Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

nikkas don't have to be all that accomplished in order to be a bad style match up for someone.

Leo Santa Cruz's resume was looking like Kimbo's when compared to Abner Mares record and he still soundly defeated Mares.

Sure resumes play their part in evaluating head to head matches, but it's not the only thing.

i'm really not even talking about the actual matchup. i'm just talking about canelo actually being scared of these dudes. the same guy who fought floyd, trout, lara, and was signed on to fight paul williams at 22 years old is scared of demetrius andrade??....

 

[krackdagawd]

Spence is denying that he turned down Kell Brook fight (as told by Eddie Hearn)

When Roided up Spence makes easy work of Brook

 

[Newzz]

@patscorpio @LauderdaleBoss @mr heyzel...brehs, the way they are just dismissing Andrade, Williams, and Lubin as if they are some no name bums is to me as if those aren't 3 of the Top 6 Junior Middleweights today strictly off of skill alone.


I've already laid out on the table several reasons off the top of my head as to why I think Canelo loses to any of the 3:

1. He's only 5'9 with a 70'' reach. Williams is 5'11 with a 73'' reach, Lubin is 5'11 with a 76'' reach, and Andrade is 6'1 with long arms as well
2. Canelo has always been bigger or heavier than everyone he's faced...sometimes both. He wouldn't have both advantages against any of the 3 names I listed
3. Canelo has good boxing skill and power, but the same can be said for Williams, Andrade, and Lubin
4. Canelo has struggled against Trout, Floyd, Lara, and even Khan...all guys who box first with light power (Khan doesn't possess JMW punching power) Williams, Lubin, and Andrade are of the same style that has given Canelo problems, but bring more power to the table than those 4 did.

I would like to see Canelo matched up at 155 against either of em (Andrade or Williams) if he doesn't face GGG next, but I doubt it happens. I think GBP will keep him away from bigger, more athletic black fighters with boxing skill and punching power.


If it's not GGG, it'll be Cotto again

 

[Newzz]

Compare mares to Canelo breh. The difference is canelo is in his prime, is a master boxer, and has ko power

Where was this master Boxing against Trout, Lara, & Floyd?



There's only 4 "master boxers" today....Floyd Mayweather Jr, Guillermo Rigondeaux, Vasyl Lomachenko, and Andre Ward.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Can't prove or disprove hypotheticals breh

 

[krackdagawd]

I don't define dark skin Cubans as black.

This dude right here isn't black

This is almost as bad as that TLR thread where nikkas said the singer Seal wasn't black

As far as where this thread is going Canelo has reached the Floyd level where he has to set up events and sell ppvs he can't just fight any and everyone every 2 months and shyt

Let all these nikkas fight each other and he fights the winner. I don't think Andrade beats Canelo he might have a close fight where he doesn't get the decision in but he isn't beating him right now. As far as J Rock he is good but the boxing world been overrating the fukk out of dude.

You dudes already know how I feel about "im being avoided no one wants to fight me" ass nikkas.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Compare mares to Canelo breh. The difference is canelo is in his prime, is a master boxer, and has ko power

Mares was in his physical prime too, but it's usually harder to come back from a brutal KO than it is to bounce back from a decision loss where you hardly took any punishment.

Mares has actually CLEARLY beaten top level fighters in his division. He didn't win a bunch of close could go either way fights like Canelo did with Trout and Lara.

So with all that master boxer talk.

Mares got one of the best resumes in boxing. It's just that nikkas don't respect the smaller weight classes so they'll just dismiss people.

Mare's has also proven himself against all types of styles too.

He did better against Moreno (slick southpaw) than Canelo did with Lara (slick southpaw)

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Master boxer ? More like the footwork of a cement mixer.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

@patscorpio @LauderdaleBoss @mr heyzel...brehs, the way they are just dismissing Andrade, Williams, and Lubin as if they are some no name bums is :mindblown to me as if those aren't 3 of the Top 6 Junior Middleweights today strictly off of skill alone.

who called them bums?......it has nothing to do with their talent. it's about you accusing canelo of actually being shook of these dudes when he's been in the ring with the GOAT fighter of this era. when he was signed on to fight paul williams at 22. when he's already fought and BEAT lara and trout. lara and trout were the best "slick" fighters at the time....the fighters who canelo was going to run from. and he took them both on immediately. canelo is much more proven than either J rock and andrade and it's not even close. canelo is a superstar at 25. he doesn't have to rush into anything anymore. he's taken on countless high risk fights when he didn't have to. canelo being shook of anybody holds no weight.

