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He bout to get stripped if he doesn't fight him, what are you talking about

With or without the WBC Championship, or any belt at all from an Alphabet Organization, Canelo will remain Lineal Middleweight Champion unless he loses to another Middleweight or moves to another division, because he beat Miguel Cotto.


Lineal Champion doesn't mean you are an IBF, WBA, WBC, or WBO Champion. You can be Lineal Champion aka "The Man" without holding a title.....you should know that as a Floyd stan:comeon:
 

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lol lets see how many legends will not be there




compare the events lmao

lmao at IBF, the greatest fighters in history for the most part never even held the belt and the ones they did were WBC champions too


You're missing the point just to prove a point. But again... you're not very smart.
 

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With or without the WBC Championship, or any belt at all from an Alphabet Organization, Canelo will remain Lineal Middleweight Champion unless he loses to another Middleweight or moves to another division, because he beat Miguel Cotto.


Lineal Champion doesn't mean you are an IBF, WBA, WBC, or WBO Champion. You can be Lineal Champion aka "The Man" without holding a title.....you should know that as a Floyd stan:comeon:


THANK YOU BRUH!!!!!!!!!!

Lineal is another way to say that you're The Best and you beat the best to get there. It's a cotdamn theory. Only guy in recent history to turn that theory into fact is Hop when he unified the MW division which made him...









UNDISPUTED!!!! :gladbron:
 

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Tyson gonna have to drop a belt so his cousin can get one anyways.
 

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Fight Picks: Daniel Jacobs vs. Peter Quillin



Daniel Jacobs and Peter Quillin will meet at middleweight in the “Battle of Brooklyn” on Saturday. The eagerly anticipated encounter takes place at Barclays Center and airs live on Showtime at 9:00 p.m. ET/PT.

http://www.sho.com/sho/video/titles/40639/all-access-jacobs-vs-quillin—full-episode

With local bragging rights on the line, it’s a fight neither can afford to lose. At the press conference to announce the fight, both had strong words for the other.

“This is a big opportunity for me,” said Jacobs. “This is a big opportunity for Brooklyn. It could not have happened at a better time. I’ve been calling (Quillin) out for two years but it had to take that time to build and for our careers to blossom.”

“This fight means everything to me,” said Quillin. “It’s two guys for the Battle of Brooklyn. We are both going to have great support in the building and this fight will really inspire people.”

Jacobs (30-1, 27 knockouts) and Quillin (32-0-1, 23 KOs) are both known for their power. Both have been on the canvas and, in recent fights (Jacobs versus Sergio Mora in his last fight and when Quillin faced Andy Lee in April), both men were able to get off the canvas (and win, in Jacobs case, while Quillin drew). It will be interesting to see who can take the other’s power; whomever does will likely win the fight.

The bout is widely thought of as a 50/50 fight; however, our experts firmly believe the scales will tip in one man’s favor.

Online gambling group bet365.com lists Quillin as a slight favorite at 4/6 (-150), while Jacobs is priced at 6/5 (+120).

RingTV.com asked 15 boxing insiders for their picks:

Antoine Douglas, middleweight contender

Peter Quillin to defeat Daniel Jacobs: It’s a toss-up, I think it’s 50/50; Quillin is strong and so is Jacobs, who’s also crafty. Both have power. I think it’s evenly matched competition between the two. I would probably say Quillin.

Norm Frauenheim, The Ring/
15rounds.com

Daniel Jacobs UD 12 Peter Quillin: Quillin figures to test Jacobs often and early with his power and aggressiveness. A knockdown wouldn’t be a surprise.


But Jacobs has shown resilience throughout his career and life. He knows how to adjust, especially with an ability to throw on the move and from angles. In the end, that will be enough for him to win on the scorecards.

Doug Fischer, RingTV.com editor

Peter Quillin KO Daniel Jacobs: I think it’s an even matchup, really. I think they match up well, kinda like one fighter is strong where the other fighter is not so strong. I think Daniel Jacobs has the edge in his amateur background, which gives him advantages in some ways and I think he’s the more polished boxer, I think he has the better technique and probably the faster hands. They’re both good athletes but Quillin has the physical strength and the punching power, although Jacobs can punch a little bit himself.


So I think it’s a fight where Peter Quillin is gonna have a lot of problems with the speed and movement and technique of Jacobs early on. In fact, I think Jacobs outclasses Quillin over the first five or six rounds and I wouldn’t be surprised if he drops Quillin because Quillin swings kinda wide and his balance is not the best, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Quillin tastes canvas even if it’s a flash knockdown. I think Jacobs can catch Quillin between those wide power shots but I think Quillin will get up if he goes down. Even if he’s frustrated, he’ll try to impose himself on Jacobs and I think, gradually, over the second half of the bout, he will reach Jacobs and I think Jacobs is a bit chinny, so I think (Quillin) hurts him and stops him late. (Quillin) might be trailing on the scorecards though. Quillin by late stoppage.


