he could've just blamed the loss on his socks again like after the 1st Morales fight.
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My bad it was actually the 1st Marquez fight.
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AB versus…TBE?
Michael Woods
October 9, 2015
The rumor reached me from my best, on-the-ground source, Mr. X.
“Woodsy, I’m hearing rumblings…They are thinking Adrien Broner versus Floyd Mayweather if and when Floyd decides to get bored of being the world-traveler, an Instagram Hall of Famer. AB vs. TBE.”
Hmmm…I was thinking we’d be heading in that direction three years ago.
Back then, I was chatting with an HBO exec.
“Broner got talent, sure, but could it be we see the kid go off the rails?” I asked the suit.
Yeah, he acknowledged; that is the biggest if.
“Talented, but how will success affect him?” the guy asked me in turn.
Fast forward a couple years…
We saw how fame and fortune affected the Cincy hitter. We saw and he admitted it to us. The money got to my head, he said. Now, he stated, he’s got that head screwed on straight. No more funny business, he told us. And certainly, his walk matched his talk when he stopped rugged Russian Khabib Allakhverdiev last weekend. So, we look forward, wonder if he can keep up that momentum to the degree that when Floyd gets bored, AB will be front and center as his logical next…
I put it to Coach Mike Stafford, Broner’s longtime tutor and father-figure.
Mike, I’m hearing AB and TBE, talk to me…
“You never know what Floyd’s up to,” the amiable Ohioan told me. “He is about money and business. Whatever he comes up with, Al Haymon got an answer for it. We’re not smarter than Al; we go with what Al says.”
So, if Floyd does get bored, wants to glove up end of 2016, would AB do that? “End of 2016, AB would have a better shot at winning.”
So…Stafford didn’t shoot the rumor down. Talk to me, friends. Your thoughts?
AB versus...TBE? - Ring TV
Sorry @seemorecizzy and @InvictusAeternusEternus...49-1 and thanks for the payday if it comes off
#AboutBillions
:aboutbillions:
Michael Woods
October 9, 2015
The rumor reached me from my best, on-the-ground source, Mr. X.
“Woodsy, I’m hearing rumblings…They are thinking Adrien Broner versus Floyd Mayweather if and when Floyd decides to get bored of being the world-traveler, an Instagram Hall of Famer. AB vs. TBE.”
Hmmm…I was thinking we’d be heading in that direction three years ago.
Back then, I was chatting with an HBO exec.
“Broner got talent, sure, but could it be we see the kid go off the rails?” I asked the suit.
Yeah, he acknowledged; that is the biggest if.
“Talented, but how will success affect him?” the guy asked me in turn.
Fast forward a couple years…
We saw how fame and fortune affected the Cincy hitter. We saw and he admitted it to us. The money got to my head, he said. Now, he stated, he’s got that head screwed on straight. No more funny business, he told us. And certainly, his walk matched his talk when he stopped rugged Russian Khabib Allakhverdiev last weekend. So, we look forward, wonder if he can keep up that momentum to the degree that when Floyd gets bored, AB will be front and center as his logical next…
I put it to Coach Mike Stafford, Broner’s longtime tutor and father-figure.
Mike, I’m hearing AB and TBE, talk to me…
“You never know what Floyd’s up to,” the amiable Ohioan told me. “He is about money and business. Whatever he comes up with, Al Haymon got an answer for it. We’re not smarter than Al; we go with what Al says.”
So, if Floyd does get bored, wants to glove up end of 2016, would AB do that? “End of 2016, AB would have a better shot at winning.”
So…Stafford didn’t shoot the rumor down. Talk to me, friends. Your thoughts?
AB versus...TBE? - Ring TV
Sorry @seemorecizzy and @InvictusAeternusEternus...49-1 and thanks for the payday if it comes off
#AboutBillions
:aboutbillions:
seemorecizzy
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pacquaio probably had the same dreamRandom as hell but i had a nightmare a few days ago that Mayweather and Pacquiao had a rematch, Pacquiao lost again and losing made Pacquiao jump off a damn cliff on live tvwell yeah anyway
your probably not that far off
seemorecizzy
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AB versus…TBE?
Michael Woods
October 9, 2015
The rumor reached me from my best, on-the-ground source, Mr. X.
“Woodsy, I’m hearing rumblings…They are thinking Adrien Broner versus Floyd Mayweather if and when Floyd decides to get bored of being the world-traveler, an Instagram Hall of Famer. AB vs. TBE.”
Hmmm…I was thinking we’d be heading in that direction three years ago.
Back then, I was chatting with an HBO exec.
