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[GREENandYELLOW]

To do the job of a manager and hammer out the best monetary deal possible for his client regardless of who he is fighting? That seems to be the most paramount responsibility of a manager instead of picking and choosing just who I am going to fight even against my expressed desires. Especially at the level of a Floyd and even a step below where Broner and Swift are right now.
Where Haymon is perceived as overstepping is that he is not doing the job of a manager but instead seems to be doing the job of a matchmaker and actually putting together fight cards usually made up of his clients fighting one another.

This. I understand a fighter cannot entirely determine who he fights and it is the manager's job to optimize all options for his fighter, however it seems pretty obvious Haymon is stepping in and making disgusting moves with his power.
If Haymon wants to get wins for his fighters and get them good purses, but not have too much trouble for your fighter, put them in against guys ranked 10-20 - maybe even 25. It will be an opponent that should be quality enough to get good work in and as long as the favored fighter puts in work in camp shouldn't have too much trouble on fight night. It won't create buzz like a top opponent matchup would, but no one really criticizes it because it is a get work fight.
Some of these matchups are downright embarrassing (it just hasn't been Salka)...but no one really believes the best you can do is the #77 SLW.

If a fighter really wants a matchup vs a top opponent, they will usually get it. Your management just has to know what you want and they'll go after it. The difference is, I don't think Haymon cares what his fighters want...he'll do what he wants.

Any of these top tiered guys we see on HBO/Showtime should be expected to fight 2-4 times a years (barring injury, family issues, etc...). 1 of those fights should be against a top tiered opponents, top 5 guy in the division, the rest should be guys in the top 25 or so.
For most divisions besides WW, which is incredibly deep, those networks really are showing the top few guys in each division or the best prospects in each division...what good does it do seeing these top 5 fighters fighting guys ranked so low? Nothing. I will give it to fighters that every fight can't be the absolute toughest fight or you will take years off your career, but at that point you have moved past fighting the lower class of opponents.

 

[King P]

So Hearn said he wants either Brandon Rios or Josesito Lopez for Brook in December.

@Jello Biafra exactly why I said I wasn't getting my hopes up. They're gonna take an easy fight and build up for a Khan fight next year.

Which sucks, because Brook actually call out Thurman. Oh well...

 

[theflyest]

I still don't think this string of ho-hum fights is Oscar's doing.
He allowed his cash cow to take a dangerous yet commercially unappealing fight against Erislandy Lara yet he is protecting dudes who he doesn't even have under contract to GBP?
Nah, Allah Haymon is responsible for this bullshyt we have been getting lately.

Oscar did not want the Lara fight. It was already set up while his ass was in rehab. There's interviews out there where he clearly stated that he hated that fight. There are reports that they got into it over the fight.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

So Hearn said he wants either Brandon Rios or Josesito Lopez for Brook in December.

@Jello Biafra exactly why I said I wasn't getting my hopes up. They're gonna take an easy fight and build up for a Khan fight next year.

Which sucks, because Brook actually call out Thurman. Oh well...

This one I actually understand. Brook doesn't have a name like the other guys at 147 and he can't take L's and expect to get quality fights or good money (in the US or on US networks). I would be interested to see what he has made in Great Britain.
Someone like Rios is tied in with the right promoters and networks and will continue to get opportunity and payday after opportunity and payday.
Another fight vs one of those guys very likely gets Brook on US TV and builds his interest. Even though I would be doubtful he would be a next opponent for Mayweather, that is a smart move because it keeps his chances of being champion and undefeated for the opportunity of Mayweather and if Khan gets passed over again by Floyd, then Khan's most financially attractive fight will be vs Brook.

Keith Thurman is still stuck waiting for the right opportunity. He is up and coming, but not quite the name or financial draw to be people's top choice.
#Thurminators time will come and when it does we will be ready.

 

[Big Boss]

Oscar did not want the Lara fight. It was already set up while his ass was in rehab. There's interviews out there where he clearly stated that he hated that fight. There are reports that they got into it over the fight.

Oscar said it on all access he didn't want that fight

 

[gho3st]

Rubio?

 

[surv2syn]

To do the job of a manager and hammer out the best monetary deal possible for his client regardless of who he is fighting? That seems to be the most paramount responsibility of a manager instead of picking and choosing just who I am going to fight even against my expressed desires. Especially at the level of a Floyd and even a step below where Broner and Swift are right now.
Where Haymon is perceived as overstepping is that he is not doing the job of a manager but instead seems to be doing the job of a matchmaker and actually putting together fight cards usually made up of his clients fighting one another.

breh...here is what you dont understand. manager, advisor, promoter, matchmaker, network, etc....ALL wear the same hats at one point or another in boxing. this aint Basketball or Football. whoever is the most influential will control the brunt of the power. right now that is God in the person of Allah Haymon. you heard nikkas....they thank Al before God.

