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Crawford hasn't fought anybody man.

I don't even bother anymore, because boxing fans are so quick to believe into the hype before they have faced a top tier guy.

Top Rank is terrific at making fighters look good.

Once he faces a top guy, maybe I'll be convinced, but I never buy into any kind of hype if you haven't faced what I view as a top guy.

Gamboa? Burns? Beltran? Dulorme?

All were Top 10 RING ranked opponents at the time of their fights, all 4 were defeated:yeshrug:
 
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Crawford hasn't fought anybody man.

I don't even bother anymore, because boxing fans are so quick to believe into the hype before they have faced a top tier guy.

Top Rank is terrific at making fighters look good.

Once he faces a top guy, maybe I'll be convinced, but I never buy into any kind of hype if you haven't faced what I view as a top guy.
Another prime example. Loma had to force their hand with his career. But look at what they're doing w Valdez to build him up.
 

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who do you believe beats him at 140?

I can't really answer that right now.

It's hard for me to evaluate a guy when he's placed in fights where he's suppose to look good.

No doubt he's a good fighter, but you combine that along with TR's terrific matchmaking and you are going to look good.

It's the usual boxing routine. These guys start out matched great. Once these guys step up, the KO's stop coming & they don't look as dominating. Fans start to say this ______________ boxer was always overrated. It's the same cycle.

All I am saying is I base my opinion on a fighter based on who they beat before I buy into any hype. Newz is not gonna really sell me on those opponents he listed.

So to answer your question, I just need to see him with a top 140 lb guy. I will know more then. Beating Jean Dierry doesn't really tell me anything. It was another predictable outcome.
 

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I can't really answer that right now.

It's hard for me to evaluate a guy when he's placed in fights where he's suppose to look good.

No doubt he's a good fighter, but you combine that along with TR's terrific matchmaking and you are going to look good.

It's the usual boxing routine. These guys start out matched great. Once these guys step up, the KO's stop coming & they don't look as dominating. Fans start to say this ______________ boxer was always overrated. It's the same cycle.

All I am saying is I base my opinion on a fighter based on who they beat before I buy into any hype. Newz is not gonna really sell me on those opponents he listed.

So to answer your question, I just need to see him with a top 140 lb guy. I will know more then. Beating Jean Dierry doesn't really tell me anything. It was another predictable outcome.


okay pac might not pick Crawford but viktor postol will be next if he takes Crawford.

hes coming off a ko over lucas. if Crawford beats postol is that a good win?

I guess that depends if u ever thought lucas was any good.
 

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okay pac might not pick Crawford but viktor postol will be next if he takes Crawford.

hes coming off a ko over lucas. if Crawford beats postol is that a good win?

I guess that depends if u ever thought lucas was any good.

Absolutely

The landscape of 140 has really changed. The usual suspects (Danny Garcia, Lucas Matthyssee, Lamont Peterson, etc) have either moved on or completely fallen off.

Postol has managed to emerge as one of the better fighters at 140 at the moment.

If Crawford wins a fight like that even if he struggles in spots I view it as a real good win. That is when he will start to get more of my attention & I will start to think about how he would do in future fights more seriously.

I gotta just make you aware this isn't even a Crawford thing. This is my point of view of boxing in general. I just don't fall into the matchmaking hype. Let me think of a name to throw out there. Let's just say it can take me years to be sold on a fighter. It took me years just to be sold on Cotto when he was coming up. I'm like this nygga is getting rocked by Corley, rocked by Torres. Looking back, a lot of his problems was draining down to 140. It gave him a huge advantage, but he was very chinny back then. Surprisingly, it wasn't until he lost to Margarito. That's the fight I became sold on him. I had predicted Tony to win the fight despite Cotto being the favorite. The way he was just outboxing the shyt out of him in those early rounds was when I was like "alright this nygga is nice."

So that just shows that you don't even have to necessarily win the fight for me to become sold on you. It's all about who you are fighting. Hell Crawford can take a fight & lose & I may come away impressed, because he may have showed certain things in the fight that I liked.
 

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All c level fighters IMO.
I'd say gamboa is a solid B+ fighter. He's the only fighter in recent memory aside from Mickey who easily beat salido (even tho he got dropped). Ain't no c level fighter doing that.

And even tho Mickey was up wide on the cards against salido, he was slowing down and getting hit more. There's a reason Robert really pushed for a tech decision in that fight.
 

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Didnt hear until today that David Haye was making a come back :myman:


Tyson Fury gonna get that work :ufdup:
 

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I'd say gamboa is a solid B+ fighter. He's the only fighter in recent memory aside from Mickey who easily beat salido (even tho he got dropped). Ain't no c level fighter doing that.

And even tho Mickey was up wide on the cards against salido, he was slowing down and getting hit more. There's a reason Robert really pushed for a tech decision in that fight.
At 135 gamboa is a c level fighter
 

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At 135 gamboa is a c level fighter
he's small for that weight, but not less talented...cant forget he was looking good against crawford early until crawford adjusted. even after that he still managed to hurt him bad. i just cant call gamboa a c level fighter. dude can still be great, he just needs to be more active and fighting at 130.
 

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Nah, I don't view Paul Williams as a guy he ducked.

If Paul would have stayed at 147, maybe you would have an argument.

After Paul avenged his lost to Quintana, he moved up. He never fought at WW again. So he's fighting at 154/160, but yet welterweights are ducking him when your in a different weight class?

I personally feel he was done at 147 & was only willing to go through that grind of making weight for the right fight. You have to be able to see through the bullshyt in boxing. Paul along with everyone else wanted the Mayweather fight, so of course he was gonna be marketed as a guy WW that can't get a fight at WW.

When him & Clottey where going back & forth about a potential fight, Team Williams wanted the fight at 154. Clottey was clearly fighting at WW at the time.

It would be like Keith Thurman just moving up to 154, but yet saying WW's are ducking him. You just gotta keep fighting at your weight. An opportunity will come & when it does come, you have to take advantage of it.
that was back in 08 where we had prime cotto, pwill, and margs at 147. paul obviously wouldve stayed there for floyd, but floyd chose not to fight at all in 08 and came back pretty much when the dust was settling. he couldve fought either of those guys that year since they were all hbo fighters.
 

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he's small for that weight, but not less talented...cant forget he was looking good against crawford early until crawford adjusted. even after that he still managed to hurt him bad. i just cant call gamboa a c level fighter. dude can still be great, he just needs to be more active and fighting at 130.
I digress but either way it was good matchup but Bob has handled t craw poorly at 140
 
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