“Broner got talent, sure, but could it be we see the kid go off the rails?” I asked the suit.
Yeah, he acknowledged; that is the biggest if.
“Talented, but how will success affect him?” the guy asked me in turn.
Fast forward a couple years…
We saw how fame and fortune affected the Cincy hitter. We saw and he admitted it to us. The money got to my head, he said. Now, he stated, he’s got that head screwed on straight. No more funny business, he told us. And certainly, his walk matched his talk when he stopped rugged Russian Khabib Allakhverdiev last weekend. So, we look forward, wonder if he can keep up that momentum to the degree that when Floyd gets bored, AB will be front and center as his logical next…
I put it to Coach Mike Stafford, Broner’s longtime tutor and father-figure.
Mike, I’m hearing AB and TBE, talk to me…
“You never know what Floyd’s up to,” the amiable Ohioan told me. “He is about money and business. Whatever he comes up with, Al Haymon got an answer for it. We’re not smarter than Al; we go with what Al says.”
So, if Floyd does get bored, wants to glove up end of 2016, would AB do that? “End of 2016, AB would have a better shot at winning.”
So…Stafford didn’t shoot the rumor down. Talk to me, friends. Your thoughts?
AB versus...TBE? - Ring TV
Sorry @seemorecizzy and @InvictusAeternusEternus...49-1 and thanks for the payday if it comes off
#AboutBillions
:aboutbillions:
always felt they were building towards that before broner lost to maidana
lost steam after that but who knows
GREENandYELLOW
2x...and defending
Dan Rafael chat wrap 10/9:
- Andre Ward still needs to finalize his deal for the Cotto-Canelo undercard. No word on the opponent, but do not expect a top level fighter.
- The general plan for Ward's 3 fight contract with HBO is to fight on the Cotto-Canelo undercard, another fight in March/April (where Yunieski Gonzalez is a possible opponent), and then a PPV with Kovalev.
- Ward's career at 168 is most likely over. It is not necessarily because he can't make weight, but that because all his viable business opportunities are at 175.
- Ward vs. GGG won't happen anytime soon. It hasn't happened for a lot of different reasons. Now their career paths are going in different directions. GGG is looking to unify 160 and Ward is working towards fighting Kovalev at 175.
- J. Prince still manages Ward.
- Postol broke Matthysse's will more than his body. Believes Matthysse was concerned about his eye and also decided to quit. Had Postol up by 1 point at the time of the stoppage.
- Terrible that Ben Tackie is still fighting. (Commentor wrote in saying he worked for the IRS and knew for a fact that Tackie has tax issues).
- There are absolutely no rematch talks between Mayweather and Pacquiao. Anyone saying there are is fabricating a story.
- Selby is ready to fight a seasoned veteran.
- According to GB there are no visa issues with Tureano-O'Kane, the fight is on.
- Rigo's career has stalled because no networks want to spend money on him and he isn't an attraction in ratings or selling seats. He can fight more, but not necessarily at the money he thinks he should get.
- On a scale of 1-10, how likely is Ward-Kovalev in 2016? 9.
- Rank the fights? 1. Tito-Vargas, 2. Hamed-Kelly, 3. Holyfield-Tyson 1.
- Thought Cherry beat Pedraza. Pedraza looked very average. Believes he needs a more experienced trainer (currently trained by his Dad) because he has a lot of talent that isn't being maximized.
- Crawford vs. Postol? Fascinating fight that probably won't happen, likely due to Postol not being popular enough for TR and HBO.
- Pacquiao is on a fight by fight basis now, regarding retirement. Expect him to fight at least once more.
- Camacho isn't a guarantee to get in the HOF, but he expects him to get in. Very weak year for HOF nominations.
- Vinny Pazienza was a fun fighter to watch, but not a HOF'er to him.
- Gatti is in the HOF because he is revered as the most exciting fighter of his generation, not because of his skills (in response to a question regarding Camacho being a better fighter than Gatti).
- Doesn't like that 3 fighters automatically get in every year into the HOF. Likes baseball's system where you need a % of the vote to get in. One year it was so weak he left his ballot blank...but will not do that again because 3 get in and he will vote for his 3 most "deserving" candidates. This year will be a struggle to vote for 3.
- Nicholas Walters will fight Dec. 12 on HBO. No opponent yet. Has been told he will be fighting at 130.
- Hopkins may still fight Abraham. They were talking about fighting in 2016. Abraham will fight Murray in November.
- No one within Haymon's organization will speak to the media about PBC's plan. Haymon dictates what employees can say publicly.
- ESPN3 will carry undercard bouts from the Linares-Cano stream.
