he says a lot of things but he's not wrong on that lol
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he says a lot of things but he's not wrong on that lol
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
That is the problem with being an talented fighter on the rise, whose fan base isn't built in yet. No one wants to face you for the money/risk offered. See Beterbiev as well. People obviously don't want to face JRock unless they will be compensated well, since the risk of an L is great.
beterbiev is lucky though..he already has names on his record who happened to be former champions
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
But he already has had some higher profile guys turn down fighting him and the rumor was not enough money.
So, now we can confirm that Vanes was looking for 500k to an upcoming contender's 250k (at max), for a fight on network TV/Showtime.......but only made 300k (150k was the numbers released by the NSAC though NSAC details purses for Mayweather-Berto card
) to fight a former Champion on a Floyd Mayweather PPV
That folks, is called pricing yourself out
ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
Edwin Rodriguez was also 24-0, a Top 10 RING ranked opponent, fighting against Ward in a Championship fight at a time when Ward was doing good rating numbers on HBO, and had his purse negotiated by his advisor....Al Haymon
Barrera is only 17-0, unranked by RING, attempting to face Ward in a non-title bout in which Ward's ratings are still a TBD at this point on HBO
Not the same
Nobody cares about Ring Top 10 rankings but you breh....HBO doesn't mention Ring Rankings ever
Rodriguez' fight before Ward was un televized in Monte Carlo against the ever dangerous 13-1-1 Denis Grachez...nobody knew who Rodriguez was N his only fight on HBO was against some CAC named DON DA BOMB
he got a million cuz HBO was desperate to find an opp for Ward...they desperate now but only goin offer 300k nobody with a smart team would accept thatAsk Willie Monroe bout doin HBO favors N taking short money
Paul
Smith jus got 250k on BETHBO can only afford 50k more then BET for a Ward Opp
Nobody cares about Ring Top 10 rankings but you breh....HBO doesn't mention Ring Rankings ever
Rodriguez' fight before Ward was un televized in Monte Carlo against the ever dangerous 13-1-1 Denis Grachez...nobody knew who Rodriguez was N his only fight on HBO was against some CAC named DON DA BOMB
Ask Willie Monroe bout doin HBO favors N taking short money
Paul
HBO can only afford 50k more then BET for a Ward Opp
Id freeze WArd out
WARD CANT EVEN FIGHT IN MOVIES nikka
Id freeze WArd out
WARD CANT EVEN FIGHT IN MOVIES nikka
Ward is 1-0 with his 1 win coming via KO in movies
Danny "Stuntman" Wheeler....the NEW #1 P4P in the fictional Boxing universe
#SOGGang
:soggang:
Nobody cares about Ring Top 10 rankings but you breh....HBO doesn't mention Ring Rankings ever
Rodriguez' fight before Ward was un televized in Monte Carlo against the ever dangerous 13-1-1 Denis Grachez...nobody knew who Rodriguez was N his only fight on HBO was against some CAC named DON DA BOMB
Ask Willie Monroe bout doin HBO favors N taking short money
Paul
HBO can only afford 50k more then BET for a Ward Opp
You dismissed everything I said except the RING ranking
Again breh:
Edwin Rodriguez was 24-0, fighting against Ward in a Championship fight at a time when Ward was doing good rating numbers on HBO, and had his purse negotiated by his advisor....Al Haymon
Barrera is only 17-0 and is attempting to face Ward in a non-title bout in which Ward's ratings are still a TBD at this point on HBO
Not the same, because circumstances with SOG have changed since 2013 and after these BET numbers came out
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Dan Rafael chat wrap 12/23 (no Friday chat):
- Rosado wants Canelo next, doubts it happens. GB wants Canelo's May fight to be on PPV and Rosado as an opponent would be a disgrace of a PPV. It would create a lot of negative views towards the event.
- Has heard rumors of Canelo vs. Lemieux, doubts it happens since Lemieux was crushed by GGG. Not a PPV title fight worthy, right after Lemieux lost with that same opportunity.
- Canelo vs. Bradley has been talked about for May. Teddy Atlas doesn't want Bradley to take that fight.
