Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[Jello Biafra]

Why are pacquaio and roach so hesitant tho

I know they ain't ducking another African American boxer...

Why would they choose Crawford for what is supposed to be Pacquiao's final fight?

 

[seemorecizzy]

Why would they choose Crawford for what is supposed to be Pacquiao's final fight?

whats wrong with crawford?
khan fight isnt gonna happen cause khan don't know how to shut up
marquez or floyd aint happenning
arum loves making IN-house fights
crawford is top rank

 

[Jello Biafra]

whats wrong with crawford?
khan fight isnt gonna happen cause khan don't know how to shut up
marquez or floyd aint happenning
arum loves making IN-house fights
crawford is top rank

Nothing is wrong with Crawford as a fighter. I actually am a fan.
However Crawford is a high risk low reward opponent for what is supposed to be a retirement fight.
Khan is a bigger name and would bring more money and attention especially internationally.
Fighting Crawford makes zero business sense and would only serve to benefit Crawford, Arum and Top Rank.
And I have no interest in seeing Pacquiao in the ring with Marquez or Floyd again.

 

[Big Boss]

Why are pacquaio and roach so hesitant tho

I know they ain't ducking another African American boxer...

Naw I think manny/roach wants the floyd rematch for obvious reasons.


revenge and huge payday.


I can't blame them, I would try and do the samething

 

[seemorecizzy]

Nothing is wrong with Crawford as a fighter. I actually am a fan.
However Crawford is a high risk low reward opponent for what is supposed to be a retirement fight.
Khan is a bigger name and would bring more money and attention especially internationally.
Fighting Crawford makes zero business sense and would only serve to benefit Crawford, Arum and Top Rank.
And I have no interest in seeing Pacquiao in the ring with Marquez or Floyd again.

This is all truth

I think on a personal level I just him to fight Crawford and retire with another L

 

[seemorecizzy]

Naw I think manny/roach wants the floyd rematch for obvious reasons.


revenge and huge payday.


I can't blame them, I would try and do the samething

Yeah but it isn't gonna happen

 

[krackdagawd]

the nerve of fat Dan and team 97g talking about pbc match ups after all the struggle fights they have hyped up for :shookboy: this year.

 

[GzUp]

Why would they choose Crawford for what is supposed to be Pacquiao's final fight?

My guess is to make him a star with a win over manny.. I just don't see him beating Manny though.

 

[Jello Biafra]

My guess is to make him a star with a win over manny.. I just don't see him beating Manny though.

I was talking about Manny's camp...I know what Arum wants to make the fight but there is no good reason why Team Pacquiao would be interested.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Dan Rafael chat wrap 10/30:
- The Canelo/Cotto winner will have the negotiating advantage vs. GGG in their mandatory fight, however if GGG's side doesn't want to agree to anything they can just let the fight go to a purse bid and Canelo/Cotto's negotiation demands won't matter. In a purse bid GGG would likely get 40-45% of the purse split, because he is interim champion.

yea that's gonna work

:WadeROFL:

 

[#SOG_soldier]

hes blaming the porter loss on living in the fast lane and says it should have been a easy fight lol

he aint lying if he threw a constant jab he would have won.


he wasnt outboxed, outfought, or outsmarted. just purely outworked

 

[Knicksman20]

http://www.boxingscene.com/team-porter-confirm-keith-thurman-fight-happen--97575



"It won't happen on December 12th as expected, but the welterweight battle between WBA 'regular champion Keith Thurman (26-0, 22KOs) and former IBF beltholder Shawn Porter (26-1-1, 16KOs) looks like it's going to happen.

"We got a fight with Keith Thurman," stated Kenny Porter, the father/trainer/manager of Shawn, to BoxingScene.com

"The network and the actual venue are not being released today - but we have a fight with Keith Thurman and that will be happening within the next eight-to-ten weeks. We have a definite fight and I got that from the top, today. But we have a fight."