- MSG is sold out for the GGG-Lemieux fight.
- Picking GGG to beat Lemieux.
- Not surprised Provodnikov left Freddie Roach. Ruslan needed a change and it was becoming obvious that Roach didn't have enough time for Ruslan.
- Numbers he has heard for the Floyd-Berto PPV was a little over 400k buys. Definitely did not reach 500k.
- The reason Floyd-Berto was announced so late was because Showtime wanted first option to pick up Floyd's next fight (if he chose to do so). Doesn't know if or what Floyd and Showtime agreed upon.
- Lamont Peterson vs. Felix Diaz fight is contracted at a catch weight of 143 lbs.
- Shawn Porter is a terrific guy and very accommodating with fans.
- Who has been the most impressive prospect this year? Probably Spence.
- If Rigo gets stripped, Donaire and Juarez are the mandatories to fight for the vacant belt
- Hagler vs. RJJ? RJJ.
- Nonito Donaire a HOF'er? Borderline.
- Bradley is borderline HOF, maybe has already done enough.
- Lee Groves from CompuBox and Ring Magazine is a super historian and has a great fight collection.
- Lee vs. Saunders is supposed to be rescheduled for Dec. 19.
- Which wives of fighters were nice people? Jin Mosley was always nice. Tracy Byrd (wife of Chris) is terrific. Rachel Donaire and Monica Bradley are really great too.
- Wouldn't be surprised if the WBC legally allows Wilder to have another exception before his mandatory.
- Truth behind the rumor of Ruslan vs. Mosley? Not sure if they have talked, but would be surprised if HBO or Showtime wanted the fight, that leads him to believe that it is unlikely to happen.
- Biggest heavyweight puncher of all time? Foreman or Shavers.
- Gatti vs. Hatton? Hatton.
- Prichard Colon is an exciting WW prospect with good power.
- Bernard Hopkins is 100% the same off camera as he is on camera.
- Was told that money, not weight was the issue for Rigo not accepting a fight with Lomachenko.
- The winner of Fonfara vs. Cleverly is a likely next opponent for Stevenson.
- Over/under 450k PPV buys for GGG-Lemieux? Under.
- Amir Imam was born and raised in NY. He is of Sudanese decent.
- John Thompson or Liam Smith? No strong opinion, but will pick Smith.
- Canelo's best win? Lara.
- How do trainer's get paid? Different. Some get 10 % of purse, some get more, some less, some get a flat fee.
- Tyson's boxing promotion closed because he had a falling out with Gary Jonas, who was in charge of the business, it was losing massive amounts of money. They split up, Jonas closed the business and became a manager, and took all his fighters to Haymon.
- Sergio Martinez for the HOF? Yes.
- Danny Garcia vs. Pernell Whitaker? Whitaker, 12-0.
- Glen Johnson is a super cool guy.
- Michael Clarke should not be licensed and allowed to fight.
- Bryant Jennings will not fight again this year.
- Broner vs. Peterson? Would be very interested in seeing it.
- No problems with Beterbiev vs. Murat.
- Bute vs. DeGale? DeGale probably outboxes him.
- Andre Ward still needs to finalize his deal for the Cotto-Canelo undercard. No word on the opponent, but do not expect a top level fighter.
- The general plan for Ward's 3 fight contract with HBO is to fight on the Cotto-Canelo undercard, another fight in March/April (where Yunieski Gonzalez is a possible opponent), and then a PPV with Kovalev.
- Ward's career at 168 is most likely over. It is not necessarily because he can't make weight, but that because all his viable business opportunities are at 175.
- Ward vs. GGG won't happen anytime soon. It hasn't happened for a lot of different reasons. Now their career paths are going in different directions. GGG is looking to unify 160 and Ward is working towards fighting Kovalev at 175.
- J. Prince still manages Ward.
- Postol broke Matthysse's will more than his body. Believes Matthysse was concerned about his eye and also decided to quit. Had Postol up by 1 point at the time of the stoppage.
- Terrible that Ben Tackie is still fighting. (Commentor wrote in saying he worked for the IRS and knew for a fact that Tackie has tax issues).
- There are absolutely no rematch talks between Mayweather and Pacquiao. Anyone saying there are is fabricating a story.
- Selby is ready to fight a seasoned veteran.
- According to GB there are no visa issues with Tureano-O'Kane, the fight is on.
- Rigo's career has stalled because no networks want to spend money on him and he isn't an attraction in ratings or selling seats. He can fight more, but not necessarily at the money he thinks he should get.
- On a scale of 1-10, how likely is Ward-Kovalev in 2016? 9.
