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[Newzz]

You're clearly missing the point here breh. With the exception of Algeria (who Manny also fought), who else has Spence fought?. Yes boxers with better resumes get beat every day. However look at all those opponents you're noting that Manny fought; JMM, Bradley, Floyd, Shane Mosley. Spence has NEVER faced that level of competition. He beat one gatekeeper opponent, although looked impressive doing so. but do what you got to

Manny is 0-2 against JMM in the last 5 years including being KTFO.

Floyd easily outclassed him.

Mosley was 40 years old, and coming off a wide loss to Floyd and a draw to Sergio Mora of all people before stepping in the ring with Pacquiao

Bradley? I don't think highly of Bradley's actual boxing skill...so 3 victories over him don't mean much to me. Especially considering Bradley's recent run of fights himself.

Brandon Rios? We knew that was a bullshyt matchup from the jump. I doubt he can even beat Robert Guerrero honestly.

Chris Algieri? Just got dropped 3 times and destroyed in much more dominant fashion by Spence in only 12 minutes and 51 seconds...while Manny went the full 36 minutes with him.





Who has Pacquiao beaten in the last 5 years to simply dismiss a fighter who holds the majority of advantages over him when it comes to physicality/talent? The only reason you & everyone else is saying Spence cant beat him is because you're holding on to Manny's resume...but that's only comparing career vs career rather than talent vs talent.


We all know that Pacquiao has a better overall resume than Spence, however, in a head to head matchup, it means nothing.

Example: Wladmir Klitschko had a better resume than Tyson Fury, Prov had a better resume than Algieri, Morales resume > Raheem, Dawson resume > Stevenson resume, Tzsyu's resume > Hatton's resume, Judah's resume > Baldomir's, Forrest's resume > Mayorga's, Hearns resume > Barkley's, JCC Sr resume > Randall's, RJJ's resume > Tarver's, Lewis' resume > Rahman's....all of them lost.


Pacquiao loses to both Spence and Crawford imo because they are both to big, too strong (in Spence's case), skilled, accurate (in T-Craw's case) and young for him. Hopefully he fights one of em if he chooses to fight again and we can revisit this at that point

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

at Floyd easily outclassing Manny.

The only thing them fukk nikkas did was easily finesses the public out of $100 after waiting 6 years for them to fight in the first place.

I gotta see Spence pass the chin test before I favor him over Manny. I have no problem with cats saying Spence needs to beat Brook or a few other top names before we start that mythical match up or potential fight. Algieri is a good test and legit win, but it's still not enough.

Crawford I can understand since he's more proven, but man he takes too many clean shots early in fights and if he lets Manny start off good like that I don't know what could happen.

but Manny's retired so ain't no point in talking about those match ups.

 

[Newzz]

 

[Newzz]

at Floyd easily outclassing Manny.

The only thing them fukk nikkas did was easily finesses the public out of $100 after waiting 6 years for them to fight in the first place.

Pacquiao won 2 rounds on my card and never threatened Floyd at all in their fight. How was he not outclassed when there weren't many "up for grabs" rounds? It was pretty much all Floyd and he put on a clean performance


Floyd looked on another level than Pacquiao...fight was closer to 120-108 than 114-114. Never did Pacquiao look in control of the fight

 

[Axum Ezana]

I've never made a public P4P list before... what ya'll think?

Note: I don't mind any criticism or critiquing of the list, I'm just going off what I've seen recently and what they've done. Hope it's not too turrible.

Note2: Manny and Floyd are both retired so they're not on the list.

1. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
2. Sergey "KKKrusher" Kovalev
3. Erislandy "The American Dream" Lara
4. Roman "Chocalito" Gonzales
5. Carl "The Jackal" Frampton
6. Terrence "Bud" Crawford
7. Tyson Fury -- ...does he have a nickname?
8. Guillermo "El Jackal" Rigondeaux
9. Wanheng Menayothin
10. Gennady "GGG" Golovkin
11. "Dr. Steelhammer" Wladimir Klitschko
12. Rances Barthelemy
13. Shinsuke "God's Left" Yamanaka
14. Donnie Nietes
15. Krysztof Glowacki
16. Viktor "Iceman" Postol
17. Andre "S.O.G." Ward
18. Naoya "Monster" Inoue
19. Kazuka Ioka
20. Takashi Uchiyama

Runner Ups: Adonis "Superman" Stevenson, Kell "Special K" Brook, Keith "1-Time" Thurman, Jamie McDonnell, Juan Francisco Estrada

put me on to him...never heard of em. what has he done to be so high?

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Pacquiao won 2 rounds on my card and never threatened Floyd at all in their fight. How was he not outclassed when there weren't many "up for grabs" rounds? It was pretty much all Floyd and he put on a clean performance


Floyd looked on another level than Pacquiao...fight was closer to 120-108 than 114-114. Never did Pacquiao look in control of the fight

Breh, I fukks with you heavy, but nobody on here will ever convince me that Pac only took 2 rds from Floyd in that fight. Nah. I just don't see it. I don't even think Floyd Sr believes that with the way he was yelling at Floyd for fighting scary. If that's the case, that's the most scariest dominant performance ever because that nikka never looked comfortable in that fight.

I gave Pac 5 rounds, but 4 rounds is the most objective I can see and most cats including Bread and the Floyd stans I saw the fight with agreed with that. Besides how can you hurt/buzz somebody twice and not threaten them.

I'm not going to go back and forth with this shyt, because it's only going to attract more Floyd stans and turn the following pages into discussing that turd joust of a fight.

So this will be my final post in regards to that. We can talk about Spence though.