- Fan said he talked to Monroe Jr. and he said he is trying to fight Canelo or Lemieux next. Canelo not likely as it won't sell as a PPV. Lemieux is very possible as an undercard fight.
- Donaire likely defends his title vs. Gradovich in April.
- Kovalev likely dispatches Pascal quicker than the first fight.
- If Kovalev actually was able to schedule Pascal, Stevenson, and Ward in 2016 and win all 3 fights it would be one of the greatest years ever for a fighter.
- Ricardo Lopez vs. Chocolatito? Lopez.
- Most disappointing fighter of the year? JCC, Pacquiao (losing and shoulder excuses), Klitschko, Stevenson (lack of real opponents).
- Sore loser of the year? Cotto, Pacquiao.
- Ortiz vs. Stiverne would be a fun fight.
- Wilder's camp will run like Forrest Gump did across the country to stay away from Ortiz.
- It is confusing how Ortiz got an interim title fight so quickly after testing positive for PED's, but he did serve his suspension.
- Ortiz vs. Joshua? Joshua is not ready for the fight yet.
- A double header of Crawford and Verdejo in NY is being discussed.
- Arum has said he would match Crawford vs. Postol, but doubts it is Crawford's next fight.
- Hearing Herrera vs. Provodnikov is being discussed for early 2016.
- Cotto will not go back to 147.
- Valdez wins a title in 2016? Tough. He won't get to fight the PBC fighters at 126, that only leaves Lomachenko with a belt. He would be a huge underdog.
- Believes Porter vs. Thurman will happen in 2016 and it will be the next fight for both fighters.
- Broner vs. Pacquiao is not happening. Koncz and Broner have been talking which has led to the rumors. Koncz has no authority to make the match. Arum guarantees the money. Broner and Koncz can talk forever, but unless Arum decides to make the fight, it won't happen. Haymon + Arum = no fight.
- Fights in 2016 he wants: Kovalev-Stevenson, Canelo-GGG, Fury-Wlad 2 and the winner to face Wilder, Gonzalez-Estrada 2, Thurman-Porter, Lomachenko-LSC, Ortiz vs. any top HW (Stiverne is doable), Frampton-Quigg, Brook-Khan (Khan has been wasting valuable time and Brook needs to fight a top name eventually), Pacquiao-Crawford, Crawford-Postol.
- Has boxing ever had a Steve Harvey moment? Yes, many times. One he remembers was Stevie Johnston vs. Castillo in 2000. Johnston was announced the winner and crowd went crazy. Turned out they added up the cards wrong and it was actually a draw. Johnston went to Castillo's dressing room and gave him back the belt, which is how Castillo found out he retained the title.
- Eubank Jr. may eventually get a shot vs. Canelo or GGG, but not in the near future. He is the mandatory for Jacob's secondary title.
- It was disappointing to hear Jacobs say he didn't care if he was secondary champion, as long as people called him champion. His belt is secondary to GGG's and his is not a true championship belt.
- Eubank is the mandatory for Jacob's secondary WBA title, but Jacob's isn't the mandatory for GGG's legit WBA title...ahhh, the corrupt WBA.
- Tureano Johnson is likely next to fight GGG. He is his mandatory, a quality opponent, and willing to fight.
- Salido vs. Martinez 3 is supposed to happen, but no date yet.
- Martin is a decent opponent and could beat Glazkov, because Glazkov is well...Glazkov.
- Told Ward will return around March. Rumored opponent is Sullivan Barrera, but that fight is a long way from being made.
- Very possible Uchiyama comes to the US to fight Walters.
- Linares' next fight is supposed to be vs. his mandatory Zlatacainin. Very interesting fight.
- Walters vs. Sosa decision was not a bribery. Walters was the house fighter and him winning is more valuable.
- Recommending all fight fans to POLITELY write or contact the commission on the poor Walters-Sosa scoring.
- Letter from a chat fan who wrote in about Walters-Sosa: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CW7beAVWEAAkwrp.jpg
- Credit goes to the IBF for sticking to their rules and stripping Fury...but he has talked to them before that they need to tweak a few rules for cases like this.