Jeffrey Freeman, KODigest.TV

Peter Quillin KO Danny Jacobs: I don’t know exactly what round the knockout is going to come in Brooklyn on December 5 but when it does come, it will be Danny “Needs A Miracle, Man” Jacobs on the canvas and Peter Quillin celebrating a victory. Jacobs simply lacks the chin and the temperament to deal with the animalistic “Kid Chocolate,” even if they’re friendly cats outside the ring. Quillin just hits too hard for Jacobs, a fragile fighter who was recently dropped by the feather-fisted Sergio Mora before Mora’s ankle gave out. Jacobs will suffer flashbacks to the Dmitry Pirog disaster in 2010 when Quillin finishes off his buddy with a right hand in, let’s say, the fifth round.

Tom Gray, RingTV.com

Peter Quillin UD12 Daniel Jacobs: I’m going to take a chance on a motivated Quillin winning the Battle of Brooklyn.

“Kid Chocolate” has been in against the superior opposition and, should he run into something big, his recuperative powers look very reliable. This one has the ingredients to be a terrific fight, no matter who prevails, and I think we’ll see 12 rounds of quality combat.

Lee Groves, RingTV.com

Daniel Jacobs PTS 12 Peter Quillin: I’m expecting a tense, low-output encounter in which Jacobs will use his height and reach to establish his jab, which has been better than Quillin’s as of late, as well as exploit Quillin’s looser defense, which I think is the trait that separates the two in an otherwise closely-contested match. Jacobs knows Quillin has a huge punch and I think he’ll be smart enough to take what is given to him and nothing more.

Tom Loeffler, managing director of K2 Promotions, which promotes IBF/WBA middleweight titlist Gennady Golovkin

It’s a great fight between two world-class fighters, hard to pick a winner as it really depends on how their styles match up on that night. I see a close hard fight that goes the distance. Whoever wins would be a great match up for “GGG” next year.

Sergio Mora, middleweight contender

Peter Quillin KO Daniel Jacobs: Both of ’em are hard punchers; both are big middleweights. I think Peter Quillin is gonna be the even bigger middleweight, which is rare, because Jacobs is a big strong middleweight but Quillin is kinda like a light heavyweight coming down to middleweight.

I think the size and heavier punches are gonna be from Quillin. Both of them have flawed defenses and technique, so, when they punch, they leave themselves open. I can actually see both fighters getting hurt in this fight, which would turn out be a fight similar to when I fought Jacobs – that’s exciting for the fans. The only difference is Peter Quillin, I think, takes a better punch. I think he has a great trainer in Eric Brown and is going to come with a great strategy and game plan. I don’t see it going the distance, I think maybe a late stoppage by Peter Quillin in a fight Jacobs is not losing by much but he’s gonna end up getting caught and hurt and I think maybe stopped.

Diego Morilla, XNSports.com, RingTV.com, HBO.com

Peter Quillin W12 Daniel Jacobs: It is a very close fight on paper and it will live up to the expectations. Both fighters are equally skilled and both are proven at this weight but, in terms of resilience and power, the advantage goes to Quillin by a meaningful margin. Kid Chocolate is the one who has faced the strongest, most powerful opponents so far, and his results have been impressive, for the most part. If Jacobs can establish his distance and his speed, he has a chance. But if Quillin is able to turn this into a fight, he’ll score a decisive win by decision or late stoppage.

John J. Raspanti, Maxboxing.com/Doghouseboxing.com/Ringside Boxing Show

Peter Quillin TKO 9 Daniel Jacobs: I have to go with Peter Quillin for two reasons. Talent and whiskers.


Quillin has also been in with the better fighters during his 10-year career. He showed a strong chin against Andy Lee seven months ago.

Cancer survivor Daniel Jacobs is a great guy but looked vulnerable against Sergio Mora in his last fight.

If the feather-fisted “Latin Snake” can knock him down, Quillin, with 23 KOs, can stop him.

Salvador Rodriguez, ESPN Deportes

Peter Quillin PTS Daniel Jacobs: Peter Quillin by decision. The experience and tough position could give Kid Chocolate the victory!

Cliff Rold, BoxingScene.com

Peter Quillin KO Daniel Jacobs: Both guys have been on the deck recently. Quillin didn’t get put there by Sergio Mora. Factor in Qullin’s superior power and this seems like “Kid Chocolate’s” fight to lose.

Mark Tibbs, trainer of middleweight contender Billy Joe Saunders

Daniel Jacobs KO Peter Quillin: I’d go with Jacobs by KO, brings more variety to the table for me, although I hope he’s a tad sharper than Quillin.

Dominic Verdin, RingTV.com

Daniel Jacobs PTS 12 Peter Quillin: Danny Jacobs has all the physical gifts, speed, power, great all-around boxing skills. However, his chin is highly suspect and Peter Quillin can punch.

