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@Cole Cash
aight breh..my views on Haymon and PBC
I don't see Haymon as some savior for boxing mostly because of how the fighters he "advises" are compensated in contrast to what they have actually done in the careers. Alot of his fighters are overpaid for fighting the most non descript opponents and passing them off as must see cards.
He all but turned boxing on showtime into shyt with this matchmaking practice last year. shyt was disgusting to me esp since i pay for the channel. I also think that shyt ruins fighters, especially young and/or upcoming fighters. It breeds laziness and complacency along with tendency for risk aversion. I also can give 2 shyts on what fighters make as an excuse for this. Hell its already starting to rear its head in some of his main fighters already and I think its going to get worse.

PBC is the culmination of Al's efforts to preserve his fighters from taking Ls. Now I thought PBC's intent, besides trying to showcase boxing on more mainstream level, was showing a better quality of fights. Especially with that roster he has under his control. i don't feel that way at all. I'm not the people that are nitpicking the design, or the broadcasting team, or the entrances for PBC and dismissing it off that. That type of shyt is trivial and cosmetic in the bigger picture of things. What is important though is it matchmaking. I don't feel the cards are any different from your FNF, Shobox, HBO BAD, regular Showtime card. It has its fights here and there and I do have a PBC fight as the current leading FOTY candidate (Huck-Glowacki - ironically neither are PBC fighters lol). However it is the one thing I harp about PBC. The potential for good cards are there but its not being executed right.
Now I hear the typical response "Pat its on free TV though ". That shouldn't be any reason to excuse the matchmaking. I also feel because there's so many PBC cards these days, it is used as a crutch. For example the 3 undercard fights on the past Floyd-Berto card shytted on every PBC card i've seen, which is all of them. That was on a PPV and that is the type of level of fights i thought PBC was going to bring to the game. Now with all that I've seen every PBC card on TV and have even been to one live with plans on seeing another one live next month. I do it because I love boxing..nothing more nothing less.
If im going to drink the PBC kool aid, the matchmaking has to improve and even better work with other promoters

so thats basically a sum of my thoughts..most of the cats on here have heard them before in different variations

Pat you my nikka but that was just a post of nonsensical thots

You're a fan of the sport so why care bout boxers purses when they're fighting on basic cable or channels you can get for free with a digital antenna
They're not fighting on PPV. They're not fighting on premium cable that you have to pay an extra $20 for, so again why care bout their purses

At one point you complain bout PBC's matchmaking when most of the 50-50 fights this year have been on PBC
There has literally been no upsets on hbo and only one on Showtime. On PBC there has been at least 6 upsets and close call after close call

The most nonsensical part is when you compare the undercard of a $75 PPV to a PBC card on regular TV
It's like you really expect Salido/Martinez and Jack/Groves to be on Fox Sports 1 card
That said PBC did put on a card as great as that Mayweather undercard (Warren/Payano, Cota/Johnson) but you ain't mention it


You complaining bout PBC not doing something that no one else is doing
Showtime and hbo ain't shown boxing in damn months
Showtime did and hbo is putting on a PPV where someone in the main event is a massive underdog that noone believes will win
But you complaining bout PBC putting on a big fight every month instead of every week

Spoiler

Also Glowacki been signed to Haymon since April Pat

 

[Axum Ezana]

some funny moments in this imo

 

[Big Boss]

@Newzz @krackdagawd



TIMOTHY BRADLEY INSISTS ANDRE WARD IS THE BEST POUND-FOR-POUND FIGHTER IN THE WORLD; EXPLAINS WHY

 

[Newzz]

Pat you my nikka but that was just a post of nonsensical thots

You're a fan of the sport so why care bout boxers purses when they're fighting on basic cable or channels you can get for free with a digital antenna
They're not fighting on PPV. They're not fighting on premium cable that you have to pay an extra $20 for, so again why care bout their purses