- Most talented divisions? 147, 175, and 126.
- Roman Gonzalez wants to move up in weight sooner than later. So if he were to fight Inoue, it likely would take place at 115.
- Who has more PPV potential: Canelo or GGG? Canelo.
- Jack or DeGale vs. Abraham? Give both Jack and DeGale good chances to beat Abraham. Quality fights.
- Robert Hoyle is a nice guy, but his scorecards have been real questionable lately.
- Tom Schrek also had a bad card on Gonzalez-Shabranskyy.
- Does not know what Maidana's plans are. If he feels he has made enough money and doesn't need to fight, good for him.
- Under the radar great fights: Michael Brodie vs. Injin Chi fights from 2003 and 2004. Also, Morales-Chi.
- Has close to 4,000 boxing posters.
- Who will Billy Joe Saunders face next? The easiest stiff his handlers can get away with.
- Cunningham wants to go back down to CW.
- Showtime's January 16 card is solid.
- Better trilogy: Gatti-Ward or Morales-Barrera? Morales-Barrera.
- No word on James Kirkland.
- Hearing LSC could be back in February. No work on a LSC-Mares rematch.
- PBC needs to start matching their top guys for long-term success.
- Bernard Hopkins best win? Trinidad.
- Rosado wants Canelo next, doubts it happens. GB wants Canelo's May fight to be on PPV and Rosado as an opponent would be a disgrace of a PPV. It would create a lot of negative views towards the event.
- Has heard rumors of Canelo vs. Lemieux, doubts it happens since Lemieux was crushed by GGG. Not a PPV title fight worthy, right after Lemieux lost with that same opportunity.
- Canelo vs. Bradley has been talked about for May. Teddy Atlas doesn't want Bradley to take that fight.
- Fan said he talked to Monroe Jr. and he said he is trying to fight Canelo or Lemieux next. Canelo not likely as it won't sell as a PPV. Lemieux is very possible as an undercard fight.
- Donaire likely defends his title vs. Gradovich in April.
- Kovalev likely dispatches Pascal quicker than the first fight.
- If Kovalev actually was able to schedule Pascal, Stevenson, and Ward in 2016 and win all 3 fights it would be one of the greatest years ever for a fighter.
- Ricardo Lopez vs. Chocolatito? Lopez.
- Most disappointing fighter of the year? JCC, Pacquiao (losing and shoulder excuses), Klitschko, Stevenson (lack of real opponents).
- Sore loser of the year? Cotto, Pacquiao.
- Ortiz vs. Stiverne would be a fun fight.
- Wilder's camp will run like Forrest Gump did across the country to stay away from Ortiz.
- It is confusing how Ortiz got an interim title fight so quickly after testing positive for PED's, but he did serve his suspension.
- Ortiz vs. Joshua? Joshua is not ready for the fight yet.
- A double header of Crawford and Verdejo in NY is being discussed.
- Arum has said he would match Crawford vs. Postol, but doubts it is Crawford's next fight.
- Hearing Herrera vs. Provodnikov is being discussed for early 2016.
- Cotto will not go back to 147.
- Valdez wins a title in 2016? Tough. He won't get to fight the PBC fighters at 126, that only leaves Lomachenko with a belt. He would be a huge underdog.
- Believes Porter vs. Thurman will happen in 2016 and it will be the next fight for both fighters.
- Broner vs. Pacquiao is not happening. Koncz and Broner have been talking which has led to the rumors. Koncz has no authority to make the match. Arum guarantees the money. Broner and Koncz can talk forever, but unless Arum decides to make the fight, it won't happen. Haymon + Arum = no fight.
- Fights in 2016 he wants: Kovalev-Stevenson, Canelo-GGG, Fury-Wlad 2 and the winner to face Wilder, Gonzalez-Estrada 2, Thurman-Porter, Lomachenko-LSC, Ortiz vs. any top HW (Stiverne is doable), Frampton-Quigg, Brook-Khan (Khan has been wasting valuable time and Brook needs to fight a top name eventually), Pacquiao-Crawford, Crawford-Postol.