I can see Jacobs taking control from the opening round. Administering a boxing lesson for the majority of the fight. Somewhere around the 10th round, Quillin will rally late, giving the impression that he could very well pull off the upset. Jacobs will hit the canvas in rounds 11 and 12 but it won’t be enough. Jacobs will survive a close one, taking a razor-thin decision.

Michael Woods, RingTV.com and editor of NYFights.com

Peter Quillin to defeat Daniel Jacobs: Coin flip fight, I love ’em. Two youngish guns, both with explosivity and athleticism. Jacobs maybe has mental edge as Quillin has been talking like a boxer/businessman last two years. But Sergio Mora sent Jacobs to the mat last fight and Quillin fought a part timer in Michael Zerafa. Leaning toward Quillin, without massive conviction.

Final tally: 10-4 (and one undecided) in favor of Peter Quillin to win Saturday’s middleweight showdown with Daniel Jacobs.

 

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I don't think Quillin fights him again and since Kronk is basically a free agent, I think he will take his talents where the money is.

i know Lee has mentioned he wants to rumble with GGG..so if he gets by Saunders (and GGG beats or bypasses his IBF mandatory)..they should make it happen
 
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Why cant you seem to understand that Lineal and WBC dont directly have anything to do with each other?? Even if Cotto is stripped he still is Lineal.. Same way Barrera was still lineal when he fought Pacquiao even though he told WBC to fukk off and tossed the strap in the bushes

He can't be the lineal because Cotto wasn't a champion

it's a paper title, he's not the real lineal champ
 

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i know Lee has mentioned he wants to rumble with GGG..so if he gets by Saunders (and GGG beats or bypasses his IBF mandatory)..they should make it happen
My fear for GGG is that PBC will offer more money to try and get the winner back on their network and bet on Quillin (assuming he wins) to get his belt back. If PBC doesnt do that, Quillin's other opponents arent nearly as good.

Still hoping for all these boys to scrap. Lee, Saunders, Quillin, and Jacobs arguably are the next 4 best MW's after Canelo and GGG. Would love to see GGG fight the winner of both fights if Canelo isnt ready to get down. Not likely, but I can dream.
 

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He can't be the lineal because Cotto wasn't a champion

it's a paper title, he's not the real lineal champ
Was Cotto strip yes or no

and Golovkin was already the interim champ prior

why is canelo about to strip

because he heas to fight golovin to legitimize his belt

his lineal title is pure golden boy fukkery


looks at avater, smh stans



Bruh.......you in the REAL knowledgeable thread, not a random thread in The Ring filled with half-casual/half-hardcore fans of Boxing...we the real deal in here, and you're still arguing in here instead of trying to learn?:dahell:



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Was Cotto strip yes or no

Yes

why is canelo about to strip

Link?

because he heas to fight golovin to legitimize his belt

his lineal title is pure golden boy fukkery

THE LINEAL TITLE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE WBC BELT. How many times do you have to be told??

So, to reiterate my previous point:

STOP STINKING UP THIS THREAD WITH YOUR IGNORANCE YOU STUPID c*nt :camby::camby::camby::camby::camby:
 
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Was Cotto strip yes or no

and Golovkin already the interim champ prior

why is canelo about to strip

because he heas to fight golovin to legitimize his belt

his lineal title is pure golden boy fukkery


looks at avater, smh stans
Lineal champ has nothing to do with a belt. Belts get passed around, stripped, dropped, but the lineal title is only through weight division heritage.

Technically the first man to be champ is the lineal champ and you only get the title of lineal champ if you beat the lineal champ.

No belts needed.

Hopkins cleaned up the division and was the true lineal champ. His lineage passed it to Cotto. Cotto dropped his belt, but the fight still took place at MW. He passed the lineal title to Canelo. Had Cotto won he would have still lost his belt, but he would have retained being lineal champ.

Canelo could drop his belt and GGG could get his belt and he could beat Lee-Saunders and be unified champ, but he isnt lineal champ until he beats Canelo.

Look at why Canelo didnt want to fight for a belt at 154...it was because Mayweather was the man at 154, so he knew any belt he won was worthless. I am not a Canelo fan, but I respect him because he respects the history of boxing.

Also look at Fury saying he would drop the IBF belt if he had to face Glazkov. He didnt care about the belt, because he will always be lineal champ until someone beats him. Doesnt matter if Wilder's belt is more "prestigious". Klitschko held the historical lineal history title (man who beat the man who beat the man).

There is no actual belt for being lineal champ. Lineal champ is only accomplished by tracing the historical roots. Think like tracing your family tree or a purebred animals pedigree.
Being lineal champ is far more prestigious than a organizations belt. There is no politics in lineal history. You only get recognized when you beat the guy who holds the divisions true historical #1.
 
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