Haymon is not overstepping jack if he is getting his clients in position instead of letting them play themselves out of position. Every fighter doesnt have an advisor. Every promoter doesnt use a house matchmaker. As far as his clients fighting one another....thats done all day...except its the promoters that usually do it. Like I said above though, it depends on where the power lies. Al has more power than the promoters right now. They not signing with GBP, they are signing with Haymon. He could be fukkin them for all we know...but thats the way it is when a nikka get on a roll.

Haymon is not gonna just stay in the lil box you want him to be in. Also, its much easier for him to hammer out the best monetary deals if he has control over who fights who. Why u nikkas just aint thinkin clear I dont know. Like Marlo said.....you want it to be one way....but its the OTHER WAY.

 

[krackdagawd]

remember when BHop fought Hakkar? he very well couldve turned that fight down. he said so himself. instead, he fought on a terrible HBO telecast in his hometown and didnt fill half the arena against a guy you havent heard from since. BHop said...."I am not in the business of giving up belts". Salka was not Swift's mando, but the principle is the same.

Look at this shyt We comparing an unranked nikka from a weight class below to a mandatory. The alphabets ain't even want their sanctioning fee for that trash of a fight and you are in here comparing to BHop/Hakkar?

Let's not complain about the shyt that Haymon/fighters are doing and when 2015 becomes the year of vanilla midgets I don't want to hear shyt from you nikkas.

I will still shyt on GGG...but only because of hype, not because of his opponents. Geale was no different than anybody else. There is a difference between legit opponent and a threat. I didnt have to watch that telecast to know Geale was gonna get KTFO.

Geale was a legit opponent and GGG stopping him the way he did shows that he is NOT hype.

Some of these matchups are downright embarrassing (it just hasn't been Salka)...but no one really believes the best you can do is the #77 SLW.

If a fighter really wants a matchup vs a top opponent, they will usually get it.

I believe this as well. That baffoon Broner was able to do it but when it comes to everyone else their hands are tied.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

So Hearn said he wants either Brandon Rios or Josesito Lopez for Brook in December.

@Jello Biafra exactly why I said I wasn't getting my hopes up. They're gonna take an easy fight and build up for a Khan fight next year.

Which sucks, because Brook actually call out Thurman. Oh well...

Phuck, oh well the few days of hope was cool after Oscar's tweet

 

[surv2syn]

This. I understand a fighter cannot entirely determine who he fights and it is the manager's job to optimize all options for his fighter, however it seems pretty obvious Haymon is stepping in and making disgusting moves with his power.
If Haymon wants to get wins for his fighters and get them good purses, but not have too much trouble for your fighter, put them in against guys ranked 10-20 - maybe even 25. It will be an opponent that should be quality enough to get good work in and as long as the favored fighter puts in work in camp shouldn't have too much trouble on fight night. It won't create buzz like a top opponent matchup would, but no one really criticizes it because it is a get work fight.
Some of these matchups are downright embarrassing (it just hasn't been Salka)...but no one really believes the best you can do is the #77 SLW.

I wouldnt say Haymon doesnt care what his fighters want. All fighters want one thing. MONEY. He is the man getting it now hence the reason he has a new signee EVERY WEEK! I cant remember, the nig that signed last week, but it was somebody good. Don King was like this once upon a time. IF you wanted a title shot, Don was the quickest way to it. He got Zab a shot at WW title in his first fight at the weight. Zab aint beat nobody but Rangel and Corley since he had lost to Tszyu. I got a million other examples...but Zab was gonna have to wait a long time or he was not gonna get a shot without signing.

There is a way around it. Fight your way up the rankings and become the mando. You know how long that takes? About 2 years depending on where you are starting and when the Mando is due. And you may have to fight like 6 fights.....who's to say you wont lose your 6th, then have to start all over again?

People have jobs because they are experts on what they do. Al is an expert. Fighters are welcome to voice their opinion to him but if he says that aint the way to go....then what do you do? Tell him you dont want to be signed to him anymore? Boxing management is a whole different animal than trying to get a basketball player the best deal because its an individual sport. You cant just go and play with Bron or Melo or some shyt. You gotta make calculated moves outside the ring because each fight leads up to the next.

 

[surv2syn]

Look at this shyt We comparing an unranked nikka from a weight class below to a mandatory. The alphabets ain't even want their sanctioning fee for that trash of a fight and you are in here comparing to BHop/Hakkar?

Let's not complain about the shyt that Haymon/fighters are doing and when 2015 becomes the year of vanilla midgets I don't want to hear shyt from you nikkas.



