He said there is no court date to progress the case on the docket as of now.)
Sure, his mind can drift. The inactivity means peers have already been given marquee matches and passed the tests. Why boxers have to negotiate as they do and don’t have the support structure, like the unions and player associations other sports do, gnaws at Andrade. “All the other sports, they have someone fighting for them. It would be a better sport if we had that,” he says.
Fan chatter, people critiquing possible paydays when top-tier collegiates get fat guarantees as first-year pros, that can be aggravating to hear. “And we’re not playing. You can get knocked out and stuff. It’s crazy people think that. But Floyd is an example. He wasn’t making it. He kept going, to get there.”
Andrade wants those mega marquee fights. He’s open to fighting the Charlos and Erislandy Laras and such, but the shinier targets are his aim. His final words? “I think I’m the best at 154. I want the top names. And I’m working to get in with those big guys.”
Demetrius Andrade ready for return, ambition sky-high - Ring TV
#AndradeAlliance
#Androids?
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"At least he's actually reaching out to his fans, aka the TMT stans, and letting them know that they need to actually start supporting Mayweather Promotions and watching their fights
Good job Floyd...this is definitely a foot in the right direction
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those russians are skanks man..
real funky b*stards peoples..
real funky b*stards peoples..