 

[Newzz]

Breh, I fukks with you heavy, but nobody on here will ever convince me that Pac only took 2 rds from Floyd in that fight. Nah. I just don't see it. I don't even think Floyd Sr believes that with the way he was yelling at Floyd for fighting scary. If that's the case, that's the most scariest dominant performance ever because that nikka never looked comfortable in that fight.

I gave Pac 5 rounds, but 4 rounds is the most objective I can see and most cats including Bread and the Floyd stans I saw the fight with agreed with that. Besides how can you hurt/buzz somebody twice and not threaten them.

I'm not going to go back and forth with this shyt, because it's only going to attract more Floyd stans and turn the following pages into discussing that turd joust of a fight.

So this will be my final post in regards to that. We can talk about Spence though.

yeah, you know I hate discussing that fight too...we'll just disregard that fight.



As far as Spence goes, how can you do anything when you have people acting like he's playing "Duck, Duck, Goose" and praying to Allah Haymon they aren't picked next? Even Swift talkin bout:






But yet in his 21st career fight, Swift beat 27-4 Kendall **** (1 time WBO Junior Welterweight Champion) and in his 22nd fight was facing Erik Morales for the Championship. Morales didn't tell him to "pay his dues" first


Spence just fought 21-2 Chris Algieri (1 time WBO Junior Welterwight Champion) and in his 21st fight looking to face a Champion......but he has to wait


In his 18th professional fight, Floyd was fighting for a Championship. Nobody said "he needs to wait some more"

Somebody, besides Algieri (who gets for taking the fight) has to be willing to get in the ring with Spence. Instead, all of this Welterweights in this "stacked division" are looking to move out the way or push Spence on to the next man...and people are sitting back allowing it, while claiming the Boxing needs to have the best fighting the best like back in the good ol days

 

[Axum Ezana]

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

yeah, you know I hate discussing that fight too...we'll just disregard that fight.



As far as Spence goes, how can you do anything when you have people acting like he's playing "Duck, Duck, Goose" and praying to Allah Haymon they aren't picked next? Even Swift talkin bout:






But yet in his 21st career fight, Swift beat 27-4 Kendall **** (1 time WBO Junior Welterweight Champion) and in his 22nd fight was facing Erik Morales for the Championship. Morales didn't tell him to "pay his dues" first or fight a "real fighter first"


Spence just fought 21-2 Chris Algieri (1 time WBO Junior Welterwight Champion) and in his 21st fight looking to face a Champion......but he has to wait


In his 18th professional fight, Floyd was fighting for a Championship. Nobody said "he needs to wait some more"

Somebody, besides Algieri (who gets for taking the fight) has to be willing to get in the ring with Spence. Instead, all of this Welterweights in this "stacked division" are looking to move out the way or push Spence on to the next man...and people are sitting back allowing it, while claiming the Boxing needs to have the best fighting the best like back in the good ol days

I honestly think Spence needs one more fight and against a puncher, before we crown him and start throwing him at the top dudes.

Let Spence destroy Chaves or someone in that lane, then I'm good. I don't even wanna hear nikkas try to duck the kid after that.

The sad thing is that PBC and showtime have already shown us so many Spence fights and we've seen the kid beast so much, that now we want him to fight the top dudes, but he never really gradually worked his way up. It was bums and cans, C level guys and then Algieri (who's B level himself) and now nikkas is like yeah he can beat Manny, Swift, Thurman, Jesus, etc...

Hell, even a Collazo type guy ain't bad for Spence.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

Pacquiao won 2 rounds on my card and never threatened Floyd at all in their fight. How was he not outclassed when there weren't many "up for grabs" rounds? It was pretty much all Floyd and he put on a clean performance


Floyd looked on another level than Pacquiao...fight was closer to 120-108 than 114-114. Never did Pacquiao look in control of the fight

I gave Pac rounds 4 and 6. That's it.

 

[Newzz]

I honestly think Spence needs one more fight and against a puncher, before we crown him and start throwing him at the top dudes.

Let Spence destroy Chaves or someone in that lane, then I'm good. I don't even wanna hear nikkas try to duck the kid after that.

The sad thing is that PBC and showtime have already shown us so many Spence fights and we've seen the kid beast so much, that now we want him to fight the top dudes, but he never really gradually worked his way up. It was bums and cans, C level guys and then Algieri (who's B level himself) and now nikkas is like yeah he can beat Manny, Swift, Thurman, Jesus, etc...

Hell, even a Collazo type guy ain't bad for Spence.

Once he destroys Ponomarev, people are still gonna say he needs to fight someone else. Luckily, he will be Kell Brook's mandatory and Im not so sure Brook will fight him

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

I think Spence will take over the WW easily. Ironically, Kell Brook is his hardest test at 147, imo. Thurman just wouldn't do well against him, and Garcia and Porter would get obliterated. Honestly, there just needs to be some kind of tournament.

BTW people sleep on Pacquaio. I think Spence COULD beat him, but it would take everything for him to do so. Pacquaio has too much experience and too much speed. I'd say Spence would be ready for Pacquaio in a year, IF he beats Brook and Thurman, which he would if they fought.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

If I'm Crawford, I beat Postol this summer, I wait until everyone beats each other at WW, and then move up and create a big fight against Spence. I'd say give it a year/2 tops before Spence and Crawford meet.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Pacquiao loses to both Spence and Crawford imo because they are both to big, too strong (in Spence's case), skilled, accurate (in T-Craw's case) and young for him. Hopefully he fights one of em if he chooses to fight again and we can revisit this at that point

I simply don't agree friend Fighting top notch competition vs journey men, chris Algeria, phil lo Greco, hank lundy, and Dulorme, shyt gets a little bit different. Keep in mind in all these discussions I haven't slandered Spence, just offering my unbiased opinion. It's the old 'Potential' vs 'This is what it is now" argument.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Any offensive fighters young or old atb147 is food to pac, spence has potential and improving.