Geale was a legit opponent and GGG stopping him the way he did shows that he is NOT hype.




I believe this as well. That baffoon Broner was able to do it but when it comes to everyone else their hands are tied.

nikka.....name me someone Hakkar beat to become a mandatory? name me anyone Hakkar beat before or after BHop. and dont go to no fukkin boxrec....

I'll wait

 

[krackdagawd]

nikka.....name me someone Hakkar beat to become a mandatory? name me anyone Hakkar beat before or after BHop. and dont go to no fukkin boxrec....

I'll wait

You can't be this slow breh If he didn't fight him he had to give up his belts. DANNY HAD NO REASON TO FIGHT SALKA.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Rubio?

The 160 lb division is just cold and stagnant right now.

Playing the rankings game, what is GGG really supposed to do?
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- Cotto is looking at Andy Lee for December so he can matchup vs Canelo in May.
- Soliman just signed with Taylor (a fight GGG was rumored to be trying to possibly make).
- Quillin is on Showtime, so no go and scheduled to fight Korobov.
- Sergio is really damaged goods now. Looks like he will return to fight guys for money who probably aren't very good. Does anyone want to see this fight anymore?
- Sturm would be a good opponent. He did just lose to Soliman. HBO wants GGG to fight in the US, Sturm has never left Germany.
- Murray would be a good opponent. He still can't get a Visa to the US, so fight would have to take place outside.
- Korobov was in line to be a GGG opponent. He just signed to fight Quillin (as his mandatory, I believe. HBO wanted to build him up to create a GGG opponent, sounds like they weren't impressed after his last fight).
- Jacobs is at Showtime, no go. Jacobs vs. Quilliin would be a great fight.
- Lemieux, fought last at Showtime and promoted by Stevenson's promoter. Doubtful to schedule an HBO fight.

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- JCC, the contract was signed on the GGG side, but JCC is going through contractual issues with TR.
- Froch, haven't heard Froch call out GGG specifically. GGG said he would fight him. Seems like GGG is probably 3rd or 4th on Froch's list as he has more lucrative fights elsewhere. He still is attempting to negotiate vs. JCC on Jan 24th in Vegas.
- Ward, the controversial one. GGG has said he would fight him. Ward says he is ducking. Boxing columnists all seems to agree that signing a fight with Ward is near impossible due to his legal troubles. I don't doubt that Ward is GGG's most difficult opponent, but I can't criticize GGG in saying he has to make this fight, when it is an out of division fight and with a fighter who can't schedule a fight vs. any fighter, let alone GGG.

According to BoxRec, Rubio is the 12th ranked MW. Falls right into what most people feel is a worthy tune-up or a fight vs a decent opponent, but not a top tiered matchup. Evidence seems to point that there is no top-tiered matchup to even make.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Phuck, oh well the few days of hope was cool after Oscar's tweet

shyt, thurman gets left out In the cold, again!

 

[surv2syn]

The fukk you mean, who was the better opponent?? how bout the 967 nikkas ranked ahead of him coming from lightweight.. and all 967 of them nikkas would've killed to be in Salka's place that night for any amount of money to get a title shot on Showtime.. Swift had options to fight anyone on that date and accepted Salka as his opponent because ot was a soft touch.. What would Al or the network have done if the Lineal Ring140 champ chose to fight someone other than Salka?? Not a damn thing

so there wasnt a higher ranked soft touch out of those 967 nigggas? he just went for number 968?

u nikkas is str8 dumb. if Showtime approved the shyt then obviously they dont feel that way. but you know more than Showtime? bet u watched that shyt too, didnt u?

I'd like to know your list of approved names.

lemme just throw out lightweight names that are bigger....

Mickey Bey. he is not a top 10 ranked lightweight no matter what sanctioning body says he is. He aint gonna risk no title shot against an easier fighter at LW.

Ricardo Alvarez. just about as high as ranked as Salka with a bigger name, being Canelo's brother and all....but wait...Salka beat him. I would consider him an even softer touch WHO IS HIGHER RANKED....wouldnt you?

Juan Diaz. Why he aint want it? Bigger name. Fought top opponents. Held multi titles. Betcha he didnt want it.

Here's a good one....Darleys Perez. Only lost to Gamboa. ON a 2 fight win streak since. Why not him. He is promoted by Gary Shaw. Easy match to make, if a nikka wanna get his ass whooped for $100k. Betcha he didnt want it either.

and those are just LWs. I can name many more LWs and JWWs.

I remember when I used to criticize Eddie Murphy growing up because I couldnt understand why he wasnt making that many movies. Even with Box Office hits early in his career he was only making 1-2 movies a year. I felt there was no way he should be doing less than 2 or 3 per year. Like nikkas told me though....this shyt aint as easy as you think it is.