 

[Newzz]

Can't prove or disprove hypotheticals breh

Exactly, so what you're supposed to do is try to provide reasons (Going into detail about skill vs skill for example) in order to make your point at least. Not say, "bu-bu-but, Andrade or Williams aren't know" as if that means anything as to how a fight would play out.


How would 5'9 Canelo deal with these 6'0, long arm black fighters, who all possess speed, quickness,size, legit Junior Middleweight power, and good technical skills in a boxing ring? I don't think he will fare well against them at all.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

i'm really not even talking about the actual matchup. i'm just talking about canelo actually being scared of these dudes. the same guy who fought floyd, trout, lara, and was signed on to fight paul williams at 22 years old is scared of demetrius andrade??....

I don't think Canelo scared of them either. Never said he was.

I just think those are difficult fights for him.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Mares was in his physical prime too, but it's usually harder to come back from a brutal KO than it is to bounce back from a decision loss where you hardly took any punishment.

Mares has actually CLEARLY beaten top level fighters in his division. He didn't win a bunch of close could go either way fights like Canelo did with Trout and Lara.

So with all that master boxer talk.

Mares got one of the best resumes in boxing. It's just that nikkas don't respect the smaller weight classes so they'll just dismiss people.

Mare's has also proven himself against all types of styles too.

He did better against Moreno (slick southpaw) than Canelo did with Lara (slick southpaw)

I wanted Moreno to win that one

 

[Newzz]

This dude right here isn't black

This is almost as bad as that TLR thread where nikkas said the singer Seal wasn't black

Nope.



I don't equate any Afro-Latinos born and raised in another country with African-Americans



Totally different cultures & upbringings....and a lot of them be racist against us AA's when they DO get here

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I wanted Moreno to win that one

I feel you breh.

I like both boxers, but picked Moreno to win that one. When he lost I was like Even my pops was pissed.

Made me respect Mares even more though, because he fought the right type of fight to win.

I heard Moreno had a pretty good scrap recently. I gotta hit that shyt up.

 

[Newzz]

who called them bums?......it has nothing to do with their talent. it's about you accusing canelo of actually being shook of these dudes when he's been in the ring with the GOAT fighter of this era. when he was signed on to fight paul williams at 22. when he's already fought and BEAT lara and trout. lara and trout were the best "slick" fighters at the time....the fighters who canelo was going to run from. and he took them both on immediately. canelo is much more proven than either J rock and andrade and it's not even close. canelo is a superstar at 25. he doesn't have to rush into anything anymore. he's taken on countless high risk fights when he didn't have to. canelo being shook of anybody holds no weight.

Where did I say Canelo was shook of them?



I could've swore I said that GB wont put him in the ring with them....not that Canelo is afraid to face them

Clottey never faced Canelo, but no...he loses. He doesnt possess the fighting style to beat Canelo. He doesnt press the issue and doesnt move much. he'd be a sitting target for Canelo to tee off on imo.


Andrade is definitely a good fighter. On June 11th he faces #OhioPlayers own Willie Nelson


I think he's too big, athetic, and skilled for Canelo to ever beat him, and I think GBP knows it too, which is why they never took the bait....they were not even willing to do a unification bout against Andrade

@patscorpio @LauderdaleBoss @mr heyzel...brehs, the way they are just dismissing Andrade, Williams, and Lubin as if they are some no name bums is to me as if those aren't 3 of the Top 6 Junior Middleweights today strictly off of skill alone.


I've already laid out on the table several reasons off the top of my head as to why I think Canelo loses to any of the 3:

1. He's only 5'9 with a 70'' reach. Williams is 5'11 with a 73'' reach, Lubin is 5'11 with a 76'' reach, and Andrade is 6'1 with long arms as well
2. Canelo has always been bigger or heavier than everyone he's faced...sometimes both. He wouldn't have both advantages against any of the 3 names I listed
3. Canelo has good boxing skill and power, but the same can be said for Williams, Andrade, and Lubin
4. Canelo has struggled against Trout, Floyd, Lara, and even Khan...all guys who box first with light power (Khan doesn't possess JMW punching power) Williams, Lubin, and Andrade are of the same style that has given Canelo problems, but bring more power to the table than those 4 did.

I would like to see Canelo matched up at 155 against either of em (Andrade or Williams) if he doesn't face GGG next, but I doubt it happens. I think GBP will keep him away from bigger, more athletic black fighters with boxing skill and punching power.


If it's not GGG, it'll be Cotto again

And I stand by that statement until I see Canelo face off against one.