- Has boxing ever had a Steve Harvey moment? Yes, many times. One he remembers was Stevie Johnston vs. Castillo in 2000. Johnston was announced the winner and crowd went crazy. Turned out they added up the cards wrong and it was actually a draw. Johnston went to Castillo's dressing room and gave him back the belt, which is how Castillo found out he retained the title.
- Eubank Jr. may eventually get a shot vs. Canelo or GGG, but not in the near future. He is the mandatory for Jacob's secondary title.
- It was disappointing to hear Jacobs say he didn't care if he was secondary champion, as long as people called him champion. His belt is secondary to GGG's and his is not a true championship belt.
- Eubank is the mandatory for Jacob's secondary WBA title, but Jacob's isn't the mandatory for GGG's legit WBA title...ahhh, the corrupt WBA.
- Tureano Johnson is likely next to fight GGG. He is his mandatory, a quality opponent, and willing to fight.
- Salido vs. Martinez 3 is supposed to happen, but no date yet.
- Martin is a decent opponent and could beat Glazkov, because Glazkov is well...Glazkov.
- Told Ward will return around March. Rumored opponent is Sullivan Barrera, but that fight is a long way from being made.
- Very possible Uchiyama comes to the US to fight Walters.
- Linares' next fight is supposed to be vs. his mandatory Zlatacainin. Very interesting fight.
- Walters vs. Sosa decision was not a bribery. Walters was the house fighter and him winning is more valuable.
- Recommending all fight fans to POLITELY write or contact the commission on the poor Walters-Sosa scoring.
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(315) 361-7710(315) 361-7709
FAX ATTN: DANIEL J. GUSTAFSON, Executive Director/Commissioner,
daniel.gustafson@oneidagc.com
You can contact the head of the Oneida's at:
Mr. Arthur Raymond Halbritter
Nation Representative
The Oneida Indian Nation 2037
Dreamcatcher Plaza Oneida, NY 13421
Phone: (315) 829-8900
Fax: (315) 829-8958
Toll-free Phone: (800) 685-6115
Email: info@oneida-nation.org
- Credit goes to the IBF for sticking to their rules and stripping Fury...but he has talked to them before that they need to tweak a few rules for cases like this.
- Most talented divisions? 147, 175, and 126.
- Roman Gonzalez wants to move up in weight sooner than later. So if he were to fight Inoue, it likely would take place at 115.
- Who has more PPV potential: Canelo or GGG? Canelo.
- Jack or DeGale vs. Abraham? Give both Jack and DeGale good chances to beat Abraham. Quality fights.
- Robert Hoyle is a nice guy, but his scorecards have been real questionable lately.
- Tom Schrek also had a bad card on Gonzalez-Shabranskyy.
- Does not know what Maidana's plans are. If he feels he has made enough money and doesn't need to fight, good for him.
- Under the radar great fights: Michael Brodie vs. Injin Chi fights from 2003 and 2004. Also, Morales-Chi.
- Has close to 4,000 boxing posters.
- Who will Billy Joe Saunders face next? The easiest stiff his handlers can get away with.
- Cunningham wants to go back down to CW.
- Showtime's January 16 card is solid.
- Better trilogy: Gatti-Ward or Morales-Barrera? Morales-Barrera.
- No word on James Kirkland.
- Hearing LSC could be back in February. No work on a LSC-Mares rematch.
- PBC needs to start matching their top guys for long-term success.
- Bernard Hopkins best win? Trinidad.
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ChocolateGiddyUp
Superstar
You dismissed everything I said except the RING ranking
Again breh:
Edwin Rodriguez was 24-0, fighting against Ward in a Championship fight at a time when Ward was doing good rating numbers on HBO, and had his purse negotiated by his advisor....Al Haymon
Barrera is only 17-0 and is attempting to face Ward in a non-title bout in which Ward's ratings are still a TBD at this point on HBO
Not the same, because circumstances with SOG have changed since 2013 and after these BET numbers came out
I'm not saying Barrera should hold out for a million or get a million
Paul Smith jus got paid 250k on BET to fight Ward
HBO has to pay more then a 50k increase for a better undefeated opp on its network
I agree.
