Essential The Official Boxing Random Thoughts Thread...All boxing heads ENTER.

[surv2syn]

damn @synistr going sick in here lol

nikkas aint never satisfied. they will say Maidana gave Floyd a tough fight and out the other side of their mouth ask why are they fighting again? 2/3rds of these nikkas in here dont know shyt about boxing, much less the business of boxing. let the sonnings begin.

 

[Newzz]

Look at this shyt We comparing an unranked nikka from a weight class below to a mandatory. The alphabets ain't even want their sanctioning fee for that trash of a fight and you are in here comparing to BHop/Hakkar?

Let's not complain about the shyt that Haymon/fighters are doing and when 2015 becomes the year of vanilla midgets I don't want to hear shyt from you nikkas.



Geale was a legit opponent and GGG stopping him the way he did shows that he is NOT hype.




I believe this as well. That baffoon Broner was able to do it but when it comes to everyone else their hands are tied.

Dap + .....I agreed with the 1st 3 paragraphs, but dont be dissing the #BandCampCEO


My Client, Adrien Broner, is a 3x-3x-3x-3x-3x World Champion and is the ONLY one of Haymon's employers to tell him Im fighting who I want to fight. The rest of them nikkas is cowards for real

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

I wouldnt say Haymon doesnt care what his fighters want. All fighters want one thing. MONEY. He is the man getting it now hence the reason he has a new signee EVERY WEEK! I cant remember, the nig that signed last week, but it was somebody good. Don King was like this once upon a time. IF you wanted a title shot, Don was the quickest way to it. He got Zab a shot at WW title in his first fight at the weight. Zab aint beat nobody but Rangel and Corley since he had lost to Tszyu. I got a million other examples...but Zab was gonna have to wait a long time or he was not gonna get a shot without signing.

There is a way around it. Fight your way up the rankings and become the mando. You know how long that takes? About 2 years depending on where you are starting and when the Mando is due. And you may have to fight like 6 fights.....who's to say you wont lose your 6th, then have to start all over again?

People have jobs because they are experts on what they do. Al is an expert. Fighters are welcome to voice their opinion to him but if he says that aint the way to go....then what do you do? Tell him you dont want to be signed to him anymore? Boxing management is a whole different animal than trying to get a basketball player the best deal because its an individual sport. You cant just go and play with Bron or Melo or some shyt. You gotta make calculated moves outside the ring because each fight leads up to the next.

To me that stinks of why boxing's structure needs reform. The governing bodies and belts are a joke. The real way to success and getting your career where you want to be is through the right management/promoter. You don't even have to dig to see how shady that is and always has been.
Boxing also may be the toughest sport to reform and find a structure that works. So many hands are in from a promotion and management standpoint and people with powerful hands.
The fact that a fighter has to sign to the guy he wants to feed him and put in work to him, not the boxing game itself, creates no sense of competitive fairness or justifiable sense that we are being presented with the best boxing can offer.

 

[surv2syn]

This one I actually understand. Brook doesn't have a name like the other guys at 147 and he can't take L's and expect to get quality fights or good money (in the US or on US networks). I would be interested to see what he has made in Great Britain.
Someone like Rios is tied in with the right promoters and networks and will continue to get opportunity and payday after opportunity and payday.
Another fight vs one of those guys very likely gets Brook on US TV and builds his interest. Even though I would be doubtful he would be a next opponent for Mayweather, that is a smart move because it keeps his chances of being champion and undefeated for the opportunity of Mayweather and if Khan gets passed over again by Floyd, then Khan's most financially attractive fight will be vs Brook.

Keith Thurman is still stuck waiting for the right opportunity. He is up and coming, but not quite the name or financial draw to be people's top choice.
#Thurminators time will come and when it does we will be ready.

but this is what I am in here tryin to tell nikkas. Brook probably tellin Hearn...get me that nikka Thurman now! Hearn like

pump ya brakes my dude.....we gotta milk this for a min. Thurman a lil too dangerous to be up and riskin shyt you just got

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Brag about "fighting who you wanna fight" get your ass beat from pillar to post N then fall back in line brehs

 

[Newzz]

so there wasnt a higher ranked soft touch out of those 967 nigggas? he just went for number 968?

u nikkas is str8 dumb. if Showtime approved the shyt then obviously they dont feel that way. but you know more than Showtime? bet u watched that shyt too, didnt u?

I'd like to know your list of approved names.

lemme just throw out lightweight names that are bigger....

Mickey Bey. he is not a top 10 ranked lightweight no matter what sanctioning body says he is. He aint gonna risk no title shot against an easier fighter at LW.

Ricardo Alvarez. just about as high as ranked as Salka with a bigger name, being Canelo's brother and all....but wait...Salka beat him. I would consider him an even softer touch WHO IS HIGHER RANKED....wouldnt you?

Juan Diaz. Why he aint want it? Bigger name. Fought top opponents. Held multi titles. Betcha he didnt want it.

Here's a good one....Darleys Perez. Only lost to Gamboa. ON a 2 fight win streak since. Why not him. He is promoted by Gary Shaw. Easy match to make, if a nikka wanna get his ass whooped for $100k. Betcha he didnt want it either.

and those are just LWs. I can name many more LWs and JWWs.

I remember when I used to criticize Eddie Murphy growing up because I couldnt understand why he wasnt making that many movies. Even with Box Office hits early in his career he was only making 1-2 movies a year. I felt there was no way he should be doing less than 2 or 3 per year. Like nikkas told me though....this shyt aint as easy as you think it is.

