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But we don't know that, so that cant be used as proof or factual breh.


We know for a fact that Stevenson has no exclusive contract with Showtime and can fight on whatever network he pleases. We also know for a fact that Stevenson's promoter is saying that a joint HBO/Showtime PPV is needed, while Showtime is saying it isn't. That's a direct contradiction between Team Stevenson right there, because they are STILL on twitter right now saying they want PPV:heh:


So, if Showtime isn't on board with a PPV, why are we discussing them in a PPV joint venture? Fight could easily be made with Stevenson vs Kovalev on HBO PPV, but because "loyalty" from Yvon Michel, we cant get the fight.


allegiance, business, partnership of Yvon Michel is > #strongerthanacontract ...not Adonis Stevenson:yeshrug:


HBO WANTS PPV they are giving into HBO wants N saying if it has to be PPV our side needs to get in on that

Espinosa said the fight Should Not be on PPV in the USA at all...He Never said Showtime doesn't want PPV so go ahead HBO you put it on PPV without us :beli:

If it HAS to be on PPV (per HBO) N errything else is 50/50 then why tf would HBO get 100% of the PPV:mindblown:
 

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HBO WANTS PPV they are giving into HBO wants N saying if it has to be PPV our side needs to get in on that

What is their "side"? Stevenson doesn't have a side breh....he's not exclusive. He can fight on any network he chooses.

Espinosa said the fight Should Not be on PPV in the USA at all...He Never said Showtime doesn't want PPV so go ahead HBO you put it on PPV without us :beli:


Which HBO has all intentions too.

If it HAS to be on PPV (per HBO) N errything else is 50/50 then why tf would HBO get 100% of the PPV:mindblown:

Because, Stevenson is not attached to any network....unless Stevenson actually signs an agreement with Showtime saying such, why are we talking about Showtime???
 

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The funny thing is I don't think they really have a lot of personal animosity, they just love throwing barbs at each other. Adonis didn't seem overly upset Saturday and Kovalev could have cared less when Adonis rushed the stage. I think it is more done as hype and to build interest...despite a fight actually being incredibly hard to make.
Here's two months ago and they get along fine:

Really seems like both are willing to fight, but both also aren't willing to tell their promoters what to do, they are letting the promoters make their decisions.
 

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Kovalev's Manager Reveals The Terms For Stevenson Unification


By Steve Kim


Egis Klimas, the manager of unified light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev, wasn't all that amused by the antics of WBC titlist, Adonis Stevenson, after his fighter stopped Jean Pascal in their rematch this past Saturday night at the

Bell Centre in Montreal.

Following Kovalev's seventh round stoppage of Pascal, Stevenson entered the ring with his entourage and confronted Kovalev during the live HBO post-fight interview.

"Basically he jumped in the ring with all his goons, which means he is scared. Like Tyson Fury, he said a message to (Deontay) Wilder but he was by himself. Stevenson has to get into the ring with a bunch of goons and act like a clown," said the manager, of the verbal altercation that took place between Kovalev and Stevenson.

What distresses Klimas more is the message being put forth by Stevenson regarding the financial split that was offered for a fight between the two.


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"He was - him and his goons - yelling,'50-50'. So basically my thinking is that the management and the promotional team is not bringing to Stevenson 100-percent of what is being offered to him," surmised Klimas. "So basically Stevenson is missing some information where he doesn't know that the deal offered for Kovalev was 50-50 and all they're yelling is '50-50' was coming out of their mouth."

Klimas makes it clear, "Yes, we offered a deal for Stevenson-Kovalev 50-50. The contract was there for like three, four weeks. We had a deadline date, we had everything they asked. We guaranteed them $2 million from the first money that comes from the pay-per-view. It was there they had everything they need. At the last minute, Friday (January 22nd) was the last day and they asked for an extension till Tuesday (January 26th). HBO gave them the extension.


"But still, Tuesday they come back and knocked it out. They said,'No, we're not going to do it.' Their excuse was,'We want to make it 50-50' and plus it has to be [a] combined [pay-per-view] with HBO and Showtime. Nobody thinks Stevenson is in a league where Floyd Mayweather was when they made the (Manny) Pacquiao fight. Second of all, the last time Stevenson appeared on Showtime it was December of 2014, which means he has no deal with no TV network. Everybody around the world knows Sergey Kovalev has a signed deal with HBO. We can't go away from HBO.


"So my message to Stevenson and to all the boxing world: basically the management is for the fighter, looking for where is the best fight, where of course the best money has to be."


Klimas broke down the finances for this proposed fight: "We offered Madison Square Garden or the MGM Grand, where the estimated gate was $4 million. We offered approximate sales with HBO, 300,000 buys which is another $9 million. We offered sponsorships which is about another million dollars, international sales around the world - that's another million dollars."


The manager believes that there was between $12-15 million for both sides to divide up and he reiterated - "We were willing to split 50-50. Question is: can his management guarantee him a fight for this kind of money? So basically what is his management looking for? Protecting the fighter or protecting their business and protecting their TV network? That's the biggest question here."