At one point you complain bout PBC's matchmaking when most of the 50-50 fights this year have been on PBC
There has literally been no upsets on hbo and only one on Showtime. On PBC there has been at least 6 upsets and close call after close call

The most nonsensical part is when you compare the undercard of a $75 PPV to a PBC card on regular TV
It's like you really expect Salido/Martinez and Jack/Groves to be on Fox Sports 1 card
That said PBC did put on a card as great as that Mayweather undercard (Warren/Payano, Cota/Johnson) but you ain't mention it


You complaining bout PBC not doing something that no one else is doing
Showtime and hbo ain't shown boxing in damn months
Showtime did and hbo is putting on a PPV where someone in the main event is a massive underdog that noone believes will win
But you complaining bout PBC putting on a big fight every month instead of every week

Spoiler

Also Glowacki been signed to Haymon since April Pat

 

[Stinky Diver]

Who are you?

At least u didn't disagree.
You're one of the better dudes on here...was just spittin the real.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

The return of Peter

 

[krackdagawd]

@Newzz @krackdagawd



TIMOTHY BRADLEY INSISTS ANDRE WARD IS THE BEST POUND-FOR-POUND FIGHTER IN THE WORLD; EXPLAINS WHY

Nothing they can do season

#SOGGang

 

[krackdagawd]

On This Day: Felix Trinidad edges Oscar De La Hoya in disappointing welterweight superfight


Matt Christie tells the story behind the September 18 1999 showdown, one of the richest in boxing history

1. IT was supposed to be the best fight the welterweight division had seen since Sugar Ray Leonard beat Thomas Hearns in 1981. Certainly it was the most anticipated. “This is the fight of the century,” said then-world featherweight champion Naseem Hamed. “How could I dare miss it?” But the unification showdown between Felix Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya, staged at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas on September 18, 1999, was far from the fight of the century.

2. THE combatants came into the fight with fearsome reputations and unbeaten records. Trinidad, 35-0 (30), was regarded as the hardest puncher in boxing, while De La Hoya, 31-0 (25), was considered one of the sport’s absolute finest. There was no clear favourite, and opinions swayed as the fight got closer.

3. TRINIDAD, of Puerto Rico, arrived in Las Vegas several weeks before the fight and, staying at the Hilton Hotel, demanded privacy. He refused interviews and locked the media and public out of his training sessions until there were only days to go. There were rumours that he was uneasy, and struggling to make weight. On the Tuesday before the superfight he decided to organise a public training session that proved he was in peak condition.

4. DE LA HOYA was convinced that victory would be his, and that it would be more straightforward than anyone envisioned. “Nobody knows what I’m going to do,” he said. “That’s playing it smart, confusing my opponent. I’m hungry again. Trinidad’s not a boxer. Whenever he gets hit, he gets wobbled. He’s weak. I don’t think he’s a solid physical structure. I might wipe him off the map or just outbox him. I want to remain undefeated and retire as champion. It’s never been done [outside the heavyweight division]. Watch what happens when I retire from boxing.”

5. BEFORE the fight it was announced that De La Hoya’s purse was a guaranteed $21million compared to Trinidad’s $8.5million. Promoter Bob Arum also added there was a further $11million available in prize funds, that would be split between the pair, if the fight performed well at the Box Office. It did, with 1.4million paying to watch the fight on television, making the PPV revenue a cool $71.4million. All in all, at the time of the fight, it was the richest non-heavyweight fight in history.

6. THE crowd was awash with personalities. Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Julio Cesar Chavez and Mike Tyson were there. Angelo Dundee watched on with tennis superstars Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi and Steffi Graff. Elsewhere Sylvester Stallone, Jack Nicholson, Cameron Diaz, and Danny DeVito were in attendance.

7. BUT expectations could not be met. The fight was a disappointment, particularly to the those who were expecting a shootout. It was a chess match, and one that De La Hoya seemed to control. At the end of the 12th and final round, Oscar launched his hands to the air in triumph, convinced he had down enough. Certainly, it seemed like he controlled the first eight rounds before opting to slow his output over the last four because he thought victory was his.