- Rank the fights? 1. Tito-Vargas, 2. Hamed-Kelly, 3. Holyfield-Tyson 1.
- Thought Cherry beat Pedraza. Pedraza looked very average. Believes he needs a more experienced trainer (currently trained by his Dad) because he has a lot of talent that isn't being maximized.
- Crawford vs. Postol? Fascinating fight that probably won't happen, likely due to Postol not being popular enough for TR and HBO.
- Pacquiao is on a fight by fight basis now, regarding retirement. Expect him to fight at least once more.
- Camacho isn't a guarantee to get in the HOF, but he expects him to get in. Very weak year for HOF nominations.
- Vinny Pazienza was a fun fighter to watch, but not a HOF'er to him.
- Gatti is in the HOF because he is revered as the most exciting fighter of his generation, not because of his skills (in response to a question regarding Camacho being a better fighter than Gatti).
- Doesn't like that 3 fighters automatically get in every year into the HOF. Likes baseball's system where you need a % of the vote to get in. One year it was so weak he left his ballot blank...but will not do that again because 3 get in and he will vote for his 3 most "deserving" candidates. This year will be a struggle to vote for 3.
- Nicholas Walters will fight Dec. 12 on HBO. No opponent yet. Has been told he will be fighting at 130.
- Hopkins may still fight Abraham. They were talking about fighting in 2016. Abraham will fight Murray in November.
- No one within Haymon's organization will speak to the media about PBC's plan. Haymon dictates what employees can say publicly.
- ESPN3 will carry undercard bouts from the Linares-Cano stream.
- MSG is sold out for the GGG-Lemieux fight.
- Picking GGG to beat Lemieux.
- Not surprised Provodnikov left Freddie Roach. Ruslan needed a change and it was becoming obvious that Roach didn't have enough time for Ruslan.
- Numbers he has heard for the Floyd-Berto PPV was a little over 400k buys. Definitely did not reach 500k.
- The reason Floyd-Berto was announced so late was because Showtime wanted first option to pick up Floyd's next fight (if he chose to do so). Doesn't know if or what Floyd and Showtime agreed upon.
- Lamont Peterson vs. Felix Diaz fight is contracted at a catch weight of 143 lbs.
- Shawn Porter is a terrific guy and very accommodating with fans.
- Who has been the most impressive prospect this year? Probably Spence.
- If Rigo gets stripped, Donaire and Juarez are the mandatories to fight for the vacant belt
- Hagler vs. RJJ? RJJ.
- Nonito Donaire a HOF'er? Borderline.
- Bradley is borderline HOF, maybe has already done enough.
- Lee Groves from CompuBox and Ring Magazine is a super historian and has a great fight collection.
- Lee vs. Saunders is supposed to be rescheduled for Dec. 19.
- Which wives of fighters were nice people? Jin Mosley was always nice. Tracy Byrd (wife of Chris) is terrific. Rachel Donaire and Monica Bradley are really great too.
- Wouldn't be surprised if the WBC legally allows Wilder to have another exception before his mandatory.
- Truth behind the rumor of Ruslan vs. Mosley? Not sure if they have talked, but would be surprised if HBO or Showtime wanted the fight, that leads him to believe that it is unlikely to happen.
- Biggest heavyweight puncher of all time? Foreman or Shavers.
- Gatti vs. Hatton? Hatton.
- Prichard Colon is an exciting WW prospect with good power.
- Bernard Hopkins is 100% the same off camera as he is on camera.
- Was told that money, not weight was the issue for Rigo not accepting a fight with Lomachenko.
- The winner of Fonfara vs. Cleverly is a likely next opponent for Stevenson.
- Over/under 450k PPV buys for GGG-Lemieux? Under.
- Amir Imam was born and raised in NY. He is of Sudanese decent.
- John Thompson or Liam Smith? No strong opinion, but will pick Smith.
- Canelo's best win? Lara.
- How do trainer's get paid? Different. Some get 10 % of purse, some get more, some less, some get a flat fee.
- Tyson's boxing promotion closed because he had a falling out with Gary Jonas, who was in charge of the business, it was losing massive amounts of money. They split up, Jonas closed the business and became a manager, and took all his fighters to Haymon.
- Sergio Martinez for the HOF? Yes.
- Danny Garcia vs. Pernell Whitaker? Whitaker, 12-0.
- Glen Johnson is a super cool guy.
- Michael Clarke should not be licensed and allowed to fight.
- Bryant Jennings will not fight again this year.
- Broner vs. Peterson? Would be very interested in seeing it.
- No problems with Beterbiev vs. Murat.
- Bute vs. DeGale? DeGale probably outboxes him.
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