When asked if Kovalev was moving on, Klimas answered, "Yes, of course, we already did. There's no more negotiations. We are moving."

It seems destined that 'the Krusher' will now have a homecoming fight in Russia before his much talked about showdown with Andre Ward in the fall.

"Today we do not need Stevenson. Stevenson is already, what, 39 years old? Who's he going to fight? He's going to fight for a million-and-a-half (dollars), maybe somebody is going to give him two, then who's he going to fight. Andrzej Fonfara or ( Elieder) Alvarez and then knocked out in the ring and his career is going to be over. We don't care anymore, he's the past, he's history," stated Klimas.

Steve Kim is the news editor for BoxingScene.com.


Kovalev's Manager Reveals The Terms For Stevenson Unification - Boxing News



#strongerthanacontract :mjpls:
 

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Kovalev's Manager Reveals The Terms For Stevenson Unification


By Steve Kim


Egis Klimas, the manager of unified light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev, wasn't all that amused by the antics of WBC titlist, Adonis Stevenson, after his fighter stopped Jean Pascal in their rematch this past Saturday night at the

Bell Centre in Montreal.

Following Kovalev's seventh round stoppage of Pascal, Stevenson entered the ring with his entourage and confronted Kovalev during the live HBO post-fight interview.

"Basically he jumped in the ring with all his goons, which means he is scared. Like Tyson Fury, he said a message to (Deontay) Wilder but he was by himself. Stevenson has to get into the ring with a bunch of goons and act like a clown," said the manager, of the verbal altercation that took place between Kovalev and Stevenson.

What distresses Klimas more is the message being put forth by Stevenson regarding the financial split that was offered for a fight between the two.


kovalev-stevenson.jpeg



"He was - him and his goons - yelling,'50-50'. So basically my thinking is that the management and the promotional team is not bringing to Stevenson 100-percent of what is being offered to him," surmised Klimas. "So basically Stevenson is missing some information where he doesn't know that the deal offered for Kovalev was 50-50 and all they're yelling is '50-50' was coming out of their mouth."

Klimas makes it clear, "Yes, we offered a deal for Stevenson-Kovalev 50-50. The contract was there for like three, four weeks. We had a deadline date, we had everything they asked. We guaranteed them $2 million from the first money that comes from the pay-per-view. It was there they had everything they need. At the last minute, Friday (January 22nd) was the last day and they asked for an extension till Tuesday (January 26th). HBO gave them the extension.


"But still, Tuesday they come back and knocked it out. They said,'No, we're not going to do it.' Their excuse was,'We want to make it 50-50' and plus it has to be [a] combined [pay-per-view] with HBO and Showtime. Nobody thinks Stevenson is in a league where Floyd Mayweather was when they made the (Manny) Pacquiao fight. Second of all, the last time Stevenson appeared on Showtime it was December of 2014, which means he has no deal with no TV network. Everybody around the world knows Sergey Kovalev has a signed deal with HBO. We can't go away from HBO.


"So my message to Stevenson and to all the boxing world: basically the management is for the fighter, looking for where is the best fight, where of course the best money has to be."


Klimas broke down the finances for this proposed fight: "We offered Madison Square Garden or the MGM Grand, where the estimated gate was $4 million. We offered approximate sales with HBO, 300,000 buys which is another $9 million. We offered sponsorships which is about another million dollars, international sales around the world - that's another million dollars."


The manager believes that there was between $12-15 million for both sides to divide up and he reiterated - "We were willing to split 50-50. Question is: can his management guarantee him a fight for this kind of money? So basically what is his management looking for? Protecting the fighter or protecting their business and protecting their TV network? That's the biggest question here."


When asked if Kovalev was moving on, Klimas answered, "Yes, of course, we already did. There's no more negotiations. We are moving."

It seems destined that 'the Krusher' will now have a homecoming fight in Russia before his much talked about showdown with Andre Ward in the fall.

"Today we do not need Stevenson. Stevenson is already, what, 39 years old? Who's he going to fight? He's going to fight for a million-and-a-half (dollars), maybe somebody is going to give him two, then who's he going to fight. Andrzej Fonfara or ( Elieder) Alvarez and then knocked out in the ring and his career is going to be over. We don't care anymore, he's the past, he's history," stated Klimas.

Steve Kim is the news editor for BoxingScene.com.