8. TRINIDAD was named the winner. The announced scores of 115-114, 115-113, and 114-114 that handed him the majority victory were a surprise to many. The Puerto Rican had certainly been aggressive, but his attacks, largely reduced to just one-twos by De La Hoya’s solid defensive work, had been ineffective. But those who argued that Oscar had cost himself victory, by coasting through the final third of the bout, certainly had a point.

9. JEFF FENECH, the Australian legend, was disgusted by the verdict, and the performance of the judges. “If anyone makes a mistake at work, they get the sack. But in this business the judges get away with it. I wanted Trinidad to win but, after the first round, De La Hoya won the next seven. He won the fight. It was a terrible fight, but Oscar won. This sport sucks.”

10. TRINIDAD had plenty of support, though. Many believed he had done enough. And there was no louder support than that coming from his promoter, Don King. “Give my fighter credit. He beat your man. You’re trying to manipulate these people. There’s no controversy here…” Sick and tired of his old nemesis banging on, Bob Arum switched off his microphone at the post-fight press conference and told him to shut the hell up.

this fight was where I learned I couldn't talk boxing with my school friends. I went to school that monday like @ how Oscar kept making him reset and all my friends were like " fight was wack was fukk "

Pat you my nikka but that was just a post of nonsensical thots

You're a fan of the sport so why care bout boxers purses when they're fighting on basic cable or channels you can get for free with a digital antenna
They're not fighting on PPV. They're not fighting on premium cable that you have to pay an extra $20 for, so again why care bout their purses

At one point you complain bout PBC's matchmaking when most of the 50-50 fights this year have been on PBC
There has literally been no upsets on hbo and only one on Showtime. On PBC there has been at least 6 upsets and close call after close call

The most nonsensical part is when you compare the undercard of a $75 PPV to a PBC card on regular TV
It's like you really expect Salido/Martinez and Jack/Groves to be on Fox Sports 1 card
That said PBC did put on a card as great as that Mayweather undercard (Warren/Payano, Cota/Johnson) but you ain't mention it


You complaining bout PBC not doing something that no one else is doing
Showtime and hbo ain't shown boxing in damn months
Showtime did and hbo is putting on a PPV where someone in the main event is a massive underdog that noone believes will win
But you complaining bout PBC putting on a big fight every month instead of every week

Spoiler

Also Glowacki been signed to Haymon since April Pat

 

[patscorpio]

Pat you my nikka but that was just a post of nonsensical thots

You're a fan of the sport so why care bout boxers purses when they're fighting on basic cable or channels you can get for free with a digital antenna
They're not fighting on PPV. They're not fighting on premium cable that you have to pay an extra $20 for, so again why care bout their purses

At one point you complain bout PBC's matchmaking when most of the 50-50 fights this year have been on PBC
There has literally been no upsets on hbo and only one on Showtime. On PBC there has been at least 6 upsets and close call after close call

The most nonsensical part is when you compare the undercard of a $75 PPV to a PBC card on regular TV
It's like you really expect Salido/Martinez and Jack/Groves to be on Fox Sports 1 card
That said PBC did put on a card as great as that Mayweather undercard (Warren/Payano, Cota/Johnson) but you ain't mention it


You complaining bout PBC not doing something that no one else is doing
Showtime and hbo ain't shown boxing in damn months
Showtime did and hbo is putting on a PPV where someone in the main event is a massive underdog that noone believes will win
But you complaining bout PBC putting on a big fight every month instead of every week