By 'top', Porter is referencing one Al Haymon, who represents both fighters, who are under the Premier Boxing Champions umbrella.

"I got another call wanting to send a film crew for Shawn for a 24/7-type thing leading up to the fight," explained Kenny, who's son defeated Adrien Broner on June 20th in Las Vegas.

As for the exact date of the fight, it's not clear, but it looks like it will take place after 2015 passes.

"Beginning of January, that's what I think is going on right there," Porter tells BoxingScene.com.

"The MGM Grand was already booked for December the 12th. I don't know was going on as far as San Antonio. I don't think they were feeling San Antonio as much as they were New York or Las Vegas. I did get confirmation this afternoon we are definitely moving forward that Shawn should be getting into his camp, which we already have for a number of weeks."

 

[seemorecizzy]

we bout to face our 2nd hall of famer(won't include mosley), and these clown ass shookboys really tryin to talk shyt. canelo faced the GOAT of this era. a master boxer who was ALL wrong for his style. most people said he would get a boxing lesson and that's exactly what happened. but fukk it though...he kept it movin and got better. then after he fought floyd it was "oh yea, he took floyd for the money, he won't fight lara though".....he took the fight, won, and shut everybody up. he coulda easily avoided lara and took the easy road but he manned the fukk up. golovkin has the opportunity to do the same shyt by fighting andre ward....a master boxer who will actually test him...but nah....he wants to keep runnin like a bytch so he can keep up this "boogeyman" gimmick. canelo has done nothing but take risks....he's gonna be in another 50/50 fight in 3 weeks against one of the best fighters of our generation....don't even talk to me about no fukkin 97G. forget andre ward, this bytchboy won't even fight lara who canelo already beat. him and his team are terrified to see his boxing ability get exposed in any way. fukkin frauds.

This is like a napalm bomb explosion of truth
Got Damn bro

 

[Axum Ezana]

 

[Axum Ezana]

The monster middleweight with magic in his fists – and murder in his heart


Some boxing promoters will tell you that, like love, the best matches are made in heaven but it is more likely to be over the phone, a meal or a chance encounter.

For me, the best matches are always made in the mind, usually when I am having trouble nodding off at night and I lie back and think of great fights I would love to have witnessed if only they could have been put together had they not been separated by eras.

There’s Muhammad Ali vi Joe Louis (or Ali v Mike Tyson); Sugar Ray Robinson v Sugar Ray Leonard; Joe Frazier v Rocky Marciano; Julio Cesar Chavez v Roberto Duran; Floyd Mayweather jnr v Emile Griffith; Manny Pacquiao v Pipino Cuevas.

Actually such mouth-watering pairings would hardly send you to sleep – they’d keep you wide awake!

However the fight of my dreams at the moment features two monster middleweights – Gennady Golovkin and Carlos Monzon.


Like so many others, I am a committed fan of the chillingly destructive Kazakh who is now the dominant force in world boxing. Pitting him against the equally ruthless but more skilfully calculating Argentinian –even in the imagination – brings shivers of anticipation. If only…

But there is more to it than that. For boxing’s history is littered with tragedies, far more outside the ropes than inside them, from the still unexplained suspicious deaths of Freddie Mills, Sonny Liston and Arturo Gatti, the murders, by shooting, stabbing or bludgeoning of Stanley Ketchel, Battlling Siki, Jackie Paterson, Oscar Bonavena, Vernon Forrest and Alexis Arguello, through to the suicides of Randolph Turpin and latterly Darren Sutherland.

Other luminaries, who met violent endings in car or other accidents have included Jack Johnson, Rocky Marciano, Salvador Sanchez, Victor Galindez and Zora Folley.

But there can be no doubt that the most tragic episode in sport was that featuring the man who was to prove even more of a monster out of the ring than he was inside it.

Unquestionably Carlos Monzon is the finest fighter ever produced in Argentina and one of the greatest middleweights of all time, arguably second only to Sugar Ray Robinson with Marvin Hagler and now Golovkin right up there in the mix of the mighty.

Monzon also is one of boxing’s most shocking stories: A kid from the slums of Santa Fe who became the toast of the boxing world only to end up in prison for murder and then dead as the result of a car accident.

But 45 years after his greatest triumph – the day he stopped Italian idol Nino Benvenuti to win the title on November 7, 1970 – his legend lives on.

In Argentina Monzon remains bracketed with Diego Maradona and Formula 1 legend Juan Manuel Fangio as a national icon, despite the frighteningly darker side of his persona.

Angelo Dundee described him as “the complete fighter.” Yet he fought only once in America, otherwise plying his trade in South America and Europe.

At a tad under six feet he was tall for a middleweight, and his style could be prosaic at times. But boy, could he punch with a right hand which bored holes in his opponents’ guards after his usual a couple of exploratory rounds. He never stopped anyone in the first.

Monzon was a master at controlling the ring with either his piercing right hand or darting left jab.

In one eight-year stretch, he was unbeaten in 60 bouts, defeating the best available opposition and for seven years was the undisputed world middleweight champion. He avenged every one of his early three losses, and retired as champion after 101 fights (winning 58 by ko) while on an 82-bout unbeaten streak that spanned 12 years.

When he acquired the title in Rome he methodically wore Benvenuti down and knocked him out with a crushing right in the 12th round. The Italian demanded a rematch but was summarily dispatched in three rounds in the return in Monte Carlo.

Monzon’s 14 successful defences included two wins over five time world champion Emile Griffith, stopping him in 14 rounds in September 1971 and outscoring him two years later.

While he had none of the pizzazz of either of the Sugar Rays, Robinson and Leonard, or the fan-friendly appeal of Golovkin, the latter-day smiling assassin, he was as formidable a piece of fighting machinery: cool under pressure, expressionless and cunning with his delivery of punches that were fired straight and true as they efficiently dismantled the opposition.

His title-winning performance against Benvenuti was voted Fight of the Year for 1970 by Ring Magazine.

But outside the ring he led a disturbingly violent life. For the last five years of his career Monzon fought with a bullet lodged in his left shoulder blade, the result of being shot twice during an argument with a former spouse.

He was known to be physically abusive to women and had spent some time in jail after a brawl and for possessing a gun.

Yet for that latter part of his career he was most famous and feted man in Argentina, though mainly resident in France where he was the toast of Parisian nightclubs.

On Christmas and other special occasions, he returned to Argentina to fill up a truck with toys to distribute to children of the village where he was born.

He ended his career with two close decisions over Colombian Rodrigo Valdez. A month after beating Valdez in Monte Carlo for the second time, a bout in which he was briefly knocked off his feet for the first time in his career, Monzon announced his retirement in August 1977. He said: “After the bout I looked in the mirror and said to myself ‘Monzon was never floored before. Monzon is a great champion. He must always be remembered as a great champion.’ So I quit.”

Alas, his life took its darkest twist in 1988 when, at 46, he was convicted of strangling his estranged second wife Alicia Muniz into unconsciousness in a jealous rage and then throwing her off a balcony to her death from a second-story apartment in the beach resort of Mar del Plata.

Monzon ‘s arrested and trial set off a media frenzy that had Argentina riveted to a similar degree as that of O J Simpson in America six years later.

He maintained his innocence but an autopsy indicated that Muniz had been strangled before she went over the balcony. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to 11 years in prison.

Six years later, Monzon, too, was dead, at 52. He had been given a weekend’s leave from jail for good behaviour and was returning to Las Flores jail by car on the evening of January 8, 1995 when he lost control of the vehicle. It rolled several times and Monzon and a fellow passenger died instantly.

So ended the troubled life of a great middleweight champion who had magic in his fists, but murder in his heart.