Kovalev's Manager Reveals The Terms For Stevenson Unification - Boxing News



#strongerthanacontract :mjpls:
I hate to go off of just one article and one from the perspective of Kovalev's manager, but..........that kinda sounds like the most likely scenario and truth to the situation. Now the fight being exclusive to HBO may have been a big issue, but that is a very reasonable opinion to believe that is what Stevenson was offered.
Can't wait to see how Stevenson and his team come back. :lupe:
 

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I hate to go off of just one article and one from the perspective of Kovalev's manager, but..........that kinda sounds like the most likely scenario and truth to the situation. Now the fight being exclusive to HBO may have been a big issue, but that is a very reasonable opinion to believe that is what Stevenson was offered.
Can't wait to see how Stevenson and his team come back. :lupe:


They cant come back....because they have nothing to say:heh:


They not even on the same page about PPV or advising Stevenson what's been offered to him:dead:


Yvon Michel is saying they need joint HBO/Showtime PPV to make it happen....Showtime doesn't think it should be on PPV in the US:mjlol:


Stevenson is a network FA, but GYM/Haymon does a lot of business with Showtime, which leads to the GREAT question posed by Kovalev's manager: "...what is his management looking for? Protecting the fighter (Stevenson) or protecting their business (GYM/PBC/Haymon) and protecting their TV network (Showtime)? That's the biggest question here."


#Checkmate
 

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That article is bullshyt...Team Superman told them last minute on January 26th It had to be a co promotion woooooord??


This video was dropped Jan 14th
Start at the 3min mark... Duva fukking says Team Superman wanted Co promotion :dead:



It HAS to be on HBO even tho other outlets would pay more money for it

It HAS to be on HBO PPV even tho its not a PPV worthy fight

It HAS to be 50/50 even tho Superman is the draw in Canada, makes bigger purses, does the bigger TV ratings, AND is lineal Champ

:cape:bent over for all of Kovalevs sides demands... Superman's team asks for ONE thing...N no fight off to Russia we go :dead:
 

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More on what Stevenson was offered by Main Events:


 

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It HAS to be on HBO even tho other outlets would pay more money for it

It HAS to be on HBO PPV even tho its not a PPV worthy fight

It HAS to be 50/50 even tho Superman is the draw in Canada, makes bigger purses, does the bigger TV ratings, AND is lineal Champ

:cape:bent over for all of Kovalevs sides demands... Superman's team asks for ONE thing...N no fight off to Russia we go :dead:

It HAS to be on HBO or the fight cant happen period. Kovalev has an exclusivity contract....Stevenson doesn't.:dwillhuh:

It HAS to be on HBO PPV due to the amount of money needed by both fighters....unless you think Kovalev vs Stevenson is cool with them both splitting $4 - $5 million dollars breh, which Stevenson nor Kovalev is:dwillhuh:

It HAS to be 50/50, because that's what Stevenson requested breh:dwillhuh:



They offered a 50% split of everything Stevenson wants...what is the hold up? Because Showtime wont be involved....a network who doesn't think highly of Stevenson to even sign him to an exclusive contract?:dwillhuh:



Team Stevenson is hiding behind Showtime to block the fight, as if they are somehow involved with his dealings, which legally they aren't.
 

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It HAS to be on HBO or the fight cant happen period. Kovalev has an exclusivity contract....Stevenson doesn't.:dwillhuh:

It HAS to be on HBO PPV due to the amount of money needed by both fighters....unless you think Kovalev vs Stevenson is cool with them both splitting $4 - $5 million dollars breh, which Stevenson nor Kovalev is:dwillhuh:

It HAS to be 50/50, because that's what Stevenson requested breh:dwillhuh:

Stevenson requested 50/50 :dahell:.... The lineal Champ who does better TV ratings, gets bigger purses, fills the arena in Canada requested 50/50 :dead:


:cape:- " Nah Kovalev I demand you take this 50% or no fight"



:mindblown:



If you're a fighter N you know for a fact if we fight on CBS we both going to make ALOT of money...but we can't cuz your contract...N I said ok well still do it even for less money on your network...That's fukking compromise on :cape: part...not a fukking duck


One side is compromising N the other side thinks they are Floyd Mayweather
 

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Well, Stevenson is not signed to any network, so for them to push for a joint HBO/Showtime PPV is kind of pointless, when Stevenson CAN fight on HBO with 0 issues while Kovalev can ONLY fight on HBO.


My opinion on this entire situation is: They should at least do a 60/40 split in Stevenson's favor for him to fight on HBO PPV....he is the Lineal Champion and all. If he turns it down, then that's on him and the "Chickenson" name will forever stick. Imo, he's ducking Kovalev, because there is 0 reason for him/his team to push so hard for Showtime when they don't have an exclusive contract with them. It's a charade to hide behind.

Adonis does have a contract with PBC though. And HBO has an ongoing ban on PBC fighters so, unless they make an exception, he can't exactly fight on HBO either.
 

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Btw, I'm officially sold on Lubin @Newzz

This kid is the real deal, and I think he's the best up and comer. Better than Spence, better than Verdejo. I think he can be an elite fighter, and he'll definitely be a champ in the future

Me too. First time seeing him. You think lil homie would be better served to reach out to any of the elite trainers to see if they willing to help him or is that too soon?
 

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I'm not 100% how it works....but I think HBO wants it on PPV so they can get their hands in the Canada PPV...that's the only thing that makes sense since this fight won't sell well here at all...GGG Lemeuix had to do 150k... N Superman Kovalev purses will be more so they'd have to do like 300k which won't fukking happen
Stevenson Kovalev I could see doing 200k PPV. That international ppv money is where its at though
 
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