Spoiler

Also Glowacki been signed to Haymon since April Pat

i dont like boxers being paid big money to fight non descript opponents, jobbers, bums..it creates entitlement...i dont think its good for boxers or the sport...i think it ruins fighters..it makes them less competitive and adverse to risk..all you have to see for an example is 147 right now among the fighters signed to haymon

and last time i check PBC has put on multiple cards where the main event has a massive underdog in them..i dont think i need to list them (but ill use stevenson-karpency as a recent example)..no different from the shyt haymon was doing in 2014 but hey he's putting all these cards on and its free so thats ok

right now hbo's lineup for the fall peaks my interest more than any of the PBC cards in october..that PPV you mentioned being one of them cuz if youre going to put on a main event like that it better be because of some significance (division) instead of a cherry pick (showtime ppv)


Last time i check PBC's schedule they have no big fights scheduled this month or october..and it hasnt been every other month..aug - lsc-mares; none in july; jun porter-broner

i raved about the pbc on bounce card since im one of the few that watched it..i dont think its better than the undercard for floyd-berto..thats my opinion..i mentioned huck-glowacki as my pick for FOTY so far...believe me i would have mentioned if i thought a card was up to par to it

Bounce and FS1 are being marketed as new generation talent..im talking about the main ones (NBC, CBS, Spike, ESPN i do expect a higher quality of fights on those or something i havent seen before..thats very hit or miss so far...you're enthralled with the quantity instead of the quality..if pbc didnt exist..these fights would be back on showtime

showtime is a bind because of what haymon did; hbo is just fukking up period for a lot of reasons..still cant scapegoat using those 2 networks as an excuse for PBC and its matchmaking

in the end PBC is for the casual who doesnt know who's who for boxing; not for a cat like me. but if you're going to market yourself as all these alternatives to all previous ways boxing is shown..you gotta come correct..until i see al with a matchmaker who knows what they are doing, pbc is no different from any other boxing show out there

Spoiler

you're going to need to show proof of that for Glowacki; hes not even on the PBC roster or even on the list for haymon on boxrec

 

[patscorpio]

this ole ungrateful, disloyal bum. Sorry Berto, but you gotta get all the way outta here.

berto is a funny guy...most ppl gave 2 shyts about him and no one wanted to see him in the ppv in the first place..and then he complains because he put in the same performance as he always does and confirms what ppl thought..hilarious

 

[krackdagawd]

i dont like boxers being paid big money to fight non descript opponents, jobbers, bums..it creates entitlement...i dont think its good for boxers or the sport...i think it ruins fighters..it makes them less competitive and adverse to risk..all you have to see for an example is 147 right now among the fighters signed to haymon

and last time i check PBC has put on multiple cards where the main event has a massive underdog in them..i dont think i need to list them (but ill use stevenson-karpency as a recent example)..no different from the shyt haymon was doing in 2014 but hey he's putting all these cards on and its free so thats ok

right now hbo's lineup for the fall peaks my interest more than any of the PBC cards in october..that PPV you mentioned being one of them cuz if youre going to put on a main event like that it better be because of some significance (division) instead of a cherry pick (showtime ppv)


Last time i check PBC's schedule they have no big fights scheduled this month or october..and it hasnt been every other month..aug - lsc-mares; none in july; jun porter-broner

i raved about the pbc on bounce card since im one of the few that watched it..i dont think its better than the undercard for floyd-berto..thats my opinion..i mentioned huck-glowacki as my pick for FOTY so far...believe me i would have mentioned if i thought a card was up to par to it

Bounce and FS1 are being marketed as new generation talent..im talking about the main ones (NBC, CBS, Spike, ESPN i do expect a higher quality of fights on those or something i havent seen before..thats very hit or miss so far...you're enthralled with the quantity instead of the quality..if pbc didnt exist..these fights would be back on showtime

showtime is a bind because of what haymon did; hbo is just fukking up period for a lot of reasons..still cant scapegoat using those 2 networks as an excuse for PBC and its matchmaking

in the end PBC is for the casual who doesnt know who's who for boxing; not for a cat like me. but if you're going to market yourself as all these alternatives to all previous ways boxing is shown..you gotta come correct..until i see al with a matchmaker who knows what they are doing, pbc is no different from any other boxing show out there

Spoiler

you're going to need to show proof of that for Glowacki; hes not even on the PBC roster or even on the list for haymon on boxrec

Care to show me what the odds are looking like for GGG Lemieux friend

Gee golly I hope he isn't a massive underdog in that fight because you said you have no problem paying for it yet seem to have an issue when there is a massive underdog in a fight that's free.


Dat bias.

I'm against nikkas fighting jobbers as well BUT I understand that every fight isn't going to be with a top guy. I bytched when Swift fought Salka but I gave props where due for the PED fight even though I thought he lost.

 

[patscorpio]

Care to show me what the odds are looking like for GGG Lemieux friend

Gee golly I hope he isn't a massive underdog in that fight because you said you have no problem paying for it yet seem to have an issue when there is a massive underdog in a fight that's free.


Dat bias.

I'm against nikkas fighting jobbers as well BUT I understand that every fight isn't going to be with a top guy. I bytched when Swift fought Salka but I gave props where due for the PED fight even though I thought he lost.

i have no idea what the odds are for that fight breh

there is no difference whether paid or free..a massive underdog is a massive underdog..which falls in line with the matchmaking problem..but that was not mentioned for some reason in yawn's comment when talking about the hbo ppv which had nothing to do with pbc....so i mentioned it for pbc

i was also cool with swift fighting peterson as i had wanted that...not for it to be a non title catchweight though ..shyt im surprised it was allowed to be 12 rounds

 

[patscorpio]

The return of Peter

i hope my ibibio breh lost some weight..cant be in the ring weighing 300 lbs

 

[yawn]

i dont like boxers being paid big money to fight non descript opponents, jobbers, bums..it creates entitlement...i dont think its good for boxers or the sport...i think it ruins fighters..it makes them less competitive and adverse to risk..all you have to see for an example is 147 right now among the fighters signed to haymon
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Again Pat why do you care about purses that don't affect you or the sport
You can't show me one instance of a boxer signed to Haymon doing anything you believe happens when they make big money

Broner made 1.25M to face Molina and then fought Porter for 1.3M. Broner accepted a 50-50 fight for only 50k more

And Pat if you wanna talk bout massive underdogs I can give you some

If I bet $100 on Klit to beat Jennings, golovkin to beat Monroe/Murray, Klansman to beat Mohammedi or Canelo to beat Kirkland I would've won $1

Those were all main events on a network we pay $20 a month for but I never see you complain about those

In back to back months hbo has 2 PPV's. If you buy both that's $200 you spent in 2 months but PBC is the problem right

Spoiler

KRZYSZTOF GŁOWACKI RÓWNIEŻ NA POKŁADZIE ALA HAYMONA

Told you Glowacki been signed. If he wasn't fight would've been in Germany and many wouldn't have seen it

Care to show me what the odds are looking like for GGG Lemieux friend

Gee golly I hope he isn't a massive underdog in that fight because you said you have no problem paying for it
yet seem to have an issue when there is a massive underdog in a fight that's free.


Dat bias.

Lemiuex is almost as big of an underdog as Duahapas is vs Wilder

One's on PPV the other is on NBC

The one on NBC is the problem tho

 

[patscorpio]

You can't show me one instance of a boxer signed to Haymon doing anything you believe happens when they make big money

i just mentioned 147...LSC is a better example i suppose and of course the best example: andre berto

In back to back months hbo has 2 PPV's. If you buy both that's $200 you spent in 2 months but PBC is the problem right

i doubt those 2 ppvs are going to be 200 bucks breh ..i dont even know where you got those numbers.]

Lemiuex is almost as big of an underdog as Duahapas is vs Wilder

One's on PPV the other is on NBC

The one on NBC is the problem tho

you're playing dumb..you know perfectly why ppl dont like the wilder fight..but then i did say al was going to make wilder sit on his title a little though