Why didnt he fight Hank Lundy? Name recognition is there, he was available, he WANTS to fight Garcia, they have real life beef, and he's ranked #14 by the WBA


What's the excuse? I'll wait.

 

[krackdagawd]

much less the business of boxing. let the sonnings begin.

Here lies the problem, you aren't a promoter, you aren't a manager, you aren't a network executive, you're a fan.

It's great that fighters get paid well, I'm all for that but I'm not their accountant nikka, I'm a fan.

Dap + .....I agreed with the 1st 3 paragraphs, but dont be dissing the #BandCampCEO


My Client, Adrien Broner, is a 3x-3x-3x-3x-3x World Champion and is the ONLY one of Haymon's employers to tell him Im fighting who I want to fight. The rest of them nikkas is cowards for real

 

[Newzz]

Brag about "fighting who you wanna fight" get your ass beat from pillar to post N then fall back in line brehs

Take a showcase fight in your "hometown"....LOSE in the eyes of the majority watching the fight.....then duck the fighter for the rest of your career, instead of rematching him and proving you're really the man brehs

 

[surv2syn]

To me that stinks of why boxing's structure needs reform. The governing bodies and belts are a joke. The real way to success and getting your career where you want to be is through the right management/promoter. You don't even have to dig to see how shady that is and always has been.
Boxing also may be the toughest sport to reform and find a structure that works. So many hands are in from a promotion and management standpoint and people with powerful hands.
The fact that a fighter has to sign to the guy he wants to feed him and put in work to him, not the boxing game itself, creates no sense of competitive fairness or justifiable sense that we are being presented with the best boxing can offer.

Boxing is impossible to reform. Thats like salvation for the world thats going to hell in a handbasket yet has a church on every corner.
In boxing....you either get down or lay down. Swift didnt need Haymon to get to where he was. He was pretty much an unknown. Once he got the belts he signed with Haymon because he is the man making it happen. He is the man making the stars. He is your ticket in the Mayweather sweepstakes.
Boxing is fukked up. I used to be a hater. Always in the barbershop talkin shyt. Still am to a degree, but I dont get as worked up about it anymore because boxing has always been a business. Its just that since Muhammad Ali came in....its been more of a business than a sport. nikkas need to know.....the business of boxing is 10x worse than the music industry.

 

[Newzz]

Yall nikkas STILL making excuses for Subway Swift everyday I come in here


That fight is over with, let's move on

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Take a showcase fight in your "hometown"....LOSE in the eyes of the majority watching the fight.....then duck the fighter for the rest of your career, instead of rematching him and proving you're really the man brehs

You bringing up rematches again

Paulie & Ponce would like to have a word with you

Unbiased eyes...your boy Dan Rafael had it a draw plenty of nikkas had it a draw or one point either way

The sad part is Herrera would be top 3 W on Mr. I fight who I want resume N for #swiftset it was a homecoming

 

[surv2syn]

Why didnt he fight Hank Lundy? Name recognition is there, he was available, he WANTS to fight Garcia, they have real life beef, and he's ranked #14 by the WBA


What's the excuse? I'll wait.

I dont know. Ask Lundy. The nikka couldve priced himself out. See, when the network puts up the check....then you got that much to split. Mandos get 25% at purse bid. Lundy aint no mando so he would have to agree to less or Haymon tell him
Would Lundy agree to fight Danny on national tv for $100k while Danny get $1mil? I honestly dont know. Like I said, what did Lundy say?

 

[krackdagawd]

Brag about "fighting who you wanna fight" get your ass beat from pillar to post N then fall back in line brehs

Get paws put on you by a Mexican in Puerto Rico while you were falling in line the whole time

 

[surv2syn]

Yall nikkas STILL making excuses for Subway Swift everyday I come in here


That fight is over with, let's move on

really, I aint talkin bout Swift in particular. I am debatin with you nikkas saying fighters pick who they are gonna fight and if they dont wanna fight a dude they tell their management team

yall always say Floyd picking his opponents. aint that easy. Floyd can scope a nikka out...but then that dude has to be built up. Maidana was no where near the Mayweather radar til he beat Broner. yet had Broner won neither of them wouldve faced Floyd.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Boxing is impossible to reform. Thats like salvation for the world thats going to hell in a handbasket yet has a church on every corner.
In boxing....you either get down or lay down. Swift didnt need Haymon to get to where he was. He was pretty much an unknown. Once he got the belts he signed with Haymon because he is the man making it happen. He is the man making the stars. He is your ticket in the Mayweather sweepstakes.
Boxing is fukked up. I used to be a hater. Always in the barbershop talkin shyt. Still am to a degree, but I dont get as worked up about it anymore because boxing has always been a business. Its just that since Muhammad Ali came in....its been more of a business than a sport. nikkas need to know.....the business of boxing is 10x worse than the music industry.

Yeah, that is the problem. I can say it needs to be reformed because there are a lot of glaring weaknesses that are pretty much universally agreed upon...but in my mind it may be the hardest to actually do anything about and I don't have a clue how it would actually work.

Reality is it is different than the NBA and NFL because it is individuals. It can't be like Tennis or Golf, because those are tournaments involving the entire field of potential candidates over a short period of time, not possible in boxing. The fact that you have to have individual fighters sell fights that are a matchup between 2 guys, there will always be the fact that someone like Rios (popular) will be more visible and treated better than a less popular, yet more talented fighter like Rigo.
Looking at the UFC, White still schedules fights based on popularity and ratings.

Not sure there is a way to make boxing truly just. I love the sport and will continue to be a fan, but admit I am not a fan of the business side.