charknicks
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I'm pretty sure the reason the Thurman fight isn't Dec 12 is because of the Aldo/McGregor UFC fight the same night. Don't want to waste a big boxing fight against the biggest UFC fight available. Smart move.
Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.
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Dan Rafael chat wrap 10/30:
- GGG vs. Tureano is just speculation. It certainly is possible because he is GGG's mandatory, but nothing will happen until 10 days after the Cotto-Canelo fight, because that is the deadline when the winner has to decide whether to go into negotiations vs. GGG or vacate the belt.
- The Canelo/Cotto winner will have the negotiating advantage vs. GGG in their mandatory fight, however if GGG's side doesn't want to agree to anything they can just let the fight go to a purse bid and Canelo/Cotto's negotiation demands won't matter. In a purse bid GGG would likely get 40-45% of the purse split, because he is interim champion.
- According to CompuBox, GGG is one of the better defensive fighters they have ever tracked.
- RJJ is not tarnishing his legacy, but would like to see him retire.
- Manny and Floyd are absolutely not negotiating.
- One of the hallmark criticisms people point to in Floyd's career is many of his best opponents were not in their prime.
- Chances Crawford-Pacquiao happens? 50/50 right now. Arum wants it, but not sure Freddie/Pacquiao/Koncz want it.
- Crawford said if he can't fight Pacquiao, he would like to fight Postol. Personally does not think this happens immediately as the demand is low and no real money in it yet.
- Will GGG ever fight Ward? Possibly, but it would be a few years from now.
- Roman Gonzalez might get to headline his own card if he does a rematch with Estrada.
- PBC is planning to still have a Dec. 12 card (with Porter-Thurman being moved). No details yet.
- Thurman backing out is untrue, from what he has heard. His sources tell him Thurman-Porter will be on Jan. 23 to be the first main event on the new Fox prime time show.
- Peter Nelson (VP of HBO Sports) is viewed as a potential replacement for Hershman, as he is a major figure in the current HBO boxing business.
- Overall Hershman did a good job at HBO. The last 2 years for HBO boxing has probably been the "smoothest sailing" ever.
- Hershman told him he had been thinking about moving on for the past few months and by leaving at the end of the year most of the things he was working on are in action, and HBO can easily move forward without him.
- If Nelson gets promoted, does not see any change between HBO and PBC. They are still rivals/enemies.
- Who he voted for the boxing HOF (3 votes): Camacho, Vasquez Sr., and Genaro Hernandez (best 130 pounder in the 90's).
- Buy or sell Rios vs. Bradley becomes a brawl? Buy.
- Crawford and Bradley are good friends and Crawford said he would not fight him.
- Loves the Jennings vs. Ortiz fight and believes the winner would absolutely give Wilder some problems.
- Glowacki vs. Huck is his current FOTY. No talks of a rematch.
- Rosado vs. Clottey will be at 158.
- As long as Ward and Kovalev keep winning, Ward vs. Kovalev is a lock to happen. They have contracts in place agreeing to fight (HBO learned their lesson from Stevenson-Kovalev).
- Showtime is working on a deal to put Ruslan's fight on ShoExtreme.
- Picking Povetkin to beat Wach. Details are not finalized, but fight likely only available in the US via internet PPV.
- HBO was interested in televising Lemieux-N'Dam, but they did not have an immediate opening in their schedule and the IBF had given GB a deadline to make the fight happen.
- The Gonzalez vs. Shabranskyy fight will be a fun one.
- Did not score Peterson vs. Diaz, but thought just from watching it Diaz probably won.
- The Charlo and Spence card is very poor. PBC has lots of good opponents they could face, yet put them in against nobodies who have only fought nobodies.
- PBC has not even scraped the surface of all the good matchups they could make. Not sure why they haven't started pushing for better fights.
- Grade for PBC fight schedule in 2015? B-.
- Arthur Abraham for the HOF? He could see it, but doesn't think so.
- Abraham has had a better career than Sturm.
- Sadam Ali's career is run by his father and he knows nothing about the boxing business. He could have taken 100k step aside money, but they decided not to.
- Worst cuts he has seen? Vitali's eye vs. Lennox and Lujan's ear vs. Margarito. Add Barrios' hanging lip.
- Yunieski Gonzalez is more likely an opponent for Ward than Kovalev, as Kovalev will likely have to face a mandatory next year.
- If Canelo can keep making a lower weight he should keep doing it and use it to his advantage, rather than jump to MW if he doesn't want to.
- Does not care who Adonis faces next because his recent competition is a pathetic joke. Would enjoy like a Fonfara rematch.
- Believes that Floyd may have taken more risks when picking opponents had he lost earlier in his career.
- Biggest robbery he has witnessed in person (besides Pacquiao-Bradley 1)? Casamayor-Santa Cruz.
- Hatton vs. Erik Morales? Hatton.
- Canelo is everything you want in a fighter. He sells tickets, is good, exciting, has a good fan base, gets good ratings, and fights good opponents.
- Fan wrote in that Broner is having another kid, nicknamed him About Babies. (Which Ring member was this?)
- Judah's fight will be on CBS Sports Net.
- Cotto vs. Hatton? Cotto.
- Shane can say whatever he wants, but the WBO was not going to sanction him to fight Liam Smith.
- Ronda Rousey should not be on the cover of Ring magazine, she is not a boxer.
- Kovalev vs. Pascal 2? Kovalev wins easier than the first fight.
- How many times will GGG fight in 2016? 3.
- Rumor that Arreola will be facing Travis Kauffman.
- Best atmosphere's for fights this year? Canelo-Kirkland, GGG-Monroe, and GGG-Lemieux. Cotto-Canelo will be a great one.
- Betting favorite if Canelo and GGG fought? Probably GGG.
- Gamboa is currently tangled in contract issues with the bankruptcy of 50 Cent's promotional company.
- GGG vs. Tureano is just speculation. It certainly is possible because he is GGG's mandatory, but nothing will happen until 10 days after the Cotto-Canelo fight, because that is the deadline when the winner has to decide whether to go into negotiations vs. GGG or vacate the belt.
- The Canelo/Cotto winner will have the negotiating advantage vs. GGG in their mandatory fight, however if GGG's side doesn't want to agree to anything they can just let the fight go to a purse bid and Canelo/Cotto's negotiation demands won't matter. In a purse bid GGG would likely get 40-45% of the purse split, because he is interim champion.
- According to CompuBox, GGG is one of the better defensive fighters they have ever tracked.
- RJJ is not tarnishing his legacy, but would like to see him retire.
- Manny and Floyd are absolutely not negotiating.
- One of the hallmark criticisms people point to in Floyd's career is many of his best opponents were not in their prime.
- Chances Crawford-Pacquiao happens? 50/50 right now. Arum wants it, but not sure Freddie/Pacquiao/Koncz want it.
- Crawford said if he can't fight Pacquiao, he would like to fight Postol. Personally does not think this happens immediately as the demand is low and no real money in it yet.
- Will GGG ever fight Ward? Possibly, but it would be a few years from now.
- Roman Gonzalez might get to headline his own card if he does a rematch with Estrada.
- PBC is planning to still have a Dec. 12 card (with Porter-Thurman being moved). No details yet.
- Thurman backing out is untrue, from what he has heard. His sources tell him Thurman-Porter will be on Jan. 23 to be the first main event on the new Fox prime time show.
- Peter Nelson (VP of HBO Sports) is viewed as a potential replacement for Hershman, as he is a major figure in the current HBO boxing business.
- Overall Hershman did a good job at HBO. The last 2 years for HBO boxing has probably been the "smoothest sailing" ever.
- Hershman told him he had been thinking about moving on for the past few months and by leaving at the end of the year most of the things he was working on are in action, and HBO can easily move forward without him.
- If Nelson gets promoted, does not see any change between HBO and PBC. They are still rivals/enemies.
- Who he voted for the boxing HOF (3 votes): Camacho, Vasquez Sr., and Genaro Hernandez (best 130 pounder in the 90's).
- Buy or sell Rios vs. Bradley becomes a brawl? Buy.
- Crawford and Bradley are good friends and Crawford said he would not fight him.
- Loves the Jennings vs. Ortiz fight and believes the winner would absolutely give Wilder some problems.
- Glowacki vs. Huck is his current FOTY. No talks of a rematch.
- Rosado vs. Clottey will be at 158.
- As long as Ward and Kovalev keep winning, Ward vs. Kovalev is a lock to happen. They have contracts in place agreeing to fight (HBO learned their lesson from Stevenson-Kovalev).
- Showtime is working on a deal to put Ruslan's fight on ShoExtreme.
- Picking Povetkin to beat Wach. Details are not finalized, but fight likely only available in the US via internet PPV.
- HBO was interested in televising Lemieux-N'Dam, but they did not have an immediate opening in their schedule and the IBF had given GB a deadline to make the fight happen.
- The Gonzalez vs. Shabranskyy fight will be a fun one.
- Did not score Peterson vs. Diaz, but thought just from watching it Diaz probably won.
- The Charlo and Spence card is very poor. PBC has lots of good opponents they could face, yet put them in against nobodies who have only fought nobodies.
- PBC has not even scraped the surface of all the good matchups they could make. Not sure why they haven't started pushing for better fights.
- Grade for PBC fight schedule in 2015? B-.
- Arthur Abraham for the HOF? He could see it, but doesn't think so.
- Abraham has had a better career than Sturm.
- Sadam Ali's career is run by his father and he knows nothing about the boxing business. He could have taken 100k step aside money, but they decided not to.
- Worst cuts he has seen? Vitali's eye vs. Lennox and Lujan's ear vs. Margarito. Add Barrios' hanging lip.
- Yunieski Gonzalez is more likely an opponent for Ward than Kovalev, as Kovalev will likely have to face a mandatory next year.
- If Canelo can keep making a lower weight he should keep doing it and use it to his advantage, rather than jump to MW if he doesn't want to.
- Does not care who Adonis faces next because his recent competition is a pathetic joke. Would enjoy like a Fonfara rematch.
- Believes that Floyd may have taken more risks when picking opponents had he lost earlier in his career.
- Biggest robbery he has witnessed in person (besides Pacquiao-Bradley 1)? Casamayor-Santa Cruz.
- Hatton vs. Erik Morales? Hatton.
- Canelo is everything you want in a fighter. He sells tickets, is good, exciting, has a good fan base, gets good ratings, and fights good opponents.
- Fan wrote in that Broner is having another kid, nicknamed him About Babies. (Which Ring member was this?)
- Judah's fight will be on CBS Sports Net.
- Cotto vs. Hatton? Cotto.
- Shane can say whatever he wants, but the WBO was not going to sanction him to fight Liam Smith.
- Ronda Rousey should not be on the cover of Ring magazine, she is not a boxer.
- Kovalev vs. Pascal 2? Kovalev wins easier than the first fight.
- How many times will GGG fight in 2016? 3.
- Rumor that Arreola will be facing Travis Kauffman.
- Best atmosphere's for fights this year? Canelo-Kirkland, GGG-Monroe, and GGG-Lemieux. Cotto-Canelo will be a great one.
- Betting favorite if Canelo and GGG fought? Probably GGG.
- Gamboa is currently tangled in contract issues with the bankruptcy of 50 Cent's promotional company.
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seemorecizzy
Superstar
if he loses to enzo it will be very
please make this happen
as is mine
shyt the loser would give wilder problems
LOL!!! hell no
seemorecizzy
Superstar
Why are pacquaio and roach so hesitant thowe all know why arum wants it, its called passing the torch
I know they ain't ducking another African American boxer...
facing some kind of glorified zahir raheem over revenge against marquez of floyd?Why are pacquaio and roach so hesitant tho
I know they ain't ducking another African American boxer...
seemorecizzy
Superstar
facing some kind of glorified zahir raheem over revenge against marquez of floyd?
Marquez damn near killed pacquaio
That chapter is over
yall really want a 5th fight
Seems like some of yall willing To have MARQUEZ vs pacquaio 30 if it means to pacquaio finally getting the better of him
Marquez got his number and that's that
Floyd embarassed pacquaio
Nothing more to see there
I really want pacquaio vs Crawford
facing some kind of glorified zahir raheem over revenge against marquez of floyd?
Terence Crawford is a glorified Zahir Raheem?
King P
Legends Never Die
facing some kind of glorified zahir raheem over revenge against marquez of floyd?
Amare's Right Hook
Southeast World Champion
- Arthur Abraham for the HOF?
Y'all ready for Keith "Prime Time" Thurman?:lethallisp:
Of course Arum wants it because he is trying to make a superstar off of Pacquiao's back. Guaranteed that no matter what happened in a Pacquiao/Crawford matchup that if it went to the scorecards that Pacquiao would lose. This is just version 2.0 of what Arum tried to do with Bum Ass